ProjectM
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Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
So, Windows 10 is coming later this year it seems, free for people who upgrades from Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1
I have to admit - I hated Windows 8 so much that I sold my studio computer and bought a Mac - even if it meant that I wouldn't ever use Sonar again. I'm happy to bootcamp with Windows 7 to use Sonar but I'm also starting to really get into Logic Pro X.
Windows 10 starts to look like Windows again. But I'm not sure of what I think of it, being compatible with every device running Windows. I actually can't put my mind around what it is anymore. It's definitely going to work well because technology is pretty good these days, and it seems like they have streamlined the functionality and workflow. But I am utterly on the fence about this.
What are your thoughts?
EDIT: Pardon me, seems like this may have been posted in the wrong forum :p
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 11:21:38
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ProjectM
But I'm not sure of what I think of it, being compatible with every device running Windows.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 11:32:41
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I think Windows 10 is going to be awesome. They blew it in 8, skipped 9, and are betting the farm that 10 is going to be widely accepted. Can't wait to see how the software guys update their drivers to W10. Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 11:36:42
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I'll do what I always do - wait a year or two after release when I know all of my hardware and software will run stable on it.
Right now I'm happy with Windows 8 - it's been completely stable and transparent.
BTW, I hated it too for about five minutes, until I installed a free "classic" shell that emulates Win 7. Since then, it's like using Win 7 (only a lot snappier).
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 12:55:00
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I think it is a good thing.
I can keep my more than beefy Sandy Bridge I7 DAW with an OEM Win 7 license and take it up to Win 10 for $0 which is a great price. Wait a month or so and let the early adopters work it out.
Cakewalk will be ready for 10.
It is the after 1 year free upgrade period when M$ pops the $10 a month subscription pricing out for everyone who went to Win 10 for free we should worry about.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 12:56:27
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At this point, we can't say since it is in beta. When it comes out, we'll see how it goes. Most likely should be good and compatible. No big changes in the low end stuff, just getting rid of the tablet crap on desktops. Pretty much it'll be like a copy of 8.1 with Start 8 and ModernMix installed :).
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 13:07:59
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ProjectM
So, Windows 10 is coming later this year it seems, free for people who upgrades from Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1
I have to admit - I hated Windows 8 so much that I sold my studio computer and bought a Mac - even if it meant that I wouldn't ever use Sonar again. I'm happy to bootcamp with Windows 7 to use Sonar but I'm also starting to really get into Logic Pro X.
Windows 10 starts to look like Windows again. But I'm not sure of what I think of it, being compatible with every device running Windows. I actually can't put my mind around what it is anymore. It's definitely going to work well because technology is pretty good these days, and it seems like they have streamlined the functionality and workflow. But I am utterly on the fence about this.
What are your thoughts?
EDIT: Pardon me, seems like this may have been posted in the wrong forum :p
Since my laptop is now no longer needed for music, I've toyed with the idea of Bootcamp, but when I read these forums, I am constantly reminded of downloading drivers and cleaning registries and having to find software solutions for back ups and this and that, all those mundane tasks which I've been free from for almost 5 years. And that's enough for me to postpone indefinitely. Maybe W10 will be better in this regard. PS - You seen Logic 10.1 released yesterday? Man, I can't wait for it to hit the Canadian store!
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 13:35:10
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Hope you guys are right about win 10.
All depends on what we are running. Some claim win 8 to be the best windows ever. I have multiple compatibility issues and problems with win 8. Both music and non music bugs.
Downloaded and installed the evaluation ver of win 10. Unfortunately for me, the changes are only cosmetic at this point. Same bugs, same incompatibilities, just can now get to the old start menu faster. Still beta, but not expecting miracles.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 16:42:30
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If you have problems in 8 they are unlikely to go away in 10 since the codebase is largely the same. What issues are you having? They may be resolvable.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/22 17:44:12
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Thanks for the reply Sycraft,
Likely old coding receding into the past, but Adobe Audition reporting an out of bounds error and closes. Was my go to editor and works well in win XP and win 7.
Goldwave editor, any other editor unable to record streaming audio. Only Audacity works. Thank Lord Shiva that at least Audacity is available.
Internet connection taking up to 10 minutes to connect.
WiFi blocks with Netgear router unresolved.
Presonus USB external hardware box unrecognized even after full installation.
