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2015/08/03 01:21:03 (permalink)

Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems?

Hi-
 
This is more or less a follow on to this post: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3265401
 
I still haven't received my upgrade, but I did register under both Win 7 and Win 8.1 on my dual boot system. Does anyone have experience with getting the upgrade with a dual boot system? I gather from the link that I can choose one OS or the other, but I haven't found much more info on this online. I'm leaning towards upgrading just 8.1 if I need to choose.
 
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/03 15:13:38 (permalink)
    Interested as well.. Inc Linux.
    Be interested to hear what bootloaders people are using as well.

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/03 15:56:37 (permalink)
    Hi Susan,
     
    I run a tri-boot system (Win7 and XP, and UbuntuStudio) and was hoping to use my Win7 upgrade on my XP drive.  I haven't thoroughly researched this yet, but I did a quick search and it looks like the WinX Media installer may do the trick.  I plan on looking into this more this evening.  I'll get back to you when I can give you an answer.

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/04 01:01:46 (permalink)
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    Hi Susan,
     
    I run a tri-boot system (Win7 and XP, and UbuntuStudio) and was hoping to use my Win7 upgrade on my XP drive.  I haven't thoroughly researched this yet, but I did a quick search and it looks like the WinX Media installer may do the trick.  I plan on looking into this more this evening.  I'll get back to you when I can give you an answer.


    Hi Bud-


    I'll be interested to hear what you find out. I still haven't received my upgrade, even though MS says my PC meets the requirements. I'm not in any big rush anyway, though.
     
    Thanks!
     
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/05 17:58:56 (permalink)
    Hi Susan, it doesn't matter which Windows version you upgrade as long as you've got at least one eligible product on your machine as once the upgrade happens it's your device (computer in this case) that gets authorized and licensed to use the new version.
     
    Once that has happened and your machine is activated you can install whatever operating system you want on it provided you still have the installation media and product keys to hand.  Your existing licenses for 7 and 8.1 will still be valid and you'll be licensed for 10 as well.
     
    The edition of windows you are running is more important as the upgrade will go from like to like so if say W7 is the Pro edition and 8.1 is the Home edition then you'd probably want to upgrade your Pro edition as you'll end up with W10 Pro registered to that machine.
     
    If however they are both the same edition of Windows then it will make no difference which partition gets upgraded other than choosing which version you personally prefer to keep on your spare boot partition.
     
    You can force an upgrade now with the download tool so you don't have to wait but you don't have to do a thing otherwise as the upgrade will turn up in its own good time.
    post edited by Jonbouy - 2015/08/05 18:09:21

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/05 20:01:41 (permalink)
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    Hi Susan,
     
    I run a tri-boot system (Win7 and XP, and UbuntuStudio) and was hoping to use my Win7 upgrade on my XP drive.  I haven't thoroughly researched this yet, but I did a quick search and it looks like the WinX Media installer may do the trick.  I plan on looking into this more this evening.  I'll get back to you when I can give you an answer.


    Check out grub.

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/05 20:05:14 (permalink)
    Back to Windows 10..

    The big problem is windows 10 and multiboot, by all accounts it not supposed to be business as usual.

    For starters will each elligable multiboot OS update to Windows 10.

    Secondly will enforced secure boot screw up Linux.

    Thirdly can we boot off C drives and hide partitions from windows when booting. For instance with Acronis OS selector (now discontinued) we can completely hide windows OS partitions from each other so they don't interfere with each other, and every time we start windows it's on a C drive.

    Is there any element of disk losing the boot loader when upgrading (usually the answer is yes).

    What if we simply just clone OS images using acronis OS or whatever.


    Lots of Q's really.

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/05 20:13:57 (permalink)
    I didn't find this much use but the basics are here:
    http://www.techradar.com/...erating-system-1300472

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/06 19:45:29 (permalink)
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    I didn't find this much use but the basics are here:
    http://www.techradar.com/...erating-system-1300472



    Hey DA.
     
    I tried answering the questions Susan had asked and hopefully I did that in saying that it didn't matter which partition got upgraded (as long as it's the edition (home or pro) ) you want to end up with as it's the machine that gets licensed with the qualifying product not the qualifying product itself, you'll still be able to re-install and use that further down the line if you wish or do a clean install of 10 on the same machine provided you've previously gone through the upgrade process once.
     
    As far as managing boot partitions goes, I'm swapping OS disk images out all the time from just two partitions on a single drive XP, Linux, W7,8 or 10 it doesn't matter in which combination either.
     
    However if YOU are having particular problems setting up different combinations why not just use this?:
     
    EasyBCD makes your BCD operations easy just like it says.
     

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/06 20:19:06 (permalink)
    I've been using dual boot for a decade or more..

    BCD is the microsoft default and a stinking turd and will force all OS's to have a separate drive letter rather than just C: It also won't hide partitions effectively. Perhaps it's got better with win10 but I don't trust it.

