JimmyBoy
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Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
Hi
I'm relatively new to sonar x2 as I jumped on board in Septembers rounds of the sales marketing thing... If I knew X3 was coming out then I may have held off for a while longer...
Anyway, I'm finding far too many bugs in Studio X2a, I'm wondering what cakewalks policy is in relation to fixing X2a bugs - have X2a efforts been abandoned?
"What bugs?", you say,..
- Well if I change Playback and Recording Driver modes, for example MME to ASIO and back an exception occurs - this has been sent in but I've heard nothing of it and thinking its a known issue - when will this be fixed?
- Notebook sleep kicks in and causes unpredictability with playback device, sometimes changing settings and randomly choosing other devices, disabling others, check box visible while driver name listing disappears - is this a known issue or will this be fixed?
- Preference settings lost on next restart of notebook - gives me the impression that sonar doesn't shutdown cleanly hence again feel stability issues exist...
- Each time I start Sonar X2a there is always some settings I need to check before starting a new project, for any existing project I open I always need to again check preferences. There just hasn't been a time where I'm comfortable with the preferences.
- Weird playback/recording and latency issues...
Mind you I'm just starting out and not a heavy user of the product, and I'm finding all this!!!!??? I'm sure they'd be more - I would have thought X2 would need to be worked on further. I would have upgraded to X3 but I'm thinking is probably a lot more unstable as there is already X3b released and it's only been 1 or 2 weeks since RTM..
Will X2 continue to be updated, will there be X2b and so forth? When will support for X2 officially be dropped?
I'm tempted to try the trial version of X3 just so that I can check stability and user experience has improved but I would like to hold off on that too, until I hear that the product has matured enough to be more stable and a more consistent user experience.
Kind Regards
Jim
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 18:52:27
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It looks doubtful at this stage that x2 will be updated. I think you need to view x3 'as the update'. X2 was unusable for me.
Waiting is wise I think. I am keeping my eye on the forum to see how x3 settles in for others. So far so good. However, I have seen only one of the bugs I suffered has been fixed in the x3b update. But, others may be fixed too who knows.
Really really hope I can upgrade. X3 looks great.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 19:02:15
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We've been forgotten about. Left behind. I love my X2 producer. They should sell a patch for X2 to have the color change functionality. I already own Melodyne and a ton of plug ins, I really have no need to upgrade for another $149
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 19:08:10
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That's just the problem, I do view X3 as the update and hence forth feel disappointed that I need to pay for an update when I just recently purchased X2...
I thought prior to purchasing X2 that it was already stable and pretty much mature and user experience would have been pleasant and thrilling - but frankly I find it horrifying (I know just playing with words), but really my experience so far is that it has lots of bugs and has been one bad experience from another each time I do sit down and try and use it.
Maybe my expectation is just set too high ;/
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 21:49:52
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Perhaps you havent read many of the other posts but there definitely wont be any further updates to X2a.
In all of Sonars history, this is the first version where there has only been one update. Clearly Camewalk were at a.fork in the development road,
They chose to jump straight to a full new version. By and large X2a is at least as stable if not more so than X1d and addressed many of the issues that the X series uncovered.
When you buy software there is never a guarantee where you are in the development cycle. Sadly for some they will have only a.little use out of their purchase unless you keep your current version for 12 months before upgrading. Im an early adopter so while i get long use out of each version i alao have to deal with shaking out the early release bumps.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 21:51:35
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:19:14
There are no plans for SONAR X2b. I know that's not what you want to hear but I also don't want you to think we are ignoring you. SONAR X3b is the latest version of SONAR. I understand your point and we are working hard to try and make SONAR better for all customers.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/04 22:28:07
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You know, there was a time not too long ago I said to myself: "if X2a isn't fixed, I'm not upgrading". I work in industrial software and to be fair, a lot of the bugs in X2a didn't apply to me. The audio engine bogged down a bit on me on big projects but I always found a workaround. Just would have been nice to have it a bit more robust. That said, I waited to see early reviews of X3. I know this forum well, if there were issues they would be outed early. The first few reviews from some pretty critical guys here were positive so I bought the upgrade. Excellent!! Melodyne ARA implementation is wonderful. VST3 - awesome. Cakewalk presence on the forums - TOP NOTCH!! I don't miss X2 at all. Sure some won't spring for X3 for whatever reasons but to you I say: "Do". Cakewalk has obviously put the resources and effort into X3 at the expense of X2(b), but what an effort! This version of X has made making music fun for me again. Not that X2 didn't, but wow, just wow, the workflow enhancements and stability of X3. Well done, Cake, well done.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 03:32:00
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 2013/10/05 22:01:35
I really do not understand why some users want to stay at a specific version of Sonar and expect undated forever. It just does't make sense.
