Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs

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Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs

Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs
 
'Come on!!!' rages one Reddit commenter
 
http://www.itworld.com/article/3181808/microsoft-windows/windows-10-servicing-stack-update-cripples-some-pcs.html
 
Some users have reported that one of this week's Windows 10 updates crippled their PCs, according to a thread on Reddit.
They fingered the KB4013418 update as the most likely culprit. That update was marked simply as "Update for Windows 10 Version 1607" in Windows Update, and in the accompanying support document, tagged as a "servicing stack update."

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    highlandermak
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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/18 04:32:47 (permalink)
    Interesting, I updated my studio with no issues a few days ago however I just updated my laptop tonight and noticing Sonar is extremely laggy all of a sudden. Laggy like I move my cursor around the screen and it doesn't switch to the right tool and trying to navigate is like seeing a video that keeps freezing up.  I wonder if its related.

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/18 09:41:03 (permalink)
    Had that update yesterday, no problems....so far....
     

     
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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/18 21:28:02 (permalink)
    These types of problems never seem to affect all PC's.  It seems that there is always the possibility that changes only affect certain configurations.  That's probably why the update got released by the MS testers.
     
    I usually wait a few weeks before updating, to let MS fix any discovered problems and re-issue the updates.  And always make a full system image before updating, so a rollback will be painless, if needed.
     
    I looked at the big list of updates this month and there were several updates that I would shy away from, until certain they work OK.  Anytime I see updates to Windows kernel-mode drivers, the Windows kernel, or anything like that I think twice.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4013429/windows-10-update-kb4013429

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/18 22:50:29 (permalink)
    abacab
    ....  And always make a full system image before updating, so a rollback will be painless, if needed.



    +1
     
    I'm still on Win 8.1, and wouldn't feel safe without my regular backup images.  In fact, backup images have been saving my bacon for about two decades now.
     
    Given Win 10's rather quirky nature with updates, the first screen of the installation should read:  "DON'T EVEN THINK OF INSTALLING THIS UNTIL YOU'VE DONE A SYSTEM IMAGE!".
     
    And no, folks, System Roulette, er, I mean, Restore, doesn't count!

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/18 23:00:37 (permalink)
    Yup!  I do a monthly cycle now.  Take one image before updating (I do Windows and Splat updates around the same time).  Then update.  Take a second image with the updates applied. 
     
    1. If an update related problem is discovered, roll back to image #1.
     
    2. If updates are good, but something bad happens to Windows later during the month, roll back to image #2.
     


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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/19 11:13:11 (permalink)
    So far, no problems with any Win 10 update, including the latest.  I even have the advanced Win 10 "Insider Preview" (beta) version (on dual boot) and I have Sonar installed on that and it works OK. 

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/31 09:36:44 (permalink)
    A couple of days ago my PC did an update and shut down.
     
    Will see what happens this evening when I turn it back on

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/31 10:40:47 (permalink)
    An update on my previous post.  I now have the "Creators" edition on my Insider's version (dual boot with regular Win 10 Pro for my production).  No problems with the Creators edition, Sonar runs OK, Latency Mon shows no problems, etc.

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/03/31 13:38:04 (permalink)
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    A couple of days ago my PC did an update and shut down.
     
    Will see what happens this evening when I turn it back on


     
    Good luck, I hope it's OK!  If not, try to start Windows in safe mode and uninstall the update, then run system restore to a restore point taken prior to the update.
     
    That's the reason I take a Windows boot disk image at least once a month.

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/01 21:36:57 (permalink)
    I finally got around to installing the March 2017 updates for Windows 10.  No problems here.
     
    Microsoft did release an out-of-band update fix on March 20th.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4015438/windows-10-update-kb4015438
    https://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/79808-cumulative-update-kb4015438-windows-10-v1607-build-14393-969-a.html
     

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/02 06:27:40 (permalink)
    Yes that was discussed over in the Sonar forum. That update is mandatory if you have done the previous win10 update as it broke functionality related to mp3, mp4 and Sonar browser with mp3

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/02 12:54:02 (permalink)
    Yup!  Another "sound" reason to wait for a few weeks after the MS updates are released.  Let the early adopters beta test them for you!

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/02 17:09:07 (permalink)
    abacab
    Yup!  Another "sound" reason to wait for a few weeks after the MS updates are released.  Let the early adopters beta test them for you!




    that's why I keep the main DAW offline and only update after certain periods ... with Sonar it easy to wait and install a little later, but with win10 when you go for updating it gives you all thats new (including the latest crap), so can I select only the settled down proven-to-work update content?

