Drone7 
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Windows 10 preemptive
Just wondering if anyone has any inside knowledge about Windows 10. I've always longed for the day when Windows will have something on-par with ASIO built-in, why Microsoft hasn't done this already is an enigma to me, they are quite negligent is this aspect.
Core Audio on the Mac is the equal of having ASIO 'built-in' to Windows, so i wonder about Windows inferiority sometimes. I know it's not a problem for most, because a lot of producers record from an external soundcard with its own ASIO drivers, but think about this...
With EDM, some of us don't need to record external acoustic sounds and instruments etc, we can do everything inside the DAW, right? So, why should we need to buy a dedicated external audio interface? This just causes more unnecessary expenditure and hinders the portability factor for those of us with laptops; with Laptops there will be true portability without an external audio interface. If i need to record vocals, i can just use my 'usb' Yeti Blu-mic. When will Microsoft provide built-in high-end audio drivers on-par with ASIO?
Also, does anyone know if Windows 10 will have any benefits for Sonar under the hood? Would be nice to hear this.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/15 12:26:46
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Windows does, more or less, with WaveRT/WDM. It is just that only Sonar seems to use it and often pro audio cards don't support it all that well.
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Drone7
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/15 12:44:33
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I see what you mean. So, if the manufacturer of the soundcard in our laptop was to support WDM, would we then have performance on-par with ASIO?
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/15 12:55:40
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/15 15:48:23
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Drone7
I see what you mean. So, if the manufacturer of the soundcard in our laptop was to support WDM, would we then have performance on-par with ASIO?
No, all Windows soundcards support WDM, its the native interface. If the soundcard had good hardware and correctly supported kernel streaming and WaveRT then yes. If you have a good pro audio interface, you'll find Sonar generally works the same in WDM/KS mode or in ASIO mode. If you have a bad interface, it doesn't tend to work well period. There's no magic to make bad audio interfaces good, or bad soundcard drivers good.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/15 20:07:38
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Apple have one great advantage over Microsoft when it comes to things like core audio. Which is that Apple always know exactly what hardware OS X will be running on because a Mac is a closed system produced only by Apple from components selected by Apple.
Microsoft, on the other hand, have to cater for an almost infinite range of hardware configurations. So much driver development is left to the third party hardware builders, be that hardware audio, video or printers.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/16 06:31:36
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Just a comment on Win 10. I have the pre-release loaded on a partition in my backup desktop system. I loaded Sonar X3 and the drivers for my Roland Studio-Capture to see how it works. Some initial basic tests say everything works OK.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/28 06:12:59
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Update, I now have Sonar Platinum installed and working on the latest Win 10 release. No problems found, so far.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/28 09:22:04
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fireberd
Update, I now have Sonar Platinum installed and working on the latest Win 10 release. No problems found, so far.
That's good to know Fireberd........especially it still being in the beta stage. Hopefully, most of the bugs will be cleared out by the time of release.
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Re: Windows 10 preemptive
2015/01/28 13:27:46
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2015/01/28 15:10:22
Drone7
Just wondering if anyone has any inside knowledge about Windows 10. I've always longed for the day when Windows will have something on-par with ASIO built-in, why Microsoft hasn't done this already is an enigma to me, they are quite negligent is this aspect.
Core Audio on the Mac is the equal of having ASIO 'built-in' to Windows, so i wonder about Windows inferiority sometimes. I know it's not a problem for most, because a lot of producers record from an external soundcard with its own ASIO drivers, but think about this...
With EDM, some of us don't need to record external acoustic sounds and instruments etc, we can do everything inside the DAW, right? So, why should we need to buy a dedicated external audio interface? This just causes more unnecessary expenditure and hinders the portability factor for those of us with laptops; with Laptops there will be true portability without an external audio interface. If i need to record vocals, i can just use my 'usb' Yeti Blu-mic. When will Microsoft provide built-in high-end audio drivers on-par with ASIO?
Also, does anyone know if Windows 10 will have any benefits for Sonar under the hood? Would be nice to hear this.
Windows doesn't do this because, simply put, third parties can do a better job with it. I don't like how proprietary Apple is. I like that third parties have a large hand in how audio is done within Windows as MS has their hands full with a lot of things already being a fairly open software company. As far as the interface issue, ASIO drivers are not hard to get and they are free. The biggest issue here is the fact that Microsoft is not a hardware company like Apple is. This is a very good thing because third party hardware gives you options while keeping prices low. As far as what Windows 10 will offer for music production, I'm hearing it's already got better resource management which is always a good thing. I think now that MS knows more people are making the jump to working media on PC than ever before, we'll start seeing more mediacentric updates to help us with production.
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