Sonar has a new version each year and if you want to be up to date you need to upgrade.
Imagine if Cakewalk had to keep everybody happy by having a team updating X2, X1, Sonar *, 7, 6, 5 etc.
For $149, you really can't get anything better.
Keep your selves from dining out a couple of times, or avoid the pub for a week, and save money for sonar x3.
Thats my 2 cents...
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 03:49:52
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It also has to do with the frequency of use I think. If you use it nearly every day to make money, 150 is really nothing to get ARA and the new comping tools. Not to mention it's a write-off. If you're a weekend warrior, 150 bucks is a lot to spend on your hobby if you just got X2 last month.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 04:14:26
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I agree in a way.
But Sonar is a pro tool. If you don't use it professionally, the little bugs should not affect you that much.
I like the fact that CW re-wrote the whole thing and gave us a much better product.
Since PE8 I am surprised by the quality of the upgrades.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 04:18:53
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Djoni - I'm not sure if your post is referring to users 'generally', or if you're referring to the OP. It would be unfair to assume he is who you describe. I think the OP has only very recently purchased x2 without knowing x3 was about to arrive. He's not been waiting for an update long. Upgrading for him would therfore be another expense he wasn't expecting so soon. Same applies to me in a way, although I've had x2 for longer. We're not just wanting to stay with x2 forever. The quicker I can move on from x2, the better! But the lack of updates for x2 has left many feeling burned and now cautious.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 04:36:50
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My apologies, but I am referring to the users in general (and not only from this post...)
And yes, JimmyBoy has got a point!
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 04:48:50
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JimmyBoy
Hi
I'm relatively new to sonar x2 as I jumped on board in Septembers rounds of the sales marketing thing... If I knew X3 was coming out then I may have held off for a while longer...
I agree that things that only fix what was broken in the last version should always be given seperately to those who bought that, but experience of Sonar (and I'm sure other software) shows that's never going to happen. It's wrong, but seems to be the way of things. You of course, did not have that experience, but usually when something is so heavily discounted it's a sure sign that a new version is imminent, so you may want to consider that for any future purchases. As a crumb of comfort, if I understand the upgrade pricing correctly, you are at least no worse off than if you had waited as the combined cost of buying X2 in sale plus X3 upgrade is the same as if you were now buying X3 from scratch.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:26:15
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I posted this in another thread but I think it also does belong in this thread too,...
