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2018/08/05 21:00:52 (permalink)

Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge

I cannot say I am surprised by this, but is interesting.

https://www.forbes.com/si...pdate-windows-7-8/amp/

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 00:49:03 (permalink)
Yikes!

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 01:22:14 (permalink)
Well after 15 years of lurking, I'll finally move to Linux. I believe Bitwig is the only decent DAW which runs on Linux.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 02:09:31 (permalink)
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Well after 15 years of lurking, I'll finally move to Linux. I believe Bitwig is the only decent DAW which runs on Linux.




I have used Linux for over 10 years for other things and it is a solid OS, but if I was serious about audio and wanted to change from Windows, I would probably bite the bullet and switch to a Mac.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 03:32:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2018/08/06 23:51:07
Why am I not surprised?
I'm loving my Win 7 machines even more now!

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 06:18:15 (permalink)
I dunno, everyone loves to poop on Microsoft but my experience with Windows 10 has been great. I certainly would say I've gotten my money's worth, having bought W8 when I built my PC and upgrading to w10 for free. As long as charges were reasonable I would probably be OK with it.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 08:32:38 (permalink)
All that "articles"... MS has "site licenses" with yearly fee for long time. They have subscription versions of Office. And I guess they are moving forward, so introduce new forms of subscriptions.
 
But I do not remember (correct me if I am wrong) they ever had subscription ONLY versions of something. It was always possible to buy everything "once" (I am not talking about the price, but about a possibility).
 
Windows 7-8 will be "out of service" relatively soon, that is not a solution.
 
Changing to Apple is like moving from one prison to another. With MS you can at least choose the room, with Apple you can not.
 
Cockos was releasing Linux versions of REAPER all the time. But they was "just for test". They have many Linux port fixes recently, have made Linux board in the forum and "promoted" the download to the main page (still as "Evaluation"). I guess REAPER 6 will officially support Linux.
Also note REAPER is long time Linux+Wine friendly.
 
Tracktion has official Linux version for all products (but my experience with it was not good).
 
Bitwig has official Linux version.
 
Steinberg officially mention Linux is recent VST SDK.
Many VSTs are developed with JUCE, that means they can be compiled for Linux in no time (without extra development cost), if producers consider to do that.
 
So, if Cockos can release own (== well written) bridge to run windows plug-ins (current bridges are not perfect) and RME (Motu or some other player) can release Linux drivers, much more people can switch completely.
 
Note that "conservative" design of Linux (thanks to embedded and server solutions based on it) is perfect for "install once - run forever" approach. Desktop platforms (MS,Apple) tend to change the rules all the time to sell new products. Good for toys, one season clothes and may be for mobile phones. Somehow stupid for "hardware like" music workstations.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 12:13:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2018/08/06 23:00:27
I pay close attention to MS, as I'm a corporate IT guy.  This is just another service the MS will be offering, and will not affect 99.9% of Windows users.  See:
 
https://www.howtogeek.com/360938/no-microsoft-isnt-turning-windows-10-into-a-paid-subscription-service/

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 13:29:42 (permalink)
OAN, I would gladly pay a small one-time fee for an ad-free, no ****, lean and mean version of Windows.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 13:37:25 (permalink)
There's nothing in that article that's "panic worthy".
I have a subscription to MS Office 365.  With tax, it's $7.51 a month.
You can still purchase a standard license for MS Office.
 
Sometimes a subscription type plan makes sense... other times it doesn't.
ie: I use Photoshop, Premier Pro, After Effects, Illustrator, and Audition.
To purchase a bundle license for those programs (and to keep it up-to-date) would cost a lot more than the $50/month Adobe Creative Cloud subscription.
 
Apple may ultimately go the monthly subscription route.
They already offer monthly services (Apple Music, iCloud Storage, etc).
 
The downside to a subscription is that you don't own the license.
If you stop paying for the subscription, the application will no longer function.
Most subscriptions have an option to pay yearly.  At that point, the line is getting blurry.
 
As long as monthly subscription costs the same (or less) as a normal license, I don't have a problem.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 14:12:52 (permalink)
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I pay close attention to MS, as I'm a corporate IT guy.  This is just another service the MS will be offering, and will not affect 99.9% of Windows users.  See:
 
https://www.howtogeek.com/360938/no-microsoft-isnt-turning-windows-10-into-a-paid-subscription-service/




Good article. Thanks for that.
 
