Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird

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2016/04/28 14:46:53 (permalink)

Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird

Does anyone know if the The Mackie Blackbird Firewire works with Win 10?   Also will my mother board (which claims to be thunderbolt ready) work for thunderbolt?  Or do I have to buy some kind of a card?

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 17:07:50 (permalink)
    Your motherboard requires the ASRock Thunderbolt 2 AIC (add in card) to provide Thunderbolt.
    The downside is that Microsoft isn't supporting "PCIe via Thunderbolt" with Thunderbolt 2 (only with Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C port).  Your Mackie Firewire unit should work fine under Win10.

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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 17:43:26 (permalink)
    Thanks Jim.  So I need a different motherboard to go thunderbolt.  Damn.   Oh well.  

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    Chipset : Intel Z97
    Intel i7 4790k
    32 gb Ballistix (crucial) 1600 DDR3 ram

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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 17:51:36 (permalink)
    So thunderbolt 2, as in this unit, (which doesn't work on the windows platform)http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Apollo8QBk  is not supported
    for windows?  At least not for any audio interfaces.  I guess I am a bit confused 
    on this whole thunderbolt thing.  I have been waiting for focustrite to issue windows drivers
    but that looks like it will never happen. LOL     Are the MOTU drivers only for Thunderbolt 3?
    Also; are usb 3 and Thunderbolt 3 one and the same?

    ASRock Z97 Pro 4 Motherboard
    Chipset : Intel Z97
    Intel i7 4790k
    32 gb Ballistix (crucial) 1600 DDR3 ram

    Corsair 330R case Corsair Rm750 ultra quiet power supply
    Win 10 64 bit

    Motu 1248 AVB
    Mackie Onyx Blackbird 16 x16 FW
    Sonar Platinum

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 17:54:41 (permalink)
    HighAndDry
    Thanks Jim.  So I need a different motherboard to go thunderbolt.  Damn.   Oh well.  



    If you want full "PCIe via Thunderbolt" support:
    • You've got to have one of the latest Z170x or X99p motherboards that offers Thunderbolt 3 via USB-C port
    • You have to be running Win10
    If you plan to run a Thunderbolt audio interface, you'll need a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter.
    There are several that are due out in May.
     
    Right now, there are no audio interfaces that have "PCIe via Thunderbolt" drivers for Windows.
    MOTU has announced these drivers for their AVB series... but they're not available (yet).

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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 18:16:43 (permalink)
    HighAndDry
    So thunderbolt 2, as in this unit, (which doesn't work on the windows platform)http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Apollo8QBk  is not supported
    for windows?  At least not for any audio interfaces.  I guess I am a bit confused 
    on this whole thunderbolt thing.  I have been waiting for focustrite to issue windows drivers
    but that looks like it will never happen. LOL     Are the MOTU drivers only for Thunderbolt 3?
    Also; are usb 3 and Thunderbolt 3 one and the same?



    It certainly can be confusing...  
    I'll try to clarify 
     
    The original Apollo can run connected to a PC via Firewire or Thunderbolt-2.
    When connected via Thunderbolt-2, the Apollo is using Firewire protocol over Thunderbolt.
    No different than connecting the unit via a Firewire controller
     
    Correct, the Apollo 8 (linked to above) does not have drivers for Windows... and thus can't be used on a Windows machine.
     
    Microsoft just officially added "PCIe via Thunderbolt" support under Win10.
    This yields performance similar to using a PCIe audio interface.
    Microsoft decided to skip ahead to Thunderbolt-3.
    You have to be running one of the absolute latest Z170x or X99p motherboards that offer Thunderbolt-3 via USB-C port... and you have to be running Win10.
    Microsoft claims "PCIe via Thunderbolt" support should be backward compatible With Thunderbolt-2 and Thunderbolt-1... but they don't guarantee it.
    With a USB-C to Thunderbolt adapter (connected to one of the mentioned motherboards), your Thunderbolt-2 audio interface should work (if the audio interface manufacturer has released the proper drivers).
    Right now, MOTU is the only company to officially announce Windows Thunderbolt (PCIe via Thunderbolt) support.
     
    USB-C gets confusing.
    USB-C was designed to be universal (can be used for Thunderbolt-3, USB-3.1, or USB-3)
     
    Hope that helps!
     
     

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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/28 23:59:10 (permalink)
    thank you so much Jim  you  are the best!!
     

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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/29 01:45:34 (permalink)
     I've got the same board.  I still run PCI cards.   There has been discussion about disadvantages of TBolt on Windows. TBolt is pricey and seems more Macentric.   Read some of the threads about USB 2.  It's got a lot of life left.

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    Re: Win 10, Thunderbolt, Mackie FW blackbird 2016/04/29 09:44:18 (permalink)
    The reason Thunderbolt comes across Mac-centric:
    There's no other means of accessing the PCIe bus on any current generation Mac.
     
    If you have a nice USB2 audio interface, there's no reason to stop using it.
    Thunderbolt will just bring the ability to achieve PCIe level performance in an external unit.
     

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