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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 07:08:53
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So, I'm reading this wondering what I'm learning... The OP was asking if Sonar X2 works with Windows 8 and the answer is a resounding Yes. Whether it works measurably better remains in dispute, but there is at least one benchmark (performed by Cakewalk) which says it does. http://blog.cakewalk.com/windows-8-a-benchmark-for-music-production-applications/ There are features specific to mother boards that can be set to make DAWs more efficient. BIOS settings, registry hacks and modifications to the Power Management within Windows are variously described to fix the issue of core parking for Windows 7. When I read the linked post and checked my Windows 8 PC, I couldn't find the core parking setting in Power Profile as described in the post. Perhaps because I'm using Windows 8 or perhaps my mother board doesn't support it. I only have a dual core. Mad_Man has what appears to be a very knowledgeable post on the subject of core parking. Does anyone with Windows 8 see the "processor performance core parking min cores" parameter in their power options? I am not seeing it. Next, John took offense at Alex's post and then vice versa. Couldn't you both have done this in Private Messages? I'm not sure why you did this in the public forum. IMHO, both of you could be speaking truth. Why you are fighting about it, I can't tell. Alex, we know John knew about the thread you posted on "core parking" because he posted on the same thread back when it was active. I don't want to speak for him, but if he announces it isn't an issue for him, I take him at his word. John, please don't be so quick to take offense. I didn't read Alex as trying to be offensive or dismissive. Jim Roseberry, I think it's great that you took the time to try the demo project under both 7 and 8 on the same PC to compare. I totally believe that you are unable to see a difference with your eye. I wonder if it is possible to aggregate performance logging over time and sum the data. I don't know how to do this type of benchmarking off-hand, but it would be useful data. Jim, you probably know this, but if you type PerfMon in the run window you can add specifically the SONARPDR process for logging. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69332/tracking-cpu-and-memory-usage-per-process Perhaps that would give measurable data which could be summed over time (the length of the demo song) to see if there is a measurable difference on your PC. This would take "eyeballing" out of the equation.
post edited by gswitz - 2012/12/04 07:23:46
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 07:49:47
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Gswitz good summery. What speed step is for is reducing power consumption used from a battery on laptops. There is no good reason for a desktop computer to have it on. One way to turn it off if its on is to use a performance mode that wont use it. Some motherboards support it others don't. From being on this forum for so long it seems it was an issue when the I core Intel processors were released and for some unknown reason and was started being supported by some motherboard manufactures. Before that it never came up as I remember though it could of for laptops. Then again it may have and I simply didn't pay any attention to it. As to Alex this is not the first time Alex has interjected himself into a thread with condescending comments. I wish I didn't have to respond to him. I try not to get into personality issues with members but enough is enough. As you point out rightly this was a simple thread asking whether X2 will run on Win 8. All the rest is unimportant. For me it runs better on Windows 8 than it does on Vista. I have no way to test it on or compare it to Windows 7. But I have been clear in other threads about this fact. I don't know how it will run on Windows 7 vs Windows 8 on my system.
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 07:54:50
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So, I have run Cakewalk on Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 in order. I haven't done any benchmarking between any two. I just use it. I can say for me, Windows 8 has been the best experience. That said, I changed to Windows 8 and X2 at virtually the same time. The latest of Cakewalk and Microsoft together has resulted in my best experience to date. John, you are appreciated by me. I am thankful for all you contribute. I think you do a great job contributing and I'm thankful for your posts.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 08:06:46
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gswitz So, I have run Cakewalk on Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 in order. I haven't done any benchmarking between any two. I just use it. I can say for me, Windows 8 has been the best experience. That said, I changed to Windows 8 and X2 at virtually the same time. The latest of Cakewalk and Microsoft together has resulted in my best experience to date. John, you are appreciated by me. I am thankful for all you contribute. I think you do a great job contributing and I'm thankful for your posts. Wow! Thank you so very much. I am very glad you are having a good experience with Windows 8. I'm not going to say X2 is as stable as X1 Ex D on Vista but for me it is better running it on Windows 8. On Vista it was in my view very unstable. Don't read too much in the above because I do think X2 is by far a better Sonar. But I thank you for your kind words.
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 09:17:37
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Buried amid the thread war (I am not going to participate in that one way or another) - there was posted something that is quite an important thing to do PRIOR to making the jump to Win 8. Someone way back in the thread correctly pointed out that for whatever reason, some software and some hardware will simply not run on Win 8, and it is important to manually check each own's mix of software and hardware to make sure that there is working support for operating in a Windows 8 environment. Further, if one is also making a jump to a 64-bit operating system, the same issue can be present- that of some software not working in such an environment, and the same with some hardware. There can also be issues in moving to a new computer, or I suppose even on the same computer, with regard to USB 2.0 versus USB 3.0 - some USB devices simply go bonkers when plugged into a USB 3.0 slot - my Presonus Audio Box 1818 VSL, for one. So, performance issues aside for the moment, the above should really get looked at in detail prior to making the jump to either Win 8 and/or a 64-bit platform. My 2 cents - which may not be available following the fiscal cliff, Bob Bone
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 12:54:26
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I agree with Gswitz. I made an entirely appropriate suggestion which John took offence to. It was not entirely directed towards him either. Rather than just politely stating something like 'that's interesting but I've already accounted for it' I get a lecture about stupid I am and how experienced and senior he is in a public thread. He then proceeds to back up his argument by stating his chip does not support speedstep. When I show it does (yes me the idiot who knows nothing!) he then states it is his motherboard, but he still won't tell us what motherboard. In addition he gives people incorrect advice about turning off speed step. I draw my own conclusions here. PS John wrong again speedstep is not just for reducing battery on laptops. It produces a power saving for people running desktops. That means if you have an office stacked full of desktops you save money. For a person who does not like people to make assumptions you make a lot of them. I've counted at least 3 or 4 wrong assumptions in this thread so far.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2012/12/04 14:24:49
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 14:25:49
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I'd love to use my Sonar X2 with Win 8 but until someone shows some consideration for V-Studio Users, it ain't gonna happen. Coming up for 2 months since I upgraded and never been able to record a note. Thanks Cakewalk, your customer support is bowffin'. (old Scottish term!)
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/04 16:38:35
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alangeddes I'd love to use my Sonar X2 with Win 8 but until someone shows some consideration for V-Studio Users, it ain't gonna happen. Coming up for 2 months since I upgraded and never been able to record a note. Thanks Cakewalk, your customer support is bowffin'. (old Scottish term!) Sorry - the old Scottish term begs a question on old Scots: Do kilts allow the breeze to pass through, or is it only updrafts that freshen the bag pipes? Just wondering. bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re:Windows 8 Support by Sonar X2
2012/12/05 04:39:38
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The turbo effect keeps the tackle at the right temperature and in a constant state of readiness for action! But never having worn one, I can only speculate...
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