    Up until today I used Acronis OS selector which is buggy as hell but managed to get by. Finally I've managed to install grub with Linux which is no thrills but perfect. People not used to Linux will probably drown in it's complexity however.


    I am still only running Windows 8.1 (3 different versions) and Linux.

    Rumours are windows 10 will insist upon secure boot mode. Not only that motherboard manufacturer may later decide to enforce secureboot in the BIOS making dual to to Linux impossible.

    There are lots of hard choices out there. I'm still curious to see if anybody has actually done Windows 10 dual boot (have you actually done it yet?), whether it moans about registration and whether they've got Linux working with it or not, and what their approach was.

    Otherwise I guess I will dive into the deep end in the next few months. The DAW partition will be done last.

    Thanks for the response.
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/06 20:31:32

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/06 23:46:32 (permalink)
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    Hi Susan, it doesn't matter which Windows version you upgrade as long as you've got at least one eligible product on your machine as once the upgrade happens it's your device (computer in this case) that gets authorized and licensed to use the new version.
     
    Once that has happened and your machine is activated you can install whatever operating system you want on it provided you still have the installation media and product keys to hand.  Your existing licenses for 7 and 8.1 will still be valid and you'll be licensed for 10 as well.
     
    The edition of windows you are running is more important as the upgrade will go from like to like so if say W7 is the Pro edition and 8.1 is the Home edition then you'd probably want to upgrade your Pro edition as you'll end up with W10 Pro registered to that machine.
     
    If however they are both the same edition of Windows then it will make no difference which partition gets upgraded other than choosing which version you personally prefer to keep on your spare boot partition.
     
    You can force an upgrade now with the download tool so you don't have to wait but you don't have to do a thing otherwise as the upgrade will turn up in its own good time.


    Hi Jon-
     
    [Sorry for the late reply. I was offline for a few days.]
     
    Thanks so much for the very thorough explanation and great info! I'm in no hurry to upgrade, so I don't mind waiting for the confirmation, knowing that others are in the same boat.
     
    Very, very helpful, so thanks again!
     
    -Susan
     
     

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/06 23:49:49 (permalink)
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    I've been using dual boot for a decade or more..

    BCD is the microsoft default and a stinking turd and will force all OS's to have a separate drive letter rather than just C: It also won't hide partitions effectively. Perhaps it's got better with win10 but I don't trust it.

    Up until today I used Acronis OS selector which is buggy as hell but managed to get by. Finally I've managed to install grub with Linux which is no thrills but perfect. People not used to Linux will probably drown in it's complexity however.


    I am still only running Windows 8.1 (3 different versions) and Linux.

    Rumours are windows 10 will insist upon secure boot mode. Not only that motherboard manufacturer may later decide to enforce secureboot in the BIOS making dual to to Linux impossible.

    There are lots of hard choices out there. I'm still curious to see if anybody has actually done Windows 10 dual boot (have you actually done it yet?), whether it moans about registration and whether they've got Linux working with it or not, and what their approach was.

    Otherwise I guess I will dive into the deep end in the next few months. The DAW partition will be done last.

    Thanks for the response.

    Hi Alex-
     
    I'm going to hold off even after I get the upgrade just to see how things shake out for folks using multiple boot systems. 
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/07 00:00:18 (permalink)
    Yup cheers Susan.. Jons experiences sound promising though.

    One thing I forgot to say is having BCD on each Windows partition is a must regardless of what bootloader you use. Often Windows puts BCD on one partition only for multiple windows partitions to boot on causing nightmares. I'm writing this here in case I forgot to check this..

    Currently I'm using Grub in the MBR which looks at the grub config in the Linux partition. When selecting windows in the boot menu this will make a selected windows partition active executing the BCD on that windows partition. ... Whilst standing on one leg...

    Cheers..
    post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/07 00:07:45

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/07 22:15:32 (permalink)
    Well if anybody wants to do Linux's grub here's a sample script which will multiboot 3 windows OS's (hd0 - 2,3,4) (not tested under Windows 10 yet). BCD must be installed for each OS partition. The result is a zillion times better than M$'s bootloaders could ever do (Windows OS's are kept entirely separate from one another, blissfully unaware of each other, and Windows always boots on a C drive) , but certainly requires a lot more effort.


