Win 10, V1803 Changes Default Audio Device

I didn't post this in the Computer section as its more general information.
 
I use my PC for both general use and for my home recording studio.  Prior to new Windows 10 V1803 (Spring Creators Upgrade)  I could have my recording interface connected (its an MOTU 896Mk3 Hybrid with ASIO) and also my regular PC audio (Realtek) and the PC Audio "Speakers" would remain as the default audio playback device.  Thus I could use the MOTU unit with Cakewalk and my studio monitor speakers and the PC audio/speakers with other audio devices.  I could do a mixdown and master the recording project In Sonar, then export it to a wav file on the PC.  I could then import that wav file to Goldwave (for example) audio editor program, play the wav file and it would playback on the PC audio/speakers and allow hearing how the wav file sounded on PC speakers (for comparison). 

Now, with V1803 it automatically makes the MOTU unit the default playback device (when its connected).  I have to manually change the default audio playback device to the PC Speakers when I want to hear how it sounds on the PC speakers.
 
Those that do what I do or similar should be aware of this change. 

I got an update to my DAW last night, but it is this one: May 8, 2018—KB4103727 (OS Build 16299.431), Applies to: Windows 10 version 1709.
 
Does that mean I am still going to get the Updates for Windows 10 version 1803? Oh shucks I bet it is...
 
I see that KB4103721 (OS Build 17134.48) Updates for Windows 10 version 1803 is still pending, When your device becomes eligible for the Windows 10 April 2018 Update...
 
Rats I thought it was over, woke up to a windows is configuring...100% complete. Then soon able to login which gave a total grey screen with small writing, "Personalized settings, not responding", eventually gave a windows didn't load correctly so restart, then bsod death, then restart and nearly 2 hours later (audio all gone, etc), able to  login. This was a fairly good response to a windows update, the worst was the autumn update which took over my pc for three days. My pc is now a few months old and is getting very sick of Microsoft.

I too have been having a bad go around with the last Microsoft update.
I still run Win 7 on my main DAW (Intel Based) , but have been using Win 10 on my AMD system.
Win 10 trashed my 250G SSD (please insert system disk moment) on my AMD, my backup drive went down as well after boot up and it tried to reboot due to the update
 
So I took my 3rd back up drive, it was fine until the same update, then again, another trashed SSD.
In my frustration I had 3 other older Win 7 (AMD) backup SSDs. They all worked fine on the AMD. All rebooted with no problems, all evening long and day 2 went well.
 
So I lost my 3 of my Win 10 AMD backups. I just so happened to have an older win 10 i7(intel) with a back up disk image. That booted up on my AMD so I tweaked some settings and moved on. I made 3 other disks image backups late last night, they all now boot up Win 10.
So, I don`t know yet if they too will get trashed once the update hits them.
 
On my win 7 (Intel based) PC , after a Win 7 update about 5 days ago, my MOTU Ultralite III interface only works in SPDIF in my Win7 environment?
Dang, all this extra down time gets frustrating!
 
I am being very cautious moving on, I am about to pull the internet plug on any DAWs I use.
Seems like anytime more than 15 minutes into using Win 10, here come those dang updates again. Even though I thought they were turned off. 
 I normally don`t complain, but 3 similar updates all trashing 3 of my backup boot disks on the AMD.
 
Last night my wife`s PC (i7 Intel), took multiple reboots to adjust windows settings with her machine.  (there were errors about "cannot find preferences settings"). We woke up this morning an noticed more additional re-boots were occurring.
 
This all sounds like it belongs in the computer forums, but this Win update seems so destructive. Beware - - -
 
 

speed is everything, i didn’t wait, sorry !

Jerry

I had to unplug my Focusrite and plug it back in.  That was all.

Two weeks ago I was happily running a dual boot system (Win 7 on one SSD, Win 10 Home on another SSD) but Win 7 for 99% of the time.
 
Then one of the 1709 Win 10 updates made the Win 7 SSD no longer boot  To cut a long story short no amount of fiddling with Boot files, BCD etc would bring the Win 7 SSD back to life so I have resigned myself to running with Win 10. To be clear I didn't lose any data as I have everything backed up, it's just the time spent getting Win 7 to where it was in terms of software and configurations etc.
 
