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2016/11/25 03:33:28 (permalink)

Win 7 update problem. Genius needed!

Hi. I have problems updating my Windows 7. I tried to use the automatic and the manual modes, but Windows never finds anything. It just keeps on looking for updates. I used the automatic update fixing software that Microsoft has made but it does not solve the problem even though it sometimes says that it has fixed all the problems including the update problem and a registry problem. It would be really nice if someone could help me. As a reward I can only give a million thanks.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/25 09:02:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robert_e_bone 2016/11/25 22:23:34
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Hi. I have problems updating my Windows 7. I tried to use the automatic and the manual modes, but Windows never finds anything. It just keeps on looking for updates. I used the automatic update fixing software that Microsoft has made but it does not solve the problem even though it sometimes says that it has fixed all the problems including the update problem and a registry problem. It would be really nice if someone could help me. As a reward I can only give a million thanks.



 
It's all about KB 3172605.
 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3136677/microsoft-windows/how-to-speed-up-windows-7-update-scans-forever.html
 
Install this patch and your update problems should be solved.
 
You can always leave automatic updates enabled, unhide any hidden patches, and hope Windows update eventually gets this one applied.  Or you can jump right on it
 
Edit 11/27: Updated the link to one that works ... article dated Nov 4, 2016
post edited by abacab - 2016/11/27 09:58:04

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/25 11:30:28 (permalink)
I've had the same most vexing issue on my pcs. It sends my family pc into a tither at 50% cpu endlessly.
 
I've tried all the homegrown stuff I know as a former techie, including what you have astutely described as your attempts.
 
What has worked, I set the automatic updates to let Microsoft rule over my machines and household (in other words download and install everything at 3AM without my permission), I turn my head and cough and Walk Away, Joe Walsh style.
 
To my surprise, I get downloads in the afternoon, and the install by the next morning.
 
If I revert my settings, endless downloading and 50% cpu.
 
So I go with the flow and Let It Be.
 
It works for me...
 
 

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/25 12:57:01 (permalink)
In a worst case scenario, you can download an iso of an up to date version from Microsoft and do a repair installation on your current version. 
 
https://www.microsoft.com...ware-download/windows7
 
http://www.pcgamer.com/ho...-without-reformatting/
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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/25 13:54:30 (permalink)
I had this problem back in September after performing a fresh install of W7 on a Laptop a friend grave me that had come with W8.0 
It was his daughters and she had made a huge mess of it.. it would not even boot, turned out the HD ( 900GB) was crammed full of downloads to the point the OS couldn't even open. 
The restore utility could not run because of this. I had to pull the drive and format in another machine. 
I tried to use the W8.0 licence with my 8.1 disk but 8.0 and 8.1 use different serials. So I grabbed my trusty W7 disk and managed a clean install. It's long in the tooth so it needs a tonne of updating. 
It would just sit and go round and round for hours and then say it couldn't update because of server errors? 
 
I went on a computer nerd forum ( NCIX)  and everyone was ranting about how MS was putting a throttle on the W7 updates bandwidth to make life miserable for those turning there nose up at W10. True or not it sort of seemed this way. They all claimed, as above, that the only solution was to set it on automatic and leave it alone for a few days.. This is what worked for me in the end. I think it took 5 days. 
 
I just recently inherited my mother in laws HP desktop. It is an impressive i7 quad core. sandybridge. 10 GB ram.. It came with W7 Home and a  1TB 7200 HD. The whole family has been messing with it for 4 years so I thought best to slap a SSD drive in it and re build. 
I used my same old trusty W7 Ultimate disk again but this time the updated ran smoothly right away and within less than a day it was 100% good to go. 
So possibly this is something at MS servers and there's a limitation on the bandwidth. 
Now that everything is a download you can see this happening... And just think of the crazy bandwidth that W10 update is using alone. 
 
 

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/26 02:14:16 (permalink)
A trillion thanks to everybody who helped and advised. I will try these fixes when I get back home. I hope the tips help.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/27 06:32:12 (permalink)
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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/27 10:05:40 (permalink)
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It's all about KB 3172605.
 
http://www.infoworld.com/...ate-scans-forever.html
 
Install this patch and your update problems should be solved.



