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2017/09/04 00:11:20 (permalink)

Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs

My on-line Internet computer's Win 10 Pro updated a couple of days ago.  Today I went to use my USB hub and it didn't work.  I checked all of my USB ports and they didn't work.  I went into the device manager and found out that the update turned on the power safer option in power management.  I had them all turned off, i.e. unchecked prior to the update.  Thus I had to uncheck that option in each of my USB hubs.  This may have been an anomaly but I thought that I should pass this info on in case anyone else has an USB problem.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2017/09/06 15:54:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2017/09/06 22:25:53
Some updates will cause power management to be re-enabled for USB root hubs.
After a major update, I'd check your privacy settings as well (background apps, etc)...

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2017/09/08 11:19:37 (permalink)
Thanks, Jim for the truth!..I knew ABOUT IT, and said so, and Got banned for doing it my way....And a lot of post taken down for saying it and warning people....Interesting eh?..But coming from you Jim, makes it true what I said?...ah...resetting settings for us, in good trust.?..How nice of MS to have such freedom to screw up peoples lives, or machines and use there of...Eh?..and keep them with their heads in boxes that do not do, what they were setup for, or said does do, or can be done with....How many liars made because of that and ULA violation of licence paid to use, under those terms said it works with...Eh?.....Perhaps to sell more Tech support tickets and remote viewings is the key to some pineapple Pillar to riches being taught the new born? ...Not be totally out of the spying eyes grip, or hold over in no trust, to need to spy on all users of, but ask we trust them, not being trustworthy to let setups be left as is, so roll backs and such need not be mandated....Oh they do sometimes make a roll back when installing new updates....But if it burns out the machine....What good is that?......lol...
 
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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2017/09/08 13:57:32 (permalink)
I have the Windows Insider advanced versions.  A new version always resets (enables) Fast Start. It doesn't touch my "High Performance" power plan or the "Power and Sleep" settings.  I haven't noticed anything else, although with the Insider versions other than disabling fast start and the power plan I mentioned I don't do much customizing.  It should be noted the Insider versions are not getting full "new Windows OS" with the updates, its using the new Microsoft update procedure that only downloads what needs updating, not the entire OS.  
 
Updates such as the "Creator's Upgrade" basically installed a new Windows 10 and some customization will be lost.   Be prepared for it again in Oct (17th) when the "Fall Creator's Upgrade" is released.  But this next upgrade will not be a whole new Windows, it will use the new Microsoft procedure that only upgrades what it needs to, not everything.  This also shortens the downloaded file size (and the resultant speed up of the download and actual time for the PC to do the upgrade).
 
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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/25 22:44:18 (permalink)
Since the last Win10 'update' to 1709 I had been having intermittent non-functioning of my installed USB hubs on my desktop.  Sometimes the iLok would be there, most times not.  It almost seemed that the hubs themselves were malfunctioning, or perhaps even the PCIe slots on the motherboard werent funcitoning.  I turned off the Power Management option on all of them, but that didn't help.  Then  I found a thread stating that the 'Fast Start' option on Win10 would sometimes interfere with the USB ports being activated.  Sure enough when I went in and disabled the 'Fast Start,' all of the hubs were recognized and working as expected.  Here is how to find the 'Fast Start' as the Win 10 search couldn't find it:
 
Disable/Enable quick boot Windows 10
1 Type Control Panel in the search box.
2 Click Control Panel.
3 Type Power Options.
4 Click Choose what the power buttons do.
5 Click Change settings that are currently unavailable.
6 Scroll down to Shutdown settings and uncheck Turn on fast startup.
Click Save changes.
 
 

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/26 12:34:47 (permalink)
If Fast Start is enabled, Win10 uses a Hybernate File to boot faster.
That can cause a multitude of issues (especially if you're dual-booting).

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/26 14:33:34 (permalink)
I always just disable hibernate.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/28 16:53:43 (permalink)
I disable Hibernate as well...
If Fast Start is enabled, Win10 will use a Hibernate File... without your knowledge/input.  
Seen it cause bizarre symptoms in a dual-boot scenario.  Data disappearing, etc.
 

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/28 17:09:34 (permalink)
I am still learning Win10 and not gone through all the settings yet. I need to disable my Fast Start for sure.

Is there a good resource anyone knows of to check in Win10 for DAW use?

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/28 18:35:08 (permalink)
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I am still learning Win10 and not gone through all the settings yet. I need to disable my Fast Start for sure.

Is there a good resource anyone knows of to check in Win10 for DAW use?