After a lot of time doing software re-installation, re-authorisation etc Win 10 is now running most of my Audio Production software so the prospect of the 1803 update breaking it again is worrying. Still I am now keeping daily Acronis Trueimage backups of the Win 10 SSD but it does force you to do updates eventually.
 
I might even try a restore of a Win 7 backup I had to the other SSD once I have retrieved any recent files from it although Win 10 cannot access the drive so I have to boot into a Win 7 recovery environment to get to it. 
 

I have seen this behavior as well, but on an earlier W10 update. Maybe sometime back in January, I think.
 
That's when I noticed that the internal audio interface had been de-disabled, very surprising and likely a mistake on Microsoft's part. Even if the outboard interface had been turned off, it should still be acceptable to boot into Windows without any audio. My guess is some junior engineer couldn't imagine what use a computer might have without Pandora, but was subsequently overruled in the next build by someone more senior. Perhaps someone old enough to remember when computers didn't make any sound other than beeps, and yet were still somehow useful.
 
At that time, I simply re-disabled the integrated audio and have had no issues since, including this most recent update. Sounds like you never disabled the onboard audio so that you could use it as an alternate reference. Windows probably replaced some file that needed to guess your device, and guessed the first one on the list. This might not be an acceptable solution to you, but I think disabling the onboard audio would probably prevent this from happening again.
 
 

fireberd
ZincT.  If you haven't done it, disable Fast Startup in Win 10.  That can cause some of the Win 7 problems.  Many are still running dual boot systems, even with 1803 version and no problems.  
 
Here is the tutorial from the tenforums.com site
https://www.tenforums.com...rtup-windows-10-a.html

Thanks fireberd; I already disabled Fast Startup a while back.  I had been running the dual boot since early on when they were giving the Win 10 update for free. I thought I would get it while it was free, even though my intention was to carry on with Win 7 as long as possible.
 
It had been running fine for a long time until the 1709 update last year which caused the Win 7 build to auto run chkdsk on startup. After that it started OK but I made a mental note to disconnect the Win 7 SSD for future Win 10 updates (which of course I remembered too late for the update a couple of weeks ago). I might still try and reinstall Win 7 though so that I have something to fall back on if (when?) Win 10 updates itself into oblivion!

joakes
Yes, it hosed my Boss GT 100 set up (I uninstalled, re-installed drivers, plus Tone Central but the latter will not connect) and also, to a lesser degree, it hosed ExpressVPN (and even support are stumped here).
 
The resulting MS KB fix didn't do anything, but I have a theory - I think its limited to W10 Pro.
 
My laptop with W10 Home, updated perfectly and both the GT 100 and Express VPN work perfectly. Go figure !
 
If anyone has any tips, for the GT 100 they are more than welcome.
 
Cheers,
Jerry

LSCowles
Jerry,

Don't know if the problem with Boss Tone Studio has resolved. I lost the ability to connect to both the Gt 100 and GT1B tone studio after W10 1803 update. solved my problem. Basically, Settings>Privacy>App permissions>Microphone>TURN ON " Allow apps to access your microphone", you can turn off all the individual buttons, both of my tone studios reconnected immediately.

Hope this helps
LSC

KATANA - 50 / 100 / HEAD / ARTIST: CONNECTION ISSUE WINDOWS 10 UPDATE is the article I found.

Yes, i also found that solution on the net, applied it and it worked !

Cheers,
Jerry

ZincTrumpet

fireberd
ZincT.  If you haven't done it, disable Fast Startup in Win 10.  That can cause some of the Win 7 problems.  Many are still running dual boot systems, even with 1803 version and no problems.  
 
Here is the tutorial from the tenforums.com site
https://www.tenforums.com...rtup-windows-10-a.html

Thanks fireberd; I already disabled Fast Startup a while back.

Hey ZincT, just in case you didn't know the fast startup can be reset by a Windows update, even if you already turned it off in the past.  Worth checking again.