If MS would include a Win10 5 license deal along with Office 365 ( which I have a sub) for about the same price, I would jump on it!!

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 18:18:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby clintmartin 2018/08/06 23:51:36
Ardour and Harrison Mixbus (which is based on it) work on Linux.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/06 20:40:30 (permalink)
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Windows 7-8 will be "out of service" relatively soon



Not available, but not unsupported - I don't believe corporate customers would stand for that.  My last gig (as a software engineer) was with a fortune 250 company.  I retired a little over four years ago and we had just switched to Win 7 maybe a year before that.  Upgrading to a new OS costs mega bucks when a company has tens of thousands of machines to upgrade.  It's not the software cost, it's testing every friggin' application that all the employees rely upon.  This is *very* expensive.
 
I would be surprised if Win 7 is taken off MS support sooner than three years from now at the earliest.  I should be seeing a few of my former colleagues sometime in Sept. and will learn where they are currently are with respect to upgrading from Win 7.  I am extremely interested to find this out.  Both my home machines are Win 7 and I have absolutely no desire to move to a "better" OS.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/11 12:53:51 (permalink)
I switched to Linux as the primary OS on my DAW a couple of months ago. I set it up as dual boot Xubuntu/Win7 with the idea that Win7 extended support officially ends in January of 2020, and just like XP I expect that M$ will follow through and stop supporting it on the day they say they will.
 
Anyway, my plan has long been to dual boot, and eventually take Win7 totally offline, and use the Linux side to do everything except music and video production. Since moving to Linux, I also started playing around with REAPER for Linux, just for kicks.
 
To my surprise, the Linux version is more usable than I expected, although the Windows version is still more efficient and is more compatible with VST/VSTi plugins. That said, I'm using the Linux version of REAPER on a song I'm working on currently, and may eventually move it to the Windows side of the house to finish it up if I need some plugins I haven't got working in Linux.
 
Here's a screenshot with some of what I have working in Linux right now.
 


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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/11 15:43:32 (permalink)
I agree with dmbaer on the high cost of upgrading for many corporations.  I'm a retired Regional LAN/WAN Network and Hardware Help Desk Manager.  Along with upgrading software, hardware, in many cases, will also have to be upgraded.  Training is a major expense.  But ultimately all will update at some point.  I worked for a US Federal Government Agency and they got special Microsoft on site support and a support extension ($$$) for their "NT 4.01" systems but the extension really gave them a chance to evaluate and integrate an upgraded OS and upgraded/compatible application software. 
 
Back to Win 10 and possible subscriptions.  I'm also in the Windows "insider" program and get advanced versions of Win 10 Pro.  So far everything that I need, such as Sonar, iLok, etc all work on the insider versions.  If they keep that program I won't really need the $$ version. 

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 18:39:54 (permalink)
To go with the pic I posted two posts earlier, here's an example of using native Linux REAPER in Xubuntu, with Toontrack EZ-Drummer with Drumkit From Hell, Native Instruments B4 Organ and FM-7 Synthesizer, Oberheim OB1 and Arp String Ensemble VSTi's, sampled brass, trumpet, saxes, and baritone sax, short scale Gretsch Jr. Jet electric bass, Fender Strat, and Gibson L6S Midnight Special guitars.
 
It's titled ZooBooN2 at:  https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13768605

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 19:23:08 (permalink)
Reaper works too, although via Wine for now. Also, Tracktion , Ardour and Mixbus are options.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 22:03:36 (permalink)
any OS maker has to keep it's customers happy.. and it's company it supplies , e.g. a pc maker. I've bought a pc in the past with no OS loaded on it for example.
 
I'm not a fan of the subs model, as having such things taking money out of your account seems "easier" way to get your money / less painful.. much as using a card vs paying cash.
 
if I get ill or things change etc and can't use the software .. then taking a small chunk out from my bank account , isn't helping.
 if more companies supported linux, I'd have switched years ago.. but well pc and mac are the mainstay.
 