 
This is a good place to start >>> https://www.sweetwater.co...-guide-for-windows-10/
 
Here's another one I ran across.  Haven't studied it in-depth yet, but looks good >>> https://confluence.mergin...#content/view/17203497

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/28 20:15:56 (permalink)
I can definitely confirm that all the internal USB hubs 3.1 and 2, and ALL my USB gear are working nicely since turning off the 'Fast Start' and hibernate in WIN10.  Microsoft should think about renaming that function 'Fast, but not so great, you'll think you're going crazy, Start.'
 
I have found that
 http://www.blackviper.com/
 
has some good suggestion to turning some other functions off.  It appears it was most recently updated last week, so I should also go through it to see if there are other suggestions he has made since I reviewed it about 6 weeks ago.  I will need to see if he mentions the 'fast start' issue on his web site.  I wasn't looking closely for that before.     
 

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/03/29 04:35:49 (permalink)
Thank all. I actually loaded ASIO4ALL for the first time in a long time, but am getting issues where those drivers will not release to allow the Saffire to run. I just disabled Fast Start and rebooted and the Saffire came online as expected, but have not tried shifting between them very much at this point.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/02 23:31:20 (permalink)
My desktop music computer updated to WIN10, version 1803 today.  Then everything started acting a bit screwy.  CbB crashed 3 times, a control surface wasn't reported, and several other USB hub issues noticed including the power options to turn off USB hubs had been reactivated.  Plus terrible drop outs on a simple project that worked just fine before.  Then I noticed that the 'hybernation' option and the 'fast, but stupid, startup' options had been reinitialized.  Those are not compatible with my machine.  So I turn those off, and things are closer back to normal. 
 
So if you allow updates to WIN10 be aware that an update may or may not change a number of these settings.  Or perhaps in my sleep I changed all this, just to get one more post!  

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/03 09:28:39 (permalink)
Some privacy settings will change, Fast Startup will be re-enabled, power-management for USB hubs can be re-enabled, etc.  After a significant update, you'll want to check those things.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/03 12:56:48 (permalink)
The major Windows "upgrades" such as the latest Spring Creator's Upgrade (V1803) resets most to like it was a new Windows installation.  Thus you have to reset most customized items such as the Fast Startup.  
 
You will have to reauthorize some plug-ins, too, as they think its a new PC or OS.   I had to do that on Melodyne as it thought I had installed it on too many computers (the same computer was listed twice in the authorizations) when it has only ever been installed on one.  With Melodyne, I had to have their support reset my account so I could reauthorize it for my Win 10. after the latest creators upgrade.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/03 22:51:25 (permalink)
I am getting pretty fed up with Windows 10 borking with my machine.  Two days ago, it was the SECOND time a Win10 update changed my BIOS settings. Don't ask me how, but it did...again.  My SSD Win10 drive was missing from the boot options despite it always being connected to the SATA1 port. Fortunately, having been through this before, I immediately knew what to do after my computer failed to restart (i.e. no boot drive). I reinstalled the BIOS from a USB drive, and viola, the computer works again!
 
And just now, yet another Win update and I constantly have to reset my audio settings from Windows' default of 96000Hz back to 44100Hz!

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/04 10:13:48 (permalink)
I've never heard of a Windows update changing the BIOS settings, and I do PC support.
 

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/04 10:27:05 (permalink)
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I've never heard of a Windows update changing the BIOS settings, and I do PC support.

 
It's been reported by a few in other forums and support sites around the web, though it's not common. I think the issue is caused by the fact that BIOS's are more plug-n-play than they were before. I have no other explanation for it, but it indeed has happened twice to me so far (same motherboard though).
 

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/05 02:32:26 (permalink)
File sharing is broken again.  Even mapped drives did not work. This has been common in W10. They need to can developers who can't get this right.  Never had issues with W7.  I noticed the also removed Computer browser in Services which has to be installed again. (didn't work) I reverted back to previous version and everything works again.
 
http://www.infopackets.com/news/10330/how-fix-win10-april-update-rdp-mapped-drives-broken
 
The solutions here was not something I would be willing to try since some where a rocket science to me.
 
I'd like to meet those developers responsible and punch them in the nuts.

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Re: Win 10 update messed up my USB hubs 2018/05/05 07:18:34 (permalink)
They completely got rid of homegroup this time around. Luckily, it doesn't seem to have broken my shared folders (yet that I can tell). The way Windows has always handled file/folder sharing has been so ass backwards and a pain to deal with.
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