You are right, win 10 not likely to solve anything. Bummer, but good news is nothing that can't be fixed if you have a couple thousand dollars pocket change to upgrade and can find something that will work. The way of the future for better or worse.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 02:45:37
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Well, some of it may just be code compatibility issues. I don't use any of those editors (Sony Soundforge 11 is what I use) but could be 8 just doesn't like them. 99.99% of older software runs fine, but I've seen stuff that doesn't.
The rest, sounds like either a driver or hardware issue. By driver I don't necessarily mean for that device, but another driver (maybe motherboard driver) causing issues with the system. 8 itself has no inherent issues with networking we have deployed about 250 copies at work and have not seen any issues with slowness in network.
If you've a rather old system, like something that originally ran XP but has been upgraded to 8.1, that might be it. Manufacturers stop supporting old hardware after a time an maybe something in there lacks proper drivers.
Also could be a hardware fault. Doesn't necessarily sound like it, but I wouldn't rule it out without testing.
Even if it is newer, could be some really weird incompatibility. I had that on my laptop. Upgraded it to 8.1, worked great for months. Then suddenly very strange issues. they coincided with a WiFi upgrade but turned out not to be it, the old hardware did the same thing. Reinstalls didn't help, though it worked initially once all drivers were loaded problems happened. I got tired of it and said "the hell with it" and stuck 7 back on. Problem may be fixed for all I know but I don't use my laptop a ton so it stays on 7.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 05:08:29
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I'll run 10 at release on this computer before I put it in my studio. It will give me time to get use to the changes and give developers time to come out with new drivers. Compatibility wise, much like with Windows 8, it won't be much of an issue. Compatibility Agent in Windows 8 Professional has worked well for me in getting older programs to run without any issues.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 05:28:39
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I am happy with Windows 8.1 on my DAW but I would like to upgrade the other box which is still quite powerful and running 64 bit Vista. Unlike many people I had no issues with Vista but developers are withdrawing support for it on almost a daily basis. Even a lot of websites won't display properly in the last compatibal version of IE.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 05:52:56
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Hey Mesh! Good to see you too, buddy ;) Wow guys, thanks for sharing your thoughts! Since I get it for free, I'll probably have a look at Windows 10, however, now I'll be running it on my Mac(s). But I would love to have a hassle free Sonar environment to work in. I kind of like that they are shaving off more and more of the radical changes to Windows that was introduced in Win8. As long as Win10 doesn't pretend to be a tablet OS - or that I feel I should have a touch screen to use it with elegance - then there's a possibillity that I will keep it too. But I am seriously content in the OSX world for all of my computing needs. The only reason for me to even look at Windows is because Sonar still feels like home I contemplated using Classic Shell and all that in Windows8, but then I might have just stayed with Win7. Why bother with a new OS if a bunch of 3rd party software is needed to make it feel like the old version? And that charms bar thing drove me nuts! I run windows 7 in bootcamp and it is pretty good! Seems even more stable than my old supersystem that I sold after I contaminated it with Windows 8. I didn't have any problems with Windows 8 - it was superstable but just the workflow in the OS and the constant digging around to find basic functions annoyed me so much! Ha ha, 1st world issue, I know...  Windows 10 really looks like an improvement. And if it acts like a desktop OS then it might be good. I will definitely give it a spin. Hey Rain, how goes it? I haven't seen the latest Logic update, although there was an update a day or two ago (can't remember) which I have installed, just haven't used the software since. I'll look into that ;)
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 06:05:30
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I'll be willing to bet the promises won't be fulfilled.ever.
