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2018/01/08 19:08:16 (permalink)

Win 1709 Killed my Sonar


Win 1709 has killed my Sonar too - i get "mfc140u.dll missing, VCRUNTIME140.dll missing , CONCRT140.dll missing". I don't have a steinberg driver. I "updated" Windows to 1709 on 28th December, then tried to load Sonar only today after my holiday.
I tried to uninstall the update, but discovered it had deleted the old files (hah- Microsoft didn't tell me that when I "upgraded") - AND it doesn't recognize the Restore files that I used to make religiously so I can't do a hard drive image restore. Why do these people come up with these ideas? I can either re-install Sonar or use the system restore disc from the previous version of Win 10 - what would be the better option?
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(I got the following reply from CakeAlexSHere)  .........

Your issue is completely different I would create a brand new thread as you risk hijacking the OP's thread.
Anyway these are missing Visual C runtime libraries, generally the first thing to do here is run Windows Update several times. Otherwise a Sonar reinstall might handle it, worst case scenario is to download the libraries from MS and install.
 
 
SO I Started a new post.   I tried running Windows update and it kept telling me I had the latest version installed.   So I tried running a new install of Sonar -   I get error message "unable to register DLL/OCX:RegSvr32 failed with exit code 0x3"..... help!!! 
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 19:12:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby graemesp@hotmail.com 2018/01/09 11:41:52
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 20:05:27 (permalink)
Go back to Windows 7. Stop this nonsense.

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 20:11:10 (permalink)
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Go back to Windows 7. Stop this nonsense.


Hahaha!
Window 7 suffers far more from C++ libraries out of date because people don't bother fully keeping it fully up to date. This issue is far rarer under Windows 10. If I had a tenner every time I've seen this under Windows 7.

Regardless this is simply an issue with the programming libraries being out of date. One day windows 7 users will run out of support for these sort of issues.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 21:48:03 (permalink)
I was referring to the forced updates. Either go back to Windows 7 with a stable working version of the Sonar of your choice, and do security-only updates. Or just keep it offline. Or, stay with Windows 10, but disable automatic updating. Or, again, just keep it offline. Your operating system should not break your software. If it does, do something about it. Take control of your computer.

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 22:08:49 (permalink)

Windows 10 64bit fully patched, 16 gig ram . 
PCR-800 Controller.  (Working in Win 10 1809 64bit)
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 22:08:49 (permalink)

Windows 10 64bit fully patched, 16 gig ram . 
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 22:11:25 (permalink)
^^ Please DO NOT use these installers. They are not from Microsoft's site and could be dodgy (Major Geeks). EDIT - In fact this is a heavily bast*rdised installer and NOT original MS. Avoid!

Please use the installers on Microsoft's website (this is all Microsoft software and the original source) these are linked to on my first post via the knowledge base article(as I said) and here is the direct link via MS website:

https://www.microsoft.com.../details.aspx?id=48145
post edited by CakeAlexSHere - 2018/01/08 22:57:19
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 22:14:44 (permalink)
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I was referring to the forced updates. Either go back to Windows 7 with a stable working version of the Sonar of your choice, and do security-only updates. Or just keep it offline. Or, stay with Windows 10, but disable automatic updating. Or, again, just keep it offline. Your operating system should not break your software. If it does, do something about it. Take control of your computer.


This is absolutely nothing to do with the OP's missing C++ libraries issue. Actually in this instance the OP needs to update, the problem is the opposite, his software is too old and not the operating system.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 23:36:25 (permalink)
YA I'm not sure why Promidi is always posting these links to crap installers. 
And myself I find those libraries will automatically update when needed by software. 
Did he OP mention which version of Sonar he is using? 
I cannot follow this one at all.. 

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/08 23:39:39 (permalink)
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YA I'm not sure why Promidi is always posting these links to crap installers. 
And myself I find those libraries will automatically update when needed by software. 
Did he OP mention which version of Sonar he is using? 
I cannot follow this one at all.. 



Windows 1709 is a sub version number of Windows 10.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 00:38:46 (permalink)
I've stayed on 1703 for almost 2 months now.  When I allowed updates once I was then faced with the perpetual "Installing..." problem where launching anything launched an installer.  No more updates for me.  1703 is very good with Sonar by the way.
 
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Windows 1709 is a sub version number of Windows 10.

 
1703 and 1709 are version numbers.  Windows 10 is the edition number.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 01:13:06 (permalink)
Yeah I've been on 1703 for a while as I'm on Windows update for business path (Windows Pro), I'll let others do the "beta" testing and Microsoft will deploy later versions to me when they are ready :).
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 02:52:02 (permalink)
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Did he OP mention which version of Sonar he is using? 
 



