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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/10/31 23:16:41
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Improvements are great, but I certainly can't use Win 8 here. - MOTU PCI424 drivers crash in Win 8
- No driver support for Roland MIDI interfaces at all
- Much more susceptible to DPCs than Windows 7
On the same hardware, I found I could use USB peripherals in Windows 7 with no problem. Those same devices seem to generate DPCs in Windows 8 that cause audio glitches I simply cannot solve. This is even with updated drivers. So none of those Win 8 improvements are of any use to me.
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jm24
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/10/31 23:26:39
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I find the new start menu to be mostly stupid compared to a properly organized start menu.
And I have to search for a bunch of arbitrarily moved settings.
And such stupid stuff as 2 different power settings dialogs.
And: I want to use adobe reader, not the metro APP.
But, the touch screen interface works fine for touch screens, sorta.
Except installing a bunch of programs results in dozens of tiles. And another dozens of hidden shortcuts, without a way to organize them.
And when the windows explorer is used to organize with new folders, some of the tiles icons are replaced with the default windows icon.
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/10/31 23:30:17
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But I am really liking the total lack of 3D gui crap.
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 07:25:17
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I have a sizeable amount of hardware so it is unlikely i will be rushing onto win8..
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 11:59:09
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I suggest to all: create a new partition for w8.
Install essential drivers and programs.
update at least weekly and test
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Dr. Mac
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 14:26:52
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UPDATE...
I got jBridge working with Windows 8. Essentially, Windows 8 creates a load of permissions issues for applications, plugins, etc. I was able to fix this by doing the following:
1. For all executables in the jBridge program folder --> Properties --> Run as Administrator
2. Sonar X2 exe --> Properties --> Run as Administrator
3. Run the jBridger.exe app. Choose to store bridged plugins in a designated folder. I put this folder just off of the Program Files\Cakewalk\ directory and called it MyBridgedPlugins. I also made sure that the folder had Read/Write permissions (The /vstplugins directory is read-only but can be changed)
4. Go back into Sonar and FOR ALL plugins that use jBridge, click plugin properties, uncheck "load with jBridge wrapper" and save. Now, go back in an check "load with jBridge wrapper" and save. This places the .jbridge files for each plugin in this new little folder you created in step 3.
I know that some of this may be overkill, but it works! I you have no permissions issues, you can probably skip steps 3 and 4.
cheers,
IanM
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Dr. Mac
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 14:29:50
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It was asked how FF800 works with Windows 8... someone already answered, but I can echo the fact it is working PERFECTLY for me on Windows 8. I've never had to work about my RME equipment. ROCK SOLID!
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Swiller
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 16:10:30
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soundtweaker
Swiller
What exactly is the benefit of windows 8 over windows 7.
Having been buggered with a transition from xp to windows 7, with a Yamaha 01x and mlan becoming redundant , once bitten ...
But win 7 offered more than 4gb rAm and 64 bit so kinda worth it.
I don't see windows 8 offering anything like that milestone.
Kinda wondering whether it is real daft to upgrade to win 8. I mean why are people bothering??
Some Win 8 improvements.
Native USB 3.0 stack, reduced boot time, Significantly lower memory footprint, ability to boot from USB Flash drives, Storage Spaces (virtualized storage pools), a new files system (ReFS), improved SSD support and performance, Touchscreen support, built-in antivirus and spyware protection, improved automatic updating system (less frequent reboot required updates), built in support for creating system images and full system restore, Improved multi-monitor support, built-in ISO mounting, Instant-On and Improved Power Settings, built-in VHD mounting, built-in PDF support, automatic cloud based backup of system settings, personal files, and Metro applications, a new Apple Time Capsule like interface for Shadow Copy, drastically improved task manager, drastically improved file management allowing you to pause file copying jobs and finish them later, Secure Boot rootkit proof when combined with UEFI, Hyper-V, various reviews of the beta candidate builds confirm noticeably improved performance over Windows 7 SP1. And that's just a small sample of the various desktop related improvements.
My point exactly. Ie not worth the risk if you have kit with no win 8 drivers, or early ones just released. I am talking sonar, soundcards,vstis,editors etc. All of the above are not reasons to upgrade if you have a stable win 7 system. Most of the above are easily accommodated with third party software or spending the dollar on hardware upgrades such as ram. Lots you can totally live without, like instant on for example. Mine boots up in about 8 seconds, just enough time to scratch my bollox before I write the next multi million selling album. FireWire seems severely lacking and no USB 3 soundcards on the market yet to replace them. I suppose my point is, it's a bit silly to dive in at a cost, when the benefits simply are in no way tangible yet, in fact you could argue it is more liklely to be detrimental to an existing studio setup. For me there is nothing beneficial yet for owners of a daw. :)
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bobguitkillerleft
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/01 21:55:22
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Hi there,ALL knowing ones  , I have absolutely NO intention of moving/$pending more money,to move to W8[Windows 7 on 2 machines,1x H.Premium x64,1xProfessional x64],after the last few months of internet "impulse" buying of Waves plugins,even though I apparently got $2,200 of plugs/bundles,for a total of $660,by using the $200 "voucher" offer's,and other "1 off" deals,all through the Waves online store. Of course,I also upgraded to X2[an absolute bargain at $99]and bought yet another Audio Interface-a cheap[for here]$279,inc. shipping-N.I. Komplete Audio 6 USB 2.0,which I have to say,is performing excellently,especially for the price,and can track with THD/Amplitube/Guitar Rig,plus other plugs,in "real time" NO problem[without resorting to "direct monitoring,which was impossible with my UA-25EX USB 1.1,on my laptop]. Anyway,before going even more wildly"off topic",I'm asuming I can continue with Windows 7 for the forseeable future?[W7 is my FIRST EVER foray into computing,albeit a couple months on a P3/XP machine,before entering DAW/SONAR land at my join date] So although it's 18 months with X1 Studio,X1d Producer Exp.,and now X2 PE.,I'm still,pretty much a newby to computing in general,and don't need/want,to move to Windows 8,and as with those who are still clinging to "XP",I'm [desperately]hoping,I won't be forced to change,for quite a while,is "this"going to be possible?? Cheeries Bob
post edited by bobguitkillerleft - 2012/11/01 22:46:46
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soundtweaker
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 01:40:51
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Swiller
soundtweaker
Swiller
What exactly is the benefit of windows 8 over windows 7.