I don't mind paying for an OS with the machine or outright, but not ongoing.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 22:49:01 (permalink)
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Reaper works too, although via Wine for now.



Actually, there is now a native Linux version of REAPER as well as an ARM version for Raspberry Pi.
 
https://www.reaper.fm/download.php#linux_download
 
The image I posted earlier is a screen capture of the native Linux version of REAPER, and is what I used to record the music I linked to in a later post.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 23:29:44 (permalink)
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Reaper works too, although via Wine for now.



Actually, there is now a native Linux version of REAPER as well as an ARM version for Raspberry Pi.
 
https://www.reaper.fm/download.php#linux_download
 
The image I posted earlier is a screen capture of the native Linux version of REAPER, and is what I used to record the music I linked to in a later post.


Thanks for update. I will try. Tracktion is just too much of a chore to me.
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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/15 23:35:54 (permalink)
Wonder what can be done with a Pi?

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 13:00:09 (permalink)
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Wonder what can be done with a Pi?


Tracking  

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 16:04:20 (permalink)
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Wonder what can be done with a Pi?


Tracking  




Velcro a Pi to an RME Fireface for a mini multitrack field recorder!

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 16:17:53 (permalink)
If you have the Fireface UFX, you can plug-in a flash-drive and record directly to it.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 16:54:04 (permalink)
30 tracks of audio on a Pi with Tracktion Waveform.
 
NAMM 2017: Tracktion Raspberry Pi Interface
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MTUpji8Uw

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 18:45:56 (permalink)
Jim Roseberry
If you have the Fireface UFX, you can plug-in a flash-drive and record directly to it.




That's way cool! If only those guys were less expensive I'd have one, but instead I'm looking at the Behringer UMC1820, for a cheep way to get 8 mic inputs in a USB class compliant device so it will work in Linux.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/16 18:50:29 (permalink)
What about the Behringer XR-18?
Packs a lot of bang for the buck.

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/17 13:52:19 (permalink)
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What about the Behringer XR-18?
Packs a lot of bang for the buck.



I didn't realize those could be used as a DAW interface. Cool units for sure, and they had a used one recently at the GC near me. I assumed it was only for live so you could walk around a venue with an iPad to do the mixing, and not be tethered to a physical board. Still, the $250 price tag of the UMC1820 makes me think I'll probably show up at GC one day with a couple of things I don't need any longer, and get one for more like $100 after trade-in.
 
That said, my pair of ancient M-Audio Delta 2496 cards ain't really broke, and both Windows and Linux are totally happy with them.  The primary reason I am toying with the idea of getting a multi-mic interface is that I started recording acoustic drums recently using both of the M-Audio cards at once. They are sync'd over S/PDIF, but I have found that the start times for recording are not sample accurate, and even though they are using the same clock, with no drift there, the moment they start recording is not identical, and I end up having to slide two of the four tracks of drums around due to phasing that kills the punch. Now that I have identified why my four channel recordings have varying amounts of offset, I spot check and correct every time right after recording, but it's a step I would like to eventually eliminate.
 

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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/17 14:33:31 (permalink)
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Jim Roseberry
If you have the Fireface UFX, you can plug-in a flash-drive and record directly to it.




That's way cool! If only those guys were less expensive I'd have one, but instead I'm looking at the Behringer UMC1820, for a cheep way to get 8 mic inputs in a USB class compliant device so it will work in Linux.




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Re: Windows 10 Leak Exposes Microsoft's New Monthly Charge 2018/08/17 15:05:23 (permalink)
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Jim Roseberry
What about the Behringer XR-18?
Packs a lot of bang for the buck.


I didn't realize those could be used as a DAW interface. Cool units for sure, and they had a used one recently at the GC near me. I assumed it was only for live so you could walk around a venue with an iPad to do the mixing, and not be tethered to a physical board. Still, the $250 price tag of the UMC1820 makes me think I'll probably show up at GC one day with a couple of things I don't need any longer, and get one for more like $100 after trade-in.



Has most of the features of the X32.
I think I got mine closer to the $400 mark (bought the display model).
 
I got it to use for band rehearsals.  Works perfectly for that.
Figured if we wanted to record (simultaneously), it would make that process quick/easy.
 
 

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