Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar

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Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar

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-- 3.5 minutes
 
-- re-produced by Philip Traynor, and That Heavenly Choir.
 
Vicent performs lush classical guitar counters.
 
That Heavenly Choir performs the quartet ensemble:  Philip, Caleb, Josh, and Joy
 
A few months ago, at my obscure church, I discovered this obscure but totally awesome hymn by: Leon Ellis ... Its so obsure that I can't even find the lyrics on the web! 
 
'Tis My first 'official hymn' and cover.  Mechanical License is secured by Tenn Printing Co. in 2011.
 
With unworldly hope and joy, I now present this to you all for any constructive lashings, ponderings, or such.
 
Thankyou for your excellent thoughts and time.

Philip  
(Isa 5:12 And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD)

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    rockinrobby
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/26 20:26:57 (permalink)
    I listened. It's a nice message, and the recording is beautiful.
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/26 20:45:04 (permalink)
    Wow this is insane!! (in a good way!!) I wouldn't even know where to start on recording a piece like this. The different voices, instruments, arrangement... it's just so unique! It could have easily been a train wreck mixing all of these things together, but in some weird way it just works. Impressive!!!
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/27 23:04:49 (permalink)
    Thanks Robbie and Dave for your swift listens and crits ...

    First thing that strikes me is there's too much in the 4kHz range and some shriekiness that curses my mixes.

    The "train wreck" cacaphony is my signature ... learning to take a bunch of bombarded inspiration and paint a picture with the givens.

    Thanks again, guys!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/27 23:25:33 (permalink)
    Hello Philip,

    This obscure cover has you returning  to your melodic style with lush vocals and colorful percussive punctuations.  Very nice.  Your mixing/arranging skills are sharp. 
    Vicente is great on this as is That Heavenly Choir.

    Amen!
     
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/28 21:27:06 (permalink)
    a bump and a promise to listen soon when i have time sir!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/28 22:57:24 (permalink)
    I agree with Dave. This works wonderfully.

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/29 00:15:31 (permalink)
     Has the familiar sound of childhood cartoon movies like "the hobbit " but very clever and unique. Great title and hook, wonderful innocent sounding, voices lovely instrumentation. Production sounds pro on the cans.   

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/29 01:22:26 (permalink)
    Hey Philip the arrangement sounds great.  Alot of cool detail and layers.  The production was equally good.  Great job!


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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/29 11:56:54 (permalink)
    Hi Philip,

    I had to chime in on this because well, I kinda stalk you these days watching your growth. :)

    I dig the song, the message as well as all the different textures, panning and styles in this. The little kid singing is just precious! Ok, now that I've given you some praise...let's take a look at a few subjective areas.

    I'm hearing a few "s" sounds and some hard C sounds and D sounds that could be a little smoother. This of course is just me and how I listen to my own stuff, but I've always been a lunatic with hard sounds or excessives S's. You're not bad here, but there are a few of these coming through from time to time to my ears.

    Next, when the drums come in at like 0:56, I felt they over-powered things just a bit. The vocals were present, but not as audible. One thing I try to do in situations like this is to totally forget that I know the words as well as what is coming next and put myself in the place of the first time listener. When I was first getting into engineering, I would always be a bit light on the levels of my own vocals due to being too ashamed of my voice. What fixed me was to mix the levels where I thought they should be and automatically raise my vocals +0.5dB more no matter what. In time I was able to teach myself a good level and of course from singing so much, I accepted my voice/sound and got used to it.

    But you have a monster track here in my opinion and I think you did very well with it. The things I've mentioned are subjective of course, but give a listen now that I've brought them up and see if you too can hear what I hear. If not, the mix is pretty healthy as is in my opinion and again, you have proved how much of a good engineer you actually are. :) Glad those recent storms didn't harm you or your family.

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/29 12:15:12 (permalink)
     I would agree with unique. When I read "hymn" I expected something different. The tune has a very clean well defined sound to me. The kids voices are cute and right on the mark...those kids have good intonation(or your good with vocal correction.)
     Great job man!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/29 14:01:55 (permalink)
    very cool as ever. not utterly convinced of the greatness of the hymn myself, but you do a sterling job on it. there are a few 'straight' versions on youtube - needless to say this is far better than those!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/04/30 20:58:52 (permalink)
    Danny, MGH, Tim, Mike, OhGrant, Scotty, Rick, and all,

    Thanks for your patience in my responding! I'll respond indepth later, Lord willing, after immense tornado damage is 'repaired'. My roof damages are slight compared to others ... but still no electric for awhile now!