Sorry, the link is a dead end.
 
Go here: http://www.infoworld.com/article/3099109/microsoft-windows/microsoft-yanks-buggy-speed-up-patch-kb-3161608-replaces-it-with-kb-3172605-and-3172614.html
 
Or: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172605




Sorry, apparently some Infoworld editors must have moved the article around.  Here it is:
 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3136677/microsoft-windows/how-to-speed-up-windows-7-update-scans-forever.html
 
I corrected the link in my earlier post to the newer Infoworld article above. 
 
The article you link to is an older one, published back in July.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/11/28 02:02:39 (permalink)
Thanks again guys!

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/01 05:01:09 (permalink)
Great! I just tried the Infoworld's tip and it erased the update problem. Thanks again:)

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/01 08:52:26 (permalink)
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Great! I just tried the Infoworld's tip and it erased the update problem. Thanks again:)



+1
 
Glad to hear you got it sorted!

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/06 13:46:34 (permalink)
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kakku
Great! I just tried the Infoworld's tip and it erased the update problem. Thanks again:)



+1
 
Glad to hear you got it sorted!

Thanks. I looked for solutions for my problem but I could not find one that would have solved it.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 08:43:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/12/07 08:58:52
If you install Win7 (at this point in time)... and go to check for updates, it can literally take ~12 hours for Windows updates to appear.  This was not the case in the past, and I'm guessing it's not complete happen-stance.
MS is trying to influence folks to move to Win10.
 
Installing the hotfixes manually will allow you to work around the issue.
The update process functions normal after doing so...
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).
 
 

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 08:58:48 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).
 




^^^this
 
which also prompts me to check if they have a patched/updated/slipstreamed version available, save all the hoo-ha

just a sec

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 09:19:11 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
If you install Win7 (at this point in time)... and go to check for updates, it can literally take ~12 hours for Windows updates to appear.  This was not the case in the past, and I'm guessing it's not complete happen-stance.
MS is trying to influence folks to move to Win10.
 
Installing the hotfixes manually will allow you to work around the issue.
The update process functions normal after doing so...
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).
 
 

Thanks for the tips. I will try to make a image of the current fully working state of Windows. I only need to find a good piece software for that.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 09:20:33 (permalink)
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Jim Roseberry
If you install Win7 (at this point in time)... and go to check for updates, it can literally take ~12 hours for Windows updates to appear.  This was not the case in the past, and I'm guessing it's not complete happen-stance.
MS is trying to influence folks to move to Win10.
 
Installing the hotfixes manually will allow you to work around the issue.
The update process functions normal after doing so...
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).
 
 

Thanks for the tips. I will try to make a image of the current fully working state of Windows. I only need to find a good piece software for that.



Macrium Reflect Free will do the job.
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx
 
Just offering a solution here.  Others will probably suggest their favorites.  But this one is dependable, popular, with user friendly instructions, and automatically builds the recovery environment with the drivers that you need to restore your system with.
 
It's not a backup plan if you are unable to restore the image

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 09:31:24 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
If you install Win7 (at this point in time)... and go to check for updates, it can literally take ~12 hours for Windows updates to appear.  This was not the case in the past, and I'm guessing it's not complete happen-stance.
MS is trying to influence folks to move to Win10.
 
Installing the hotfixes manually will allow you to work around the issue.
The update process functions normal after doing so...
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).

 
+1
 
Making an image afterwards is the best advice. 
 
Also make sure you have the Win 7 SP-1 DVD to install from initially, or it can be extra painful to update with the service pack first, then all of the years accumulation of updates on top of that.
 
Restoring from a clean image actually takes very little time, depending on your setup as far as disk throughput and size of the image.  Unfortunately if you make major hardware swaps, such as MB & CPU, you may still need to clean install...
 
I just did a clean install recently on my Win 7 machine, and imaged afterwards, because I don't wish to repeat that process any time soon!  This is really handy in case the OS gets borked and you just want to start fresh (the same day).