    File: /etc/grub,d/40_custom:

    #!/bin/sh
    exec tail -n +3 $0
    # This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries. Simply type the
    # menu entries you want to add after this comment. Be careful not to change
    # the 'exec tail' line above.
    echo "START - Adding Windows OS to Grub 2 Menu"
    menuentry "DAW - Windows 8" {
    insmod part_msdos
    insmod ntfs
    set root='(/dev/mapper/isw_ifefcjibh_ARRAY0p2)'
    parttool (hd0,1) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,2) hidden- boot+
    parttool (hd0,3) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,4) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd1,2) boot-
    set root='(hd0,2)'
    chainloader +1
    }
    menuentry "GAMES - Windows 8" {
    insmod part_msdos
    insmod ntfs
    set root='(/dev/mapper/isw_ifefcjibh_ARRAY0p2)'
    parttool (hd0,1) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,2) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,3) hidden- boot+
    parttool (hd0,4) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd1,2) boot-
    set root='(hd0,3)'
    chainloader +1
    }
    menuentry "DEV - Windows 8" {
    insmod part_msdos
    insmod ntfs
    set root='(/dev/mapper/isw_ifefcjibh_ARRAY0p2)'
    parttool (hd0,1) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,2) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,3) hidden+ boot-
    parttool (hd0,4) hidden- boot+
    parttool (hd1,2) boot-
    set root='(hd0,4)'
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    }
    echo "FINISH - Adding Windows OS to Grub 2 Menu"
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/09 20:35:50 (permalink)
    For those interested in Linux grub and dual boot I've managed to get it to work with a Windows 8 installation, two Windows 10 installations and Linux on one PC.
     
    Instructions...
     
    a) Install Grub MBR again.
    b) Boot from win DVD.
    c) After picking the language, select 'Repair your computer' (do not install windows!)
    d) Select 'use recovery tools that can help fix problems starting Windows...'
    e) Select 'Command Prompt' (CMD) to launch CMD with admin privileges.
    e) Then do this:
     
    diskpart
    list disk (Find the disk number of windows you are repairing)
    select disk {Your Disk Number}
    list partition {Find the partition with windows on}
    select partition {Your partition Number}
    detail partition
    exit
    c:
    bcdboot c:\Windows
    Reboot
     
    It's a tricky and can be a frightening procedure, but after it works perfectly afterwards, however it's probably only suitable for advanced users or those really confident with their backups...
     
    Thanks..
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/20 04:14:51 (permalink)
    Hi-
     
    I upgraded my Win 7 boot to Win 10 last night without issues and decided I liked it, so tonight I went ahead and upgraded my 8.1 boot (same PC) as well, so the good news is you can do that. I wasn't sure.
     
    I now have a dual boot system with Win 10 running just fine on both.
     
    In the olden days, I used to be able to use bcedit or edit the boot.ini file directly to change the "friendly" names of the different OSes, but apparently neither bcedit nor boot.ini exist any longer. It's not a huge deal, since I now know which is which when I restart, but I'd like to name them differently, if possible. Does anyone know how to do that?
     
    Thanks-
     
    -Susan
     
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/21 00:27:56 (permalink)
    Bcdedit is alive and well. Boot.ini is gone it's a different method via bcdedit now.

    What normally happens with dual boot upgrades (and new installs) is that all the OS's boot off one BCD located on some partition somewhere. Personally I don't like that, I prefer a separate BCD install for each windows os partition, so if one partition screws up it does not screw up the other. So I have to get BCDEDIT out. You may even have a dedicated boot partition at the beginning.  And that's another reason why I use Linux grub as I don't trust the MS bootloader on the master boot record, and I don't want one instance of windows screwing up another instance of windows later on. In effect I isolate them.
     
    On the other hand if you want to use HD encryption you must boot off a dedicated partition (I don't).
     
    So I assume you are left with running different drive letter for each OS you boot on?
    Anyway hope you've backed up now.. :)
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/21 02:17:12 (permalink)
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    So I assume you are left with running different drive letter for each OS you boot on?
    Anyway hope you've backed up now.. :)

    Hi-
     
    If I understand your question, no. My OS is always on drive C:, regardless of which I boot to.
     
    And yes, I backed up everything before I started all this. ;)
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/21 02:27:21 (permalink)
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    Bcdedit is alive and well. Boot.ini is gone it's a different method via bcdedit now.



    What I get when I try to run bcdedit from the command prompt is this:
    The boot configuration data store could not be opened.
    Access is denied.
     
    Thanks-
     
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/21 05:30:53 (permalink)
    Right click the start button and try the administrative command prompt... Cheers...

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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/21 05:34:37 (permalink)
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    So I assume you are left with running different drive letter for each OS you boot on?
    Anyway hope you've backed up now.. :)

    Hi-
     
    If I understand your question, no. My OS is always on drive C:, regardless of which I boot to.
     
    And yes, I backed up everything before I started all this. ;)
     
    Thanks-
     
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    I mean back up now (again). Before you touch BCDEDIT I suggest.

    Thx..
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    Re: Windows 10 upgrade for dual boot systems? 2015/08/22 00:52:58 (permalink)
    Hi Good Doktor-
     
    I got bcdedit to work with the Administrative command prompt (thanks for that) but I've decided to just leave it as is for now. There's not really any confusion now that I've gotten used to seeing the same OS listed twice. 99.99% of the time I'll be rebooting from one to the other after changing the default in the System Configuration.
     
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