    I'm at a Jack's now (in Gadsden, AL), which has WiFi and electric.

    Thank you all for your spot-on comments and excellent crits. Suffice it to say I will continue to relish your crits and listen/study your excellent works.

    Philip  
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/02 21:37:48 (permalink)
    I've heard this one, but certainly not done this way.  It's unusual like all your songs, but it works.  Nice!
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/02 22:08:46 (permalink)
    nice Philip!  I"m not fond of the intro and I'm with Danny on the drums coming in too loud over the vox.  but other than that, this is a nice producition!

    kudos to Caleb, Josh & Joy!  very good job guys!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/02 23:10:18 (permalink)
    Thanks Danny, Reece, Janet and all for your thoughts.  (I've recovered well from the tornados and power is now on in most of Huntsville, AL)

    I've made corrections per Danny and Reece, but have other tweeks to make before re-posting (... after listening to Danny's latest collob with Tony, Bapu, and Phil ... which I relish).

    I suppose in a strong chorus one should:

    1) Raise the vocs levels and widen them or compress them more
    2) Raise instrument levels and add percussives (though my beatz, per Reece, may be a little quirky ... but I tried without and it was dulls-ville -- without those beatz ... haha)
    3) HPF the lead voc to be more to clear
    4) Be bolder, nastier, and more vibrant

    blessings all!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 13:10:39 (permalink)
    Philip, this is awesome.  So different than anything else up here.  Many people on this forum here doing unique things.  I love that Heavenly Choir.  It's all done so nicely. 

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 18:25:01 (permalink)
    Just an amazing job on this.  I wouldn't know where to start with a piece like this, but you've done a wonderful job with it, Philip.  I always enjoys hearing those children sing.
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 19:11:46 (permalink)
    A Huge WOW Philip. The production on this is top shelf. Bravo.

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 21:11:47 (permalink)
    Phillip,
    I'm really glad I was meandering through the song forums today and noticed your latest.  Great song and great work put into it!  I love the production and the approach you gave to the hymm.  Very creative and definitely worth more then one listen.  Also loved the child's addition.  I did notice the things Danny Danzi mentioned (listened on my old Yamaha NS-10M's), but I figure you've heard enough about that stuff. 
    I put it on my SC station so that I can just ENJOY it more.
    Make more please!!!

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 22:06:19 (permalink)
    I thought I was watching a big movie production!

    What a production.  I can imagine this would be difficult to pull off effectively and you certainly did that.

    Kudos to all.

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 22:23:17 (permalink)
    Philip, this is just great. What a great musician you are - and your message is right on.

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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/03 23:27:57 (permalink)
    Arlen (Mr Grant), You are too kind!  You've given me the utmost encouragement adding this to your SC station (I chimed there).  I'll implement the chorus tweaks on SC per Danny and you, after fixing a couple other bugs, hopefully by weekend.

    I've got a lot to learn from all you musical giants around me --haha!  Lord-willing, I'll have 2 'special forum-member-collabs' to offer this Spring.

    Warren,  I wondered where you were.  Thanks so much for your encouragement and faithful listen.  I'm always so glad and humbled by your comments.

    Tim, Thanks so much for your encouraging and professional validation.  I'm tweaking portions (per Danny) ... but with your ears I am more confident that I'm in the ball-park.  I'm awaiting your next performance(s).

    Clean, Mark, that encourages me; I'm a quirky hacker at best, and consider you a far greater musician than me.  Vicent, OTOH, is a great musician like yourself, and I stole his blessings.

    Daryl, Thanks for your kind words.  Of course, much of this is layered EWQL MIDI stuff.  You know I'm a fan of your most excellent productions and performances.

    Philz, I utterly love your vox in your duet with Tony.  Thanks so much for your encouraging listen.

    Philip  
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    Re:Win the Lost At Any Cost -- a Hymn Ensemble: Featuring Vicent on Guitar 2011/05/04 15:04:21 (permalink)
    Good heavens, one just never knows what's going to come out of the speakers when you click a Phillip song!  It's got all sorts of everything all melded together... Salsa Beatles!  :D

    Your creativity is inspiring.  And your child is so precious....

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