don't get me wrong, ms and windows are pretty awesome, given the amount of work invested etc. but it is software, code, running on the same hardware we are using now. miracles ? no. sure, it might be able to do this and that- like an overladen transport truck going up a long steep slope- all the bells and whistles are going to come at a cost of efficiency, like an overlarge orchestra trying to play a composition- invariably, the result is a mish-mash of conflicting noise. I expect we will need a processing power about 10 times what we typically have to avail ourselves of all the os could offer in a seamless fashion. Thats going to be my bet here.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 14:30:44
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Hey Rain, how goes it? I haven't seen the latest Logic update, although there was an update a day or two ago (can't remember) which I have installed, just haven't used the software since. I'll look into that ;)
Do it! :) Significant free update, with new sampler instruments (mellotrons will come in handy), a re-designed compressor (gorgeous GUI and enhanced functionality), new Drum Machine Designer, 10 new Drummers, new drum map-ish paradigm with a couple of interesting twists, and tons of interesting new enhancements.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 14:39:35
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Skycraft, Newer Dell Inspiron that shipped with win 8. Hard to say where the problem is. Appreciate the thoughts. On a good note from here, the new 64 bit Goldwave audio editor does record streaming audio. Nice program and they have a demo. http://goldwave.com/release.php
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/23 18:05:59
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10 looks so good. I'm excited.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 08:48:55
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☄ Helpfulby Rain 2015/01/24 12:57:46
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Hey Rain, how goes it? I haven't seen the latest Logic update, although there was an update a day or two ago (can't remember) which I have installed, just haven't used the software since. I'll look into that ;)
Do it! :) Significant free update, with new sampler instruments (mellotrons will come in handy), a re-designed compressor (gorgeous GUI and enhanced functionality), new Drum Machine Designer, 10 new Drummers, new drum map-ish paradigm with a couple of interesting twists, and tons of interesting new enhancements.
Wow! Yeah, that is impressive. I'm downloading it now, will have a play with it later tonight. This is a big one!
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 10:32:07
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I'm going to hang on to win 7 until support is cut off for at least a year . . . .
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 21:04:34
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I'm going to hang on to win 7 until support is cut off for at least a year . . . .
How much support do you need for W7? People still use XP. All of my audio interfaces will be doorstops if I leave W7 and it's all M-Audio. I still have a Terratec card running Vista 64 beta drivers. I'm done with M-Audio.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 21:18:35
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KiteKrazy1,
If your interfaces work with Win7, they should work above... like 8.1 and 10.
The driver model didn't change there. It did between xp and Vista, but it hasn't changed appreciably since vista.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 23:28:48
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kitekrazy1How much support do you need for W7? People still use XP. All of my audio interfaces will be doorstops if I leave W7 and it's all M-Audio. I still have a Terratec card running Vista 64 beta drivers. I'm done with M-Audio. Just because people still use it doesn't mean they should. The day after XP went offline with extended support, a bunch of 0-Day exploits were released as expected leaving the OS vulnerable to hacks. If you use an XP computer on the internet... well hope you don't use anything important or personal on it.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/24 23:56:31
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kitekrazy1How much support do you need for W7? People still use XP. All of my audio interfaces will be doorstops if I leave W7 and it's all M-Audio. I still have a Terratec card running Vista 64 beta drivers. I'm done with M-Audio.
Just because people still use it doesn't mean they should. The day after XP went offline with extended support, a bunch of 0-Day exploits were released as expected leaving the OS vulnerable to hacks. If you use an XP computer on the internet... well hope you don't use anything important or personal on it.
A lot of people around here prefer not to have their DAW online. I'm guessing that people who stick with XP take that into consideration.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/25 00:28:15
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kitekrazy1How much support do you need for W7? People still use XP. All of my audio interfaces will be doorstops if I leave W7 and it's all M-Audio. I still have a Terratec card running Vista 64 beta drivers. I'm done with M-Audio.
Just because people still use it doesn't mean they should. The day after XP went offline with extended support, a bunch of 0-Day exploits were released as expected leaving the OS vulnerable to hacks. If you use an XP computer on the internet... well hope you don't use anything important or personal on it.
I have yet to meet a person who had any of those infections running XP.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/25 00:30:21
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KiteKrazy1,
If your interfaces work with Win7, they should work above... like 8.1 and 10.
The driver model didn't change there. It did between xp and Vista, but it hasn't changed appreciably since vista.
I do not know of two or more people who have a M-Audio FW410 or Presonus 1394 working on a Windows 8 machine without any problems.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/25 11:05:41
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Hate windows 8 period . Can't wait for this update. So Yay for me
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/01/25 11:59:20
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kitekrazy1I have yet to meet a person who had any of those infections running XP. They likely wouldn't even know. I'm willing to bet that if they did know, they surely wouldn't be using XP because they would know better. These are exploits, not viruses.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/02/02 15:45:35
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I loved 8 and still do, but 10 is even better. I have had issues with it, but its a beta. You can't complain about that.
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Re: Windows 10 - Yay or Nay?
2015/02/03 19:02:59
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I have a recent article somewhere on very old PCs running W10. The positive about 8 and 10 is they take less resources to run than previous Windows. Now drive space that's a different story.
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