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2015/03/17 23:44:43 (permalink)

Windows 10 coming this summer

It's sooner than you think: http://blogs.windows.com/...ies-and-111-languages/

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 01:42:31 (permalink)
If they are announcing summer that means it should definitely make Christmas (believe it when I see it)...And probably best avoided until at least six months after release anyway.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 02:41:07 (permalink)
Ah, Windows Biometrics  I bet the powers that be are all very excited.
 
One of the core features about Windows 10, strictly keeping all biometric data on the user hardware. I guess what Microsoft has done (and its based on old technology) is to use MS Passport as a link to the hardware ID and Biometric ID sensor hardware device(s) to replace software based passwords. Access to a user's Windows 10 system will require authenticated via biometric sensor, once confirmed the computer is ready...  from there on logins to sites will be authenticated instantly, no need to remember passwords. This also means that in the near future software installs will also be instantly authenticated, just run the install... Done (a computer voice will say: Your install, registration and activation is successfully completed)!
 
This ties in with what I have read about the RFID Chip, the size of a grain of rice that will be implanted in the hand. This chip will carry a unique ID number, so simplistic because that ID is basically all that's required to authenticate access to all services transactions and reports such as, credit, medical, criminal, retail/marketing, Internet activity and downloads. These chips can also be used for location tracking to catch criminals and to help protect the most vulnerable in society such as kids and invalids (i.e medical alert)! 
 
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 02:57:11 (permalink)

 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 03:42:47 (permalink)
Waiting patiently. It will be nice to have a regular start menu back... otherwise windows 8.1 is working fine here.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 08:21:12 (permalink)
I installed win 10 technical preview on a win 8.1 laptop, some wonky driver integration and issues with programs,
I HATE 8.1 , even thought I have the "desktop" the thing will swipe over to some stupid 8 setting and I have to fiddle to get it gone..
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 10:46:03 (permalink)
No problems with 8.1 here either. In fact I think it's been the best Windows version to date so far. It took me about 5 minutes to get used to the new features and now I live and breathe them just like everything else in the OS. Never understood the complaints about it, I guess some people just want things to stay the same forever.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 12:05:05 (permalink)

 
What?

 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 12:39:43 (permalink)
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No problems with 8.1 here either. In fact I think it's been the best Windows version to date so far. It took me about 5 minutes to get used to the new features and now I live and breathe them just like everything else in the OS. Never understood the complaints about it, I guess some people just want things to WORK CORRECTLY AND SMOOTHLY



 
 
there, fixed that for you 

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 12:42:01 (permalink)

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 13:28:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2015/03/18 18:23:50
Am I missing something? What happened to Windows-9?

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 13:40:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/03/28 17:39:37
Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 13:51:28 (permalink)
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Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.

 

And that is wonderful it works for YOU, however the GENERAL consensus is it sucks and is equal in  crappyness to Vista, or do you not agree with the majority of windoze users experience?

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 13:52:50 (permalink)
Although 8.1 seems to have placated the Win8 noise I have still been waiting for the upcycle release which I'm hoping this will turn out to be.
 
As in every second release from MS is usually their bizzarro experimental release to gauge how stupid they can get, then they listen to the backlash said stupidity causes and then release a proper OS that stands the test of time.
 
I have been wanting to get a new laptop for a while but even if I had the money for one I did not want to deal with Win8... at all. I've never even used it but it strikes me as the "downcycle" like Vista, ME, etc. Win7 has been working absolutely fine for me. I would however like some of the under the hood performance enhancements reported for 8 but based on past experience figured I could get those along with a more sane interface.
 
Time will tell of course but I'm hoping this will be the "good" release on par with 95, XP or 7. I do however expect to wait for at least one service pack.
 
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 13:59:20 (permalink)
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Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.

 

And that is wonderful it works for YOU, however the GENERAL consensus is it sucks and is equal in  crappyness to Vista, or do you not agree with the majority of windoze users experience?




That General Consencus is an arse though, he don't know nothin. I know this because an old chum of his, Major Influence, told me so.
 
I agree that now I can turn off the stoopid charm bar Win 8 is actually fine and better in many ways than 7.
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 14:16:01 (permalink)
I should clarify... I'm sure 8.1 is fine and Vista was, in the end, fine but I don't like having to fiddle with the OS more than I have to. Vista was too drastically different from XP in how things were done (and it used to actually freeze on me all the time which ticked me off... I think it hated me as much as I hated it). 7 was more like XP and God Mode fixed any remaining bullpizerry associated with having to hunt around for stuff.
 
8 supposedly required skins and tweaks to make it work and was another crappy scenario where programmers were trying to make things all "touchy" and Star Trekky. I did not want to deal with that and I still think that programmers need to either make a completely separate release for touchscreen crap (which I would never use on any of my serious systems) or have a pure desktop mode.
 
I think about 80-90% (or more) of the problems I had with Sonar X2 (which were many and sent me into a tailspin around here) were directly due to the implementation of touch and Cakewalk trying to make Sonar Win8 ready before MS had actually released 8 (aside from the demo version which was obviously fuxxored).
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 15:12:05 (permalink)
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Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.