Since I have had Sonar Studio X2 for as little as a month, I have had consistently run into problems with each time I use the product just gets me so frustrated - I would expect that at least there is some sort of warranty support period to get me up and running or I can return the serial numbers and get my money back - or if the fix is to upgrade to X3 Studio then I should at least get consideration to a discount. Its just wrong to expect new customers to deal with software that doesn't work well and it works better in a more recent released version while I only purchased the supposedly "old" software little than a month ago... Those that say "oh but in the Software industry, blah blah blah" I'm telling you your WRONG! Anyway I want to see what I can do to upgrade existing Sonar X2 Studio version to Sonar X3 studio, its the only way I'll remain loyal to this. So when I try contacting, I get this error:
Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found. Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly. Requested URL: /support/contact/csr.aspx
Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:4.0.30319; ASP.NET Version:4.0.30319.272 Not so happy :( Jim
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:34:14
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:21:26
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Hi
I'm relatively new to sonar x2 as I jumped on board in Septembers rounds of the sales marketing thing... If I knew X3 was coming out then I may have held off for a while longer... Welcome! JimmyBoy - Well if I change Playback and Recording Driver modes, for example MME to ASIO and back an exception occurs - this has been sent in but I've heard nothing of it and thinking its a known issue - when will this be fixed? Please list you sound card and system specs JimmyBoy - Notebook sleep kicks in and causes unpredictability with playback device, sometimes changing settings and randomly choosing other devices, disabling others, check box visible while driver name listing disappears - is this a known issue or will this be fixed? ALWAYS have sleep mode turned off, you can change this in your windows power management settings JimmyBoy- Preference settings lost on next restart of notebook - gives me the impression that sonar doesn't shutdown cleanly hence again feel stability issues exist... See above JimmyBoy - Each time I start Sonar X2a there is always some settings I need to check before starting a new project, for any existing project I open I always need to again check preferences. There just hasn't been a time where I'm comfortable with the preferences. What settings are "some settings" JimmyBoy - Weird playback/recording and latency issues... Until you list your system specs and sound card this will be impossible to troubleshoot. To be fair alot of the issues dont sound like bugs at all, they sound like a new User trying to establish Sonar working on a Laptop.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:40:31
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djoni
I really do not understand why some users want to stay at a specific version of Sonar and expect undated forever. It just does't make sense.
Sonar has a new version each year and if you want to be up to date you need to upgrade.
Imagine if Cakewalk had to keep everybody happy by having a team updating X2, X1, Sonar *, 7, 6, 5 etc.
For $149, you really can't get anything better.
Keep your selves from dining out a couple of times, or avoid the pub for a week, and save money for sonar x3.
Thats my 2 cents...
Hi djoni, I only purchased a product last month, it had Sonar X1 LE bundled and then decided to upgrade to Studio version X2, (all the facebook ads diverted my attention to it). So all up last month I may have spent (on my hobby mind you) around $400. (Her eis the breakdown - $200 for Scarlette 2i4 device and $149 for Sonar Studio X2 Upgrade, I also purchased a copy of Music Creator 6 touch ($49) for my other computer which is a touchsmart PC) and now I have to purchase another upgrade ($149) hoping that the issues I currently experience are resolved - man I should have purchased SOnar X3 Producer with the amount I invested already and may have been in the end a lot happier (but then again, the only thing that works well is the online store!!!).. Fair crack of the whip - I might bring this up with small claims or ACCC here in Australia to see what can be done if I don't get anywhere... Jim
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:44:15
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mmarton I don't miss X2 at all. Sure some won't spring for X3 for whatever reasons but to you I say: "Do". Cakewalk has obviously put the resources and effort into X3 at the expense of X2(b), but what an effort! This version of X has made making music fun for me again. Not that X2 didn't, but wow, just wow, the workflow enhancements and stability of X3. Well done, Cake, well done.
X2a was a mess to me (kind of death by a thousand needles effect) and I understand anyone wanting a patch for it, I much preferred X1d that was working very well. X3 however has been nothing but solid so far and I have to agree with quote above that music making is fun again, while in my case in X2 it wasn't. I think this is the best new version release the Bakers have had and it was a near perfect match for my needs and wants, even some I didn't know I needed or wanted. I would still however caution anyone to wait for and try the demo before parting with the cash. I had some special reasons to jump in early otherwise i would have done the same.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:50:53
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JimmyBoy
djoniI really do not understand why some users want to stay at a specific version of Sonar and expect undated forever. It just does't make sense. Sonar has a new version each year and if you want to be up to date you need to upgrade. Imagine if Cakewalk had to keep everybody happy by having a team updating X2, X1, Sonar *, 7, 6, 5 etc.For $149, you really can't get anything better.Keep your selves from dining out a couple of times, or avoid the pub for a week, and save money for sonar x3. Thats my 2 cents...