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/07 11:34:31 (permalink)
pwalpwal
 
which also prompts me to check if they have a patched/updated/slipstreamed version available, save all the hoo-ha



Not quite, but you can download the "convenience update" which includes all updates up to April 2016 to speed things up a bit.
 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3125574
 
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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 08:45:55 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
If you install Win7 (at this point in time)... and go to check for updates, it can literally take ~12 hours for Windows updates to appear.  This was not the case in the past, and I'm guessing it's not complete happen-stance.
MS is trying to influence folks to move to Win10.
 
Installing the hotfixes manually will allow you to work around the issue.
The update process functions normal after doing so...
 
Once Win7 is fully up-to-date, make sure to create a backup image file (prior to installing any software or additional hardware).  This will allow you to quickly reinstall a clean Win7 (including all updates).
 
 


I just dealt with the same problem on a clean install of Windows 8.1.  The first 850 megs or so of updates went smoothly.  Then it would just be "Checking for Updates" forever.  I eventually got it to work by manually installing one of the updates and then running the "Windows Update Troubleshooter" but it took a while to figure out.  It showed 206 updates were required at 1.2GB!  After that, now everything is working smoothly.
 
There's a lot of advice online on how to handle this problem so be careful.
 
My advice would be:
1) After the clean install, let Windows have a few hours to install drivers, etc without doing any updates.
2) After that, manually run Windows Update over and over until you get to the point where it searches for updates indefinitely (they say an hour online)
3) At that point, search for the "Windows Update troubleshooter" online for your Windows version and run that.  Note that this is a later and better version than the troubleshooter that comes with Windows.  It will probably find and fix errors.  Don't get too excited yet because that might not fix the issue.  Try rebooting and running Windows Update again.
4) If that doesn't work, search the Windows forums.  There are one or two KB updates that address issues with Windows Update but it varies by Windows version.  Install those (you may have to manually kill the Windows Update service to do so.  Go into the "Local Services" management tool in Windows, right click "Windows Update" service and select "Stop"). Otherwise the updates will "Search for Installed Updates" indefinitely. (If you get stuck in this, go to task manager and kill "wupi.exe"). For me it only took one update being manually installed, and I'm not 100% sure that it even was what made the difference. Reboot after installing.
5) After step 4, try steps 2 and 3 again.  That's what ended up working for me.  Eventually I ran the troubleshooter and it went from "Searching for Updates" to showing me 206 available updates.  It was a glorious moment.
 
One other note, I wouldn't recommend manually making any changes to the Windows Update folder in C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution.  The Troubleshooting tool will do that for you.
 
I didn't make a backup image file, although I should have.  I like to live on the wild side :)

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 09:00:03 (permalink)
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I didn't make a backup image file, although I should have.  I like to live on the wild side :)



If I was planning to keep that hardware for a while, I would rather have a fully patched image to restore from, than to have to repeat a clean install + update.   Windows 8.1 even includes a free imaging utility ...

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 11:44:01 (permalink)
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I didn't make a backup image file, although I should have.  I like to live on the wild side :)



If I was planning to keep that hardware for a while, I would rather have a fully patched image to restore from, than to have to repeat a clean install + update.   Windows 8.1 even includes a free imaging utility ...


I agree, I should have done it.  I just didn't really think of it until it was too late and I had already installed a bunch of DAW software, etc.  Next time I do a clean wipe I'll definitely do an image backup once all the updates have installed.  I like to wipe the computer and reinstall windows every 1-2 years anyway.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 12:36:07 (permalink)
There's no reason to avoid taking an image now, as long as things are stable.  You will have a nice restore point with your DAW software in working order to go back to.  Last known good working state.  I take one monthly ... before each Windows and/or Sonar update.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 20:22:07 (permalink)
OK I only have a single hard drive in my laptop.  The image would be about 100 gigs.  My hard drive is 1TB so there's space.  How would that work?  Would I create a separate partition to hold the image?  

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/13 20:31:08 (permalink)
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OK I only have a single hard drive in my laptop.  The image would be about 100 gigs.  My hard drive is 1TB so there's space.  How would that work?  Would I create a separate partition to hold the image?  