 

And that is wonderful it works for YOU, however the GENERAL consensus is it sucks and is equal in  crappyness to Vista, or do you not agree with the majority of windoze users experience?


That is not the "general consensus" at all. And quite frankly some of the butt hurt surrounding Windows 8 borders on the hysterical. Like having to click to get onto the desktop upon startup. Yeah I'd change this, but on my (rational) scale of life annoyances it doesn't even register. Others have made such a big deal about how much this inconveniences them that I feel like grabbing them by the scruff of the neck, frog marching them onto a plane to Africa and showing them some REAL problems.

My (objective, non-hysterical) evaluation of Windows 8 is that it is very slick, fast, looks good and has given me a slightly more stable Sonar experience. If I had the slightest problem with it then believe me, I'd say. I suspect that much of the butt hurt surrounding the OS consists of people who like to jump on bandwagons.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 15:17:09 (permalink)
Even more interesting than the free Windows 10 upgrade is the fact that MS is offering it to people running pirated versions of Win 7 and Win 8. Take that pirates. Wiped out by the simple expedient of giving the treasure away. Well it worked for IE (anyone remember Netscape Navigator) so why not Windows. Of course, Windows 10 will be like Sonar in the future, a constantly updated mutual commitment that will require phoning home on a regular basis for authorization. So in the end they will have better control of the product than they do now. And rather than virtually giving it away to hardware manufacturers, and watching most of the revenue go to them as people buy new machines rather than updating Windows, they apparently plan to make money offering "services" that will use Windows as a gateway, and collecting user data. That model worked so well for AOL.
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 15:24:48 (permalink)
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Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.

 

And that is wonderful it works for YOU, however the GENERAL consensus is it sucks and is equal in  crappyness to Vista, or do you not agree with the majority of windoze users experience?


That is not the "general consensus" at all. And quite frankly some of the butt hurt surrounding Windows 8 borders on the hysterical. Like having to click to get onto the desktop upon startup. Yeah I'd change this, but on my (rational) scale of life annoyances it doesn't even register. Others have made such a big deal about how much this inconveniences them that I feel like grabbing them by the scruff of the neck, frog marching them onto a plane to Africa and showing them some REAL problems.

My (objective, non-hysterical) evaluation of Windows 8 is that it is very slick, fast, looks good and has given me a slightly more stable Sonar experience. If I had the slightest problem with it then believe me, I'd say. I suspect that much of the butt hurt surrounding the OS consists of people who like to jump on bandwagons.



Interesting, I will tell our office of technology and help desk they are full of butt hurt since they will not  deploy win 8 because it does NOT work with some of  our apps..
 
and if win 8 is all that great, why did win 10 come out so quickly and do an about face with the cutsie swipe krap.
 
Anyway you like it , I and many others don't , my Sonar is very stable on win 7 so each is different
AFA win 10 I rolled back since some ham radio apps didnt play well on it, but in fairness its still beta.
 
So we both derailed from the original topic.
I wont change your mind, nor do i wish to, and you wont change a great number of others..

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 17:48:32 (permalink)
I'm good. If I can get it free I may consider a dual boot but I'll be where I am until Jim gives the OK. I think I still have a copy of Windows ME somewhere just in case.
 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 18:24:55 (permalink)
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Am I missing something? What happened to Windows-9?



The odd-numbered OS versions are the best so they're probably just wanting to avoid that this time and serve up another "Vista" experience. 

 
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 20:34:29 (permalink)
My experience with windows 8 has been fine. The only annoyance was Metro. I turned on the option to boot to the desktop and for the most part things are fine. Sonar and my other apps run perfectly smooth on windows 8 and 8.1. Not a single problem.
 
I'm not fond of the way that metro forces the crappy metro apps on things like video and audio playback but those are easily changed to use better more stable desktop applications.
 
None of that takes away from the fact that the underlying system is very stable for audio and other purposes.
 
Vista had stability issues from the start that windows 8 does not have so equating them is really silly in my opinion.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 21:46:47 (permalink)
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Nope, still not seeing it. Windows 8 works perfectly smoothly for me and I haven't had one single problem with it.



And that is wonderful it works for YOU, however the GENERAL consensus is it sucks and is equal in  crappyness to Vista, or do you not agree with the majority of windoze users experience?


That is not the "general consensus" at all. And quite frankly some of the butt hurt surrounding Windows 8 borders on the hysterical. Like having to click to get onto the desktop upon startup. Yeah I'd change this, but on my (rational) scale of life annoyances it doesn't even register. Others have made such a big deal about how much this inconveniences them that I feel like grabbing them by the scruff of the neck, frog marching them onto a plane to Africa and showing them some REAL problems.

My (objective, non-hysterical) evaluation of Windows 8 is that it is very slick, fast, looks good and has given me a slightly more stable Sonar experience. If I had the slightest problem with it then believe me, I'd say. I suspect that much of the butt hurt surrounding the OS consists of people who like to jump on bandwagons.



Interesting, I will tell our office of technology and help desk they are full of butt hurt since they will not  deploy win 8 because it does NOT work with some of  our apps..
 
and if win 8 is all that great, why did win 10 come out so quickly and do an about face with the cutsie swipe krap.
 