Hi djoni, I only purchased a product last month, it had Sonar X1 LE bundled and then decided to upgrade to Studio version X2, (all the facebook ads diverted my attention to it). So all up last month I may have spent (on my hobby mind you) around $400. (Her eis the breakdown - $200 for Scarlette 2i4 device and $149 for Sonar Studio X2 Upgrade, I also purchased a copy of Music Creator 6 touch ($49) for my other computer which is a touchsmart PC) and now I have to purchase another upgrade ($149) hoping that the issues I currently experience are resolved - man I should have purchased SOnar X3 Producer with the amount I invested already and may have been in the end a lot happier (but then again, the only thing that works well is the online store!!!).. Fair crack of the whip - I might bring this up with small claims or ACCC here in Australia to see what can be done if I don't get anywhere... Jim
People are trying to be helpful. Really the way you describe the various problems is very general and could well be user error or inexperience with this kind of software. Sonar X2a runs very well on most peoples computers. If you give us chance perhaps we can help you to. We're considered one of the most helpful online communities. So drop the threats as this is a peer to peer community that can help if you ask for it.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 05:54:36
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JimmyBoy
Hi
I'm relatively new to sonar x2 as I jumped on board in Septembers rounds of the sales marketing thing... If I knew X3 was coming out then I may have held off for a while longer...
Welcome!
JimmyBoy - Well if I change Playback and Recording Driver modes, for example MME to ASIO and back an exception occurs - this has been sent in but I've heard nothing of it and thinking its a known issue - when will this be fixed?
Please list you sound card and system specs
JimmyBoy - Notebook sleep kicks in and causes unpredictability with playback device, sometimes changing settings and randomly choosing other devices, disabling others, check box visible while driver name listing disappears - is this a known issue or will this be fixed?
ALWAYS have sleep mode turned off, you can change this in your windows power management settings
JimmyBoy- Preference settings lost on next restart of notebook - gives me the impression that sonar doesn't shutdown cleanly hence again feel stability issues exist...
See above
JimmyBoy - Each time I start Sonar X2a there is always some settings I need to check before starting a new project, for any existing project I open I always need to again check preferences. There just hasn't been a time where I'm comfortable with the preferences.
What settings are "some settings"
JimmyBoy - Weird playback/recording and latency issues...
Until you list your system specs and sound card this will be impossible to troubleshoot.
To be fair alot of the issues dont sound like bugs at all, they sound like a new User trying to establish Sonar working on a Laptop.
ok for your info,.. HP ENVY J005xt has installed Windows 8 Premium Home, 16GB ram, 2 x 1TB drives, IDT HD Audio Focusrite Scarlette 2i4 Samson G-track Samson Graphite 49 (Use it for controller mainly - but since so many problems have not used it much at all). Settings I am referring to are the "Preferences->Drivers" the audio IN/OUT drivers - sometimes they appear and sometimes they don't and then when they do, they are either unselected and I need to again select them again, they usually default to my Internal sound card when usually I use the scarlette - and then when I try record it doesn't record when I can listen to myself play and see the level is actually receiving sound - I can go on and on with the interesting fails I've been experiencing - the G-Track is a disaster imo - the scarlette is a little more consistent but still I have those idiotic issues - (don't ask me to list them as I have now uninstalled the lot and planning to re-install again soon)...
post edited by JimmyBoy - 2013/10/05 06:18:53
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 06:47:57
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Seems that we are stuck with a buggy X2a.. i spendt to mutch money
on this already, i demand a uppdate to X2b. I can not afford going for X3 when that also is bugged !
Seems to me money is more important, than satisfied customers and a stable daw
not changing versions like underwear, just saying.
Cakewalk: time to satisfy your customers for a stable DAW.