 
To take an image of the system partition, you need to write to somewhere other than the partition you are backing up.  A secondary internal drive, or an external USB drive is perfect!
 
I use a couple of really cheap USB2 external drives.  I alternate them each time I make a backup image in case one craps out, then I will have at least the other one to fall back with.  Poor man's RAID setup, LOL!  But one is really all you need.
 
As you can see here, the 1TB drives are running around $50 now.  Cheap insurance to keep your sanity!
https://www.amazon.com/s/...amp;sort=relevancerank
 
If you go this route, and the built-in Windows imaging utility seems too techy, then have a look at Macrium Reflect Free.  Very user friendly and fully documented in the user guide.  It can get the job done, as well as step you through setting up a recovery reboot disk or thumb drive. You can use that to boot from and restore that image with.  Really useful if your system won't boot one day
 
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 05:41:41 (permalink)
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I use a couple of really cheap USB2 external drives.  I alternate them each time I make a backup image in case one craps out, then I will have at least the other one to fall back with.  Poor man's RAID setup, LOL!  But one is really all you need.




guilty of using that poor man's RAID system, either. very effective.
 
also has the advantage that you can store it in different places in case your DAW goes up in flames or under water.
no disadvantages really, other than in case you get divorced, your wife may have a legal right to claim one of the 2 drives ;-)

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 08:23:18 (permalink)
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I use a couple of really cheap USB2 external drives.  I alternate them each time I make a backup image in case one craps out, then I will have at least the other one to fall back with.  Poor man's RAID setup, LOL!  But one is really all you need.


no disadvantages really, other than in case you get divorced, your wife may have a legal right to claim one of the 2 drives ;-)



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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 08:32:09 (permalink)
OK thanks for the tips.  I'll pick up a 1TB external hard drive.  That's big enough for me to do one "base" backup image of my hard drive plus an additional few images that get updated every few weeks.
 
One question, can you open an image file and view the file structure from within Windows?  Like if I have an image from a month ago, can I open it and just copy a few files out of it?

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 09:00:38 (permalink)
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One question, can you open an image file and view the file structure from within Windows?  Like if I have an image from a month ago, can I open it and just copy a few files out of it?




I can do this with a Windows native image. Windows imaging utility uses the .vhd file extension.  In Windows Disk Management, you can click Action > Attach VHD, browse to the image file, then mount by assigning a drive letter.
 
After that, the image is mounted just like any drive on the system.  You can browse the entire file structure of your main partition with File Explorer, and you can drag and drop from it to any other drive if you just need to recover some files or folders. 
 
Windows 7 Image utility (Win 7, 8, 10) tutorial.  In Windows 8.1 Create a system image is hidden under "File History".
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/create-system-image-in-windows-7-8/
 
I keep a few old system images around from past builds that I can refer back to, from time to time, if it seems like I misplaced something during a clean install
 
Macrium can do this too, just with a slightly different process, outlined here:
http://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW/Browsing+Macrium+Reflect+images+and+backups+in+Windows+Explorer

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 10:09:14 (permalink)
That's fantastic, thanks for the info.  Windows Native disk image should work fine for me, I think I will be able to figure it out.  I should have done this a while ago, would have saved me numerous headaches since I like to wipe my system every now and then.  I am in the perfect spot to create a backup right now, I just downloaded all the Windows updates plus my DAW software, VI's and 100 gigs of libraries, but haven't really done anything else.
 
Glad to know that next time I need to wipe everything, it will take an hour instead of a few days to get everything back up and running.

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Re: Win 7 update problem. Genius needed! 2016/12/14 10:13:31 (permalink)
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I can do this with a Windows native image. Windows imaging utility uses the .vhd file extension.  In Windows Disk Management, you can click Action > Attach VHD, browse to the image file, then mount by assigning a drive letter.
 
After that, the image is mounted just like any drive on the system.  You can browse the entire file structure of your main partition with File Explorer, and you can drag and drop from it to any other drive if you just need to recover some files or folders. 
 



learned something real good here. thanks a lot!

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