Anyway you like it , I and many others don't , my Sonar is very stable on win 7 so each is different
AFA win 10 I rolled back since some ham radio apps didnt play well on it, but in fairness its still beta.
 
So we both derailed from the original topic.
I wont change your mind, nor do i wish to, and you wont change a great number of others..




Every OS upgrade has come with compatibility problems to some extent. That's why they have compatibility mode. Companies are usually the last to upgrade their OS, especially when they've invested so much into a previous version. NYU hospital computers are still on XP. Does that mean Windows 7 is worse? Of course it doesn't. 
 
The time gap between Windows 7 and 8 is the same as the gap between 8 and 10, so I'm not sure how valid that argument is. 
 
Anyway I think you'll find that most criticism of Windows 8 centers around the Metro interface, and most of that is a combination of bandwagon hate for anything new (especially where Microsoft is involved) and also people who aren't prepared to spend 20 minute watching a tutorial video to get them up to speed with the new way of doing things (which is guaranteed to save a ton of headaches when switching to ANY new system). A lot of people base their entire opinion of a new program on their first impressions of it without giving it a chance. So you had people faced with a new style of interface which worked differently to the old one, couldn't be bothered to learn a few simple tips and tricks to make it work (the number of people who have no idea what the Windows key does is astounding), said "no sir I don't like it" and that was that. I've talked to people who spat fire over the Metro tiles and who had no idea whatsoever that you can switch the large tiles to a start menu style list. Why didn't they know that? Because they didn't make the effort to find out. 
 
 

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/18 21:50:42 (permalink)
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I'm not fond of the way that metro forces the crappy metro apps on things like video and audio playback but those are easily changed to use better more stable desktop applications.



I think what people forget is that the Metro interface is very much geared toward touch screen devices, but that it's just an option. I have a touch screen laptop and the Metro interface is great on it. Whereas I never use it on my desktop machine. Those full screen apps are terrible on a desktop but make more sense on a tablet. I applaud Microsoft for moving on and doing their best to cater to new technology. 

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/19 00:03:44 (permalink)
No issues with Windows 8 & 8.1 here. OK the Metro Interface is ugly as sin, but if you organise it properly you have options that go beyond the start menu.

That said I will admit to being a dinosaur and use classic shell, not because the Metro screen is not function but because it looks so aweful.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/19 00:20:16 (permalink)
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No issues with Windows 8 & 8.1 here. OK the Metro Interface is ugly as sin, but if you organise it properly you have options that go beyond the start menu.

That said I will admit to being a dinosaur and use classic shell, not because the Metro screen is not function but because it looks so aweful.



If you click the down arrow on the Metro interface though, you're taken to what is essentially a very well organized Start Menu on crack. And you can set an option to have this start menu appear on startup instead of the Metro tiles. 

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/19 00:40:18 (permalink)
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If you click the down arrow on the Metro interface though, you're taken to what is essentially a very well organized Start Menu on crack. And you can set an option to have this start menu appear on startup instead of the Metro tiles. 



Thanks for that tip.

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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/19 19:39:24 (permalink)
That pseudo-start menu works fine as long as you only have a few dozen applications. Beyond that, you realize why you've always organized your programs by function, not alphabetically.
 
My biggest complaint with 8.1 is that it goes out of its way to hide the actual pathnames of executables. It used to not matter whether you knew the real location of a file because you could usually find it in the Start Menu. 
 
This morning I wanted to add a shortcut to Remote Desktop into a folder, but I couldn't remember the name of the executable (it's mstsc.exe, duh). So I had to locate and run it via the Search bar, open Task Manager to discover the actual pathname, and then manually type it into the shortcut. In previous Windows versions I'd have simply dragged it from the Start Menu. 
 
If W10 turns out to be as solid internally as 8.1 but brings back the damn start menu, then I'm onboard! But I'll wait a few months - I got tired of being a pioneer 20 years ago. Anybody else invest six months learning Xenix? It was the Next Big Thing c. 1985. Nope, my pioneering days are done.


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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/20 02:32:23 (permalink)
bitflipper
That pseudo-start menu works fine as long as you only have a few dozen applications. Beyond that, you realize why you've always organized your programs by function, not alphabetically.



In the top left corner, where it says "Apps," there is a drop down where you can choose to list your programs by name, date installed, most used or category. It works pretty well. And you can whizz through your start menu horizontally with the scroll wheel (I swipe the screen on my laptop). 

James
Windows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
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aonaor22
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Re: Windows 10 coming this summer 2015/03/22 02:08:20 (permalink)
Out of curiosity, has the team considered shared computers? Will the Windows automatically create a new session for the new user (opening a registered user’s account if present, and a guest account if not?) What happens if someone other than the logged in user wants to quickly check his/her email? Or open a quick Skype session (already impossible with Modern Skype)?

1 User per User Account makes sense only for smartphones and enterprise devices. Consumer tablets, notebooks and PCs are often shared devices. Finally I find Windows Password Key is a nice tool to unlock Windows 10 password.
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