not just X3 but X2 as well.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 06:50:10
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markyznoJimmyBoyHi I'm relatively new to sonar x2 as I jumped on board in Septembers rounds of the sales marketing thing... If I knew X3 was coming out then I may have held off for a while longer... Welcome! JimmyBoy - Well if I change Playback and Recording Driver modes, for example MME to ASIO and back an exception occurs - this has been sent in but I've heard nothing of it and thinking its a known issue - when will this be fixed? Please list you sound card and system specs JimmyBoy - Notebook sleep kicks in and causes unpredictability with playback device, sometimes changing settings and randomly choosing other devices, disabling others, check box visible while driver name listing disappears - is this a known issue or will this be fixed? ALWAYS have sleep mode turned off, you can change this in your windows power management settings JimmyBoy- Preference settings lost on next restart of notebook - gives me the impression that sonar doesn't shutdown cleanly hence again feel stability issues exist... See above JimmyBoy - Each time I start Sonar X2a there is always some settings I need to check before starting a new project, for any existing project I open I always need to again check preferences. There just hasn't been a time where I'm comfortable with the preferences. What settings are "some settings" JimmyBoy - Weird playback/recording and latency issues... Until you list your system specs and sound card this will be impossible to troubleshoot. To be fair alot of the issues dont sound like bugs at all, they sound like a new User trying to establish Sonar working on a Laptop.
ok for your info,.. HP ENVY J005xt has installed Windows 8 Premium Home, 16GB ram, 2 x 1TB drives, IDT HD AudioFocusrite Scarlette 2i4Samson G-trackSamson Graphite 49 (Use it for controller mainly - but since so many problems have not used it much at all). Settings I am referring to are the "Preferences->Drivers" the audio IN/OUT drivers - sometimes they appear and sometimes they don't and then when they do, they are either unselected and I need to again select them again, they usually default to my Internal sound card when usually I use the scarlette - and then when I try record it doesn't record when I can listen to myself play and see the level is actually receiving sound - I can go on and on with the interesting fails I've been experiencing - the G-Track is a disaster imo - the scarlette is a little more consistent but still I have those idiotic issues - (don't ask me to list them as I have now uninstalled the lot and planning to re-install again soon)...
Is it possible your USB ports are not providing sufficient stable power? Do you get the same issues if you use a power adapter for your interface(s)?
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:21:42
Firstly, that sounds like a Windows issue with the drivers, its always good to disable any sound devices you arent using in Windows and then I tick the "Allow applications to take exclusive control of this device" and "Give exclusive mode applications priority" in the properties of your card in "Control Panel > Sound" Also worth checking in Sonar in Preferences is the "Share drivers with other programmes" tab under playback and recording. Your card will support ASIO so use that, I am not familair with the mixer on the Focusrite but you may have to do some tweak there with getting the right latency (other users here have that same card and would be willing to help) Playback buffer size in Sonar (under preferences, sync and cache) I usually have set to a reliable "256" for both options but dont play around with that until you have your card working. I honestly think that your woes are NOT Sonar related so I would advise not posting the threatening Small claims Court post on this forum, we understand that you are frustrated but you will soon find you'll upset alot of this friendly and helpful community if you persist down that route. My suggestion is this, reinstall your card, sort out Windows with the Card, then try some of my suggestions and then get back to us so we can assist further. 
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 07:00:09
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Soundblend
Seems that we are stuck with a buggy X2a.. i spendt to mutch money
on this already, i demand a uppdate to X2b. I can not afford going for X3 when that also is bugged !
Seems to me money is more important, than satisfied customers and a stable daw
not changing versions like underwear, just saying.
Cakewalk: time to satisfy your customers for a stable DAW.
not just X3 but X2 as well.
X2a was stable as anything for me, albeit A FEW crashes, as was X1 and X1d and X2 X3 is yet EVEN more stable. If Cakewalk ONLY cared about money then why have the Bakers been up on here recently givinf first class support, news and conversation with their online customer base?
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 07:47:21
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To the OP.. I read your list of bugs (lets call these system issues) and without also providing a list of potential causes and solutions.. I second this statement. markyzno
I honestly think that your woes are NOT Sonar related so I would advise not posting the threatening Small claims Court post on this forum, we understand that you are frustrated but you will soon find you'll upset alot of this friendly and helpful community if you persist down that route.