Some reason I misread this, anyway no he didn't but solution is in the second post anyway regardless.
But yeah now I'm curious.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 05:05:58 (permalink)
Ya I'm aware of what 1709 is and not in a good way :) 
Nothing but problems. I had zero issues all last year up until this update, Now I have crashes. 
So far my W 8.1 DAW has not crashed. But now I'm having my Bios keeps telling me it has re set? I never changed it?? I think I failed building this one. Time for a better MoBo. 
Say what you will my 2 W 7 laptops run perfectly. 
 
Question, Could we perpetually keep rolling back to 1703 forever??

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 11:44:53 (permalink)
I downloaded the vc_redistx.x86.exe thing , uninstalled the old version and installed the new. Woo Hoo!  - sorted!!!
 
 
CakeAlexSHere
OK so try this which also gives a link to the Visual C++ libraries:
 

 

 
Thanks CakeAlex - your assistance much appreciated. 
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 14:27:00 (permalink)
^ That's the 32 bit version
vc_redist.x64.exe is the 64 bit version.

Anyway glad it is working.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/09 20:06:09 (permalink)
1709 work just peachy for me.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/10 17:25:46 (permalink)
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Go back to Windows 7. Stop this nonsense.


Hahaha!
Window 7 suffers far more from C++ libraries out of date because people don't bother fully keeping it fully up to date. This issue is far rarer under Windows 10. If I had a tenner every time I've seen this under Windows 7.

Regardless this is simply an issue with the programming libraries being out of date. One day windows 7 users will run out of support for these sort of issues.



I'm running on Win7 pro and only allowed 1 update after installing the OS and updates are permanently off.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/10 21:04:01 (permalink)
It's bullet proof assuming you are no longer installing software of any kind, not patches, nor updates and you are disconnected from the internet completely forever. Otherwise your new software is going to get out of sync with the dependencies (DLL's) it needs eventually.
 
For the rest of us who want to run the latest software that need the latest programming libraries there is Windows 10 Pro on current branch for business... and yes have a backup strategy (I use Acronis TrueImage).
https://www.howtogeek.com/286658/how-to-change-how-long-updates-are-deferred-in-windows-10/
 
Never had a problem either.
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/10 23:40:14 (permalink)
I have Win 10 Pro 1709 with ALL updates and NO problems.  Sonar (and Studio One 3) run perfectly.  I also have the advanced Windows Insider version and NO problems on it either. 
 
I have no "tweaks" to Win 10.  I do have power plan set for Performance but I don't consider that a "tweak".
 
 

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/11 23:42:47 (permalink)
Man I had a long break in October last year so I made a clone of my hard drive . Looks like I will be keeping this clone forever now as it’s the perfect version for the second last update of sonar. I am really lucky to have done this as i can quickly roll back using Samsung NvME clone disk. Better to be keep a version of Windows that sonar loves I guess.

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/12 00:26:30 (permalink)
I wasn't clear in my last thread, but I do believe my Sonar crashes are not actually Sonar's fault. It's W10 messing with my system and makes it unstable again. I did build the box myself so take full blame for this. I'm finding out that my Mobo , which is a Gigabyte GA 97x Soc is an overclocking gaming MoBo and was probably a bad choice for a DAW. The bios is unstable and I'm reluctant to flash it. Anyhow. It really hates W10 and seems better on W 8.1. 
I still get crashes on my W10 HP store bought box but it's always on line so I think that's another issue. 

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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/12 01:58:41 (permalink)
I am still running Win 10 1703, so I will wait a bit longer before upgrading to FCU 1709...

DAW: CbB; Sonar Platinum, and others ... 
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Re: Win 1709 Killed my Sonar 2018/01/12 03:45:49 (permalink)
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I wasn't clear in my last thread, but I do believe my Sonar crashes are not actually Sonar's fault. It's W10 messing with my system and makes it unstable again. I did build the box myself so take full blame for this. I'm finding out that my Mobo , which is a Gigabyte GA 97x Soc is an overclocking gaming MoBo and was probably a bad choice for a DAW. The bios is unstable and I'm reluctant to flash it. Anyhow. It really hates W10 and seems better on W 8.1. 
I still get crashes on my W10 HP store bought box but it's always on line so I think that's another issue. 


Win10 stable as a rock for me Looks like you may already have an idea what it is. I assume you've updated drivers and firmware everywhere, visited Nvidia or AMD for drivers, been to Intel driver update site? Anyway not sure overclocking is a great idea for DAW PC's unless you need to play the latest version of Doom on it :)

Can't you flash the BIOS on these motherboards with any version you like?
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