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/02 17:29:55 (permalink)
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    Yup!  Another "sound" reason to wait for a few weeks after the MS updates are released.  Let the early adopters beta test them for you!




    that's why I keep the main DAW offline and only update after certain periods ... with Sonar it easy to wait and install a little later, but with win10 when you go for updating it gives you all thats new (including the latest crap), so can I select only the settled down proven-to-work update content?




    If you have Win 10 Pro, you can use Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc from the run box) to set automatic updates to "off".  Once you have done this, you will need to click on the "Check for updates" button to see any new updates.  The only thing, is that this will still bring the whole pile rolling down the chute, but at least you know when it's coming, LOL!!! 
     
    For example: Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > “Configure Automatic Updates”

    “If the status for this policy is set to Disabled, any updates that are available on Windows Update must be downloaded and installed manually. To do this, search for Windows Update using Start.”
     
    What I do first before I check for updates, is run a little relatively off the radar Microsoft utility called "Show or Hide Updates" *(wushowhide.diagcab).  This runs a check for updates (without downloading any), and you can then tick off boxes for any updates you wish to hide from Windows Update.  I usually hide any device driver updates, or Silverlight, for example ... or any other known bad updates waiting for a fix.
     
    That way when I check for updates, I only get what I want it to see.
     
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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/03 06:44:25 (permalink)
    abacab
    If you have Win 10 Pro, you can use Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc from the run box) to set automatic updates to "off".  Once you have done this, you will need to click on the "Check for updates" button to see any new updates.  The only thing, is that this will still bring the whole pile rolling down the chute, but at least you know when it's coming, LOL!!! 
     
    For example: Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > “Configure Automatic Updates”

    “If the status for this policy is set to Disabled, any updates that are available on Windows Update must be downloaded and installed manually. To do this, search for Windows Update using Start.”

     
    that's what I do ... but as said this gives the all updates at once, not option to decide ...
     
    abacab 
    What I do first before I check for updates, is run a little relatively off the radar Microsoft utility called "Show or Hide Updates" *(wushowhide.diagcab).  This runs a check for updates (without downloading any), and you can then tick off boxes for any updates you wish to hide from Windows Update.  I usually hide any device driver updates, or Silverlight, for example ... or any other known bad updates waiting for a fix.
     
    That way when I check for updates, I only get what I want it to see.
     
    *Tutorial for wushowhide "Show or Hide updates":
    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8280-hide-show-windows-updates-windows-10-a.html




    that's a good one. thanks a ton. downloaded and tried it. i will use that to remain a little behind updates.

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/03 07:58:19 (permalink)

     
    interesting, this "Show or Hide Updates" tool reports a number of driver updates which do not show up e.g. when queried for in the device manager. how come ...???

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/03 13:45:54 (permalink)
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    interesting, this "Show or Hide Updates" tool reports a number of driver updates which do not show up e.g. when queried for in the device manager. how come ...???




    That's a good question.  Mine looks about the same.  I hid 'em all.
     
    My first rule is to only get your drivers from your system or hardware OEM, and never Microsoft, unless it is a peripheral like a mouse, keyboard, printer, or something like that.
     
    The Intel stuff should come from your mobo manufacturer, unless it's end of life and you can get it direct from Intel instead.  If it ain't broke, it probably don't need fixin'
     
    Graphics and audio drivers should come from their respective sources.
     
    I don't trust Microsoft to match up my system hardware ID with some database somewhere and decide what drivers I should be running.  Arrggghhh!!!

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/03 17:12:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for your feedback. I will stick to that.

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    Re: Windows 10 'servicing stack' update cripples some PCs 2017/04/03 17:15:13 (permalink)
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    abacab 
    What I do first before I check for updates, is run a little relatively off the radar Microsoft utility called "Show or Hide Updates" *(wushowhide.diagcab).  This runs a check for updates (without downloading any), and you can then tick off boxes for any updates you wish to hide from Windows Update.  I usually hide any device driver updates, or Silverlight, for example ... or any other known bad updates waiting for a fix.
     
    That way when I check for updates, I only get what I want it to see.
     
    *Tutorial for wushowhide "Show or Hide updates":
    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8280-hide-show-windows-updates-windows-10-a.html




    that's a good one. thanks a ton. downloaded and tried it. i will use that to remain a little behind updates.




    And wushowhide really rocks!!! 

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