I understand that your are frustrated in not having your setup working, and also about the amount of money spent. You will note that Cakewalk in every new release offers an additional suite of plug-ins for free that is worth more than the cost of that upgrade. So, after you get X2 running, if you choose to upgrade or not, you cannot lose either way. I upgraded early to X3 as I needed the VST3 to integrate my studio equipment, and was very interested in the new comping feature as I have a number of recording sessions in the next two months... if you choose to wait for 6 months for sure the upgrade will be cheaper, but then you may get upset again when the next version comes out in Sept 2014 :D IMO there is nothing wrong with X2a that makes it unusable, buggy or unfit for purpose for home studio and professional recording, sequencing, mixing and mastering. best solution?.. be positive, use the friendly folks here to help get you up and running, then decide if and when you should upgrade...
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 07:50:55
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 2013/10/06 07:21:51
The issues you have listed seem more related to problems with the machine and your audio interface. When you have reinstalled come back and people will be willing to help you trouble shoot and so will support if you open an issue with them. I have used X2 to record lots of sessions and never seen the problems you describe.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 11:40:25
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markyzno
X2a was stable as anything for me, albeit A FEW crashes, as was X1 and X1d and X2
X3 is yet EVEN more stable.
If Cakewalk ONLY cared about money then why have the Bakers been up on here recently givinf first class support, news and conversation with their online customer base?
It's good that X3 is " more " stable For me X1b was ( way more ) stable than X2a I dont say that Cakewalk don't care, but it has not been to long time since X1 to X3. to me, it seems that changing to another version goes a bit too fast, when they should be sure that every version was ( rock solid stable ), even before the making of a new version. First of all, a stable and simple but yet powerful DAW, will get customer's to buy it also people will tell about how great the product is, and recommend it to a friend and so on it will continiue to get a good reputation, and that sell's. When a DAW consist of "many" bug's and they change versions often, and those new versions "also" got ( problems ) a bad reputation will start to spread around making people start thinking about switching to another DAW That will decrease the sale's of the product over time. A stable DAW is very important, that product get's a good reputation and even more and more will buy it, that way the company will earn way more, $$$$$$$$ it's all about Quality, not quantity.. Of course Cakewalk now has to be there for the customers to fix the broken stuff, to get credibility of they'r product again if not customers may start thinking to jump the boat and search for another ship to board. You will may ask why i did choose Cakewalk as a DAW ! The answer was quite simple: Cakewalk has always been an easy to navigate / use and set up, DAW
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 11:53:13
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☄ Helpfulby djoni 2013/10/06 04:03:07
As some members have pointed out, it's worth identifying that the issues outlined by the OP are configuration issues and not "bugs". An update to SONAR X2 or an upgrade to SONAR X3 will not address these issues because they are not issues with the application. Why are we all not focusing on that instead? If your computer goes to sleep, your PC is disabling power to connected devices. This is extremely common. If a device is not connected, SONAR can't enable drivers for it because the device is not there. As a result, you'll lose your settings. This isn't specific to SONAR, this happens with computers and music applications in all varieties. Proper configuration is a necessary step in all professional recording applications. One thing I personally always do on my production machines is to go into the Device Manager and disable power saving settings for USB ports and devices. JimmyBoy, definitely give the guys here on the forum a chance to assist and/or definitely give our Tech Support guys a ring if you get the chance. Contact info here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/contact/default.aspx We can definitely help you troubleshoot those types of symptoms. BTW, regarding the error on the website, it looks like a redirect was taken down. I'll fix that. Sorry for the confusion on that!
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 12:12:23
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/10/05 13:26:47
I see we got some more poverty shaming going on in this thread. That's not only offensive it has absolutely nothing to do with how Sonar functions so kindly cut that crap out. Some of us have already removed every possible luxury out of our lives to afford the tools of the trade and even if we hadn't expecting something you've paid good money for to work as advertised isn't exactly some kind of wild concept.
That said... OP definitely has other issues above and beyond the X2 wonkiness. You can't just toss a DAW (ANY DAW) on any old machine and expect it to work. Just like with resource intensive games or video production software you have to set the computer up to do what the program requires (that's what all those fancy settings in your OS are for).
Don't let your computer go to sleep. Save, close and shutdown if you are trying to conserve energy. If you are trying to run audio applications off battery power... well, IDK what to say to that. Seems like a bad idea.
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Re: Will there be any further x2 update fixes?
2013/10/05 12:13:28
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X3b is already available.
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