Having been buggered with a transition from xp to windows 7, with a Yamaha 01x and mlan becoming redundant , once bitten ...
But win 7 offered more than 4gb rAm and 64 bit so kinda worth it.
I don't see windows 8 offering anything like that milestone.
Kinda wondering whether it is real daft to upgrade to win 8. I mean why are people bothering??
Some Win 8 improvements.
Native USB 3.0 stack, reduced boot time, Significantly lower memory footprint, ability to boot from USB Flash drives, Storage Spaces (virtualized storage pools), a new files system (ReFS), improved SSD support and performance, Touchscreen support, built-in antivirus and spyware protection, improved automatic updating system (less frequent reboot required updates), built in support for creating system images and full system restore, Improved multi-monitor support, built-in ISO mounting, Instant-On and Improved Power Settings, built-in VHD mounting, built-in PDF support, automatic cloud based backup of system settings, personal files, and Metro applications, a new Apple Time Capsule like interface for Shadow Copy, drastically improved task manager, drastically improved file management allowing you to pause file copying jobs and finish them later, Secure Boot rootkit proof when combined with UEFI, Hyper-V, various reviews of the beta candidate builds confirm noticeably improved performance over Windows 7 SP1. And that's just a small sample of the various desktop related improvements.
My point exactly. Ie not worth the risk if you have kit with no win 8 drivers, or early ones just released. I am talking sonar, soundcards,vstis,editors etc.
All of the above are not reasons to upgrade if you have a stable win 7 system. Most of the above are easily accommodated with third party software or spending the dollar on hardware upgrades such as ram. Lots you can totally live without, like instant on for example. Mine boots up in about 8 seconds, just enough time to scratch my bollox before I write the next multi million selling album. FireWire seems severely lacking and no USB 3 soundcards on the market yet to replace them. I suppose my point is, it's a bit silly to dive in at a cost, when the benefits simply are in no way tangible yet, in fact you could argue it is more liklely to be detrimental to an existing studio setup. For me there is nothing beneficial yet for owners of a daw.
:)
Yea if you dont want better performance Windows 8 is not for you.
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soundtweaker
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 01:41:58
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gswitz
@soundtweaker
I attempted to install Win8 on a Bootable USB Flashdrive. I was not successful to install it on a removable drive and then boot to that drive. Can you give links or information about how to do this?
I boot my work laptop to Linux this way, but I have not been successful at doing this with Windows.
I have found the 'Improved Power Settings' kinda a pain personally. It's strange to not know how to force a full shutdown. Either doing it using the shutdown command or calling restart do the trick, but it's a bit odd.
BTW, the ability to make an iso on a bootable flash drive I don't care about at all. You can just mount the iso. I don't care about that a jot. If I could install windows and x2 on a portable drive and plug it in to any computer I want and boot to it, that would be a whole different story.
Just do a search for Windows To Go.
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bobguitkillerleft
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 05:49:08
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bobguitkillerleft
Hi there,ALL knowing ones,
I have absolutely NO intention of moving/$pending more money,to move to W8[Windows 7 on 2 machines,1x H.Premium x64,1xProfessional x64],after the last few months of internet "impulse" buying of Waves plugins,even though I apparently got $2,200 of plugs/bundles,for a total of $660,by using the $200 "voucher" offer's,and other "1 off" deals,all through the Waves online store.
Of course,I also upgraded to X2[an absolute bargain at $99]and bought yet another Audio Interface-a cheap[for here]$279,inc. shipping-N.I. Komplete Audio 6 USB 2.0,which I have to say,is performing excellently,especially for the price,and can track with THD/Amplitube/Guitar Rig,plus other plugs,in "real time" NO problem[without resorting to "direct monitoring,which was impossible with my UA-25EX USB 1.1,on my laptop].
Anyway,before going even more wildly"off topic",I'm asuming I can continue with Windows 7 for the forseeable future?[W7 is my FIRST EVER foray into computing,albeit a couple months on a P3/XP machine,before entering DAW/SONAR land at my join date]
So although it's 18 months with X1 Studio,X1d Producer Exp.,and now X2 PE.,I'm still,pretty much a newby to computing in general,and don't need/want,to move to Windows 8,and as with those who are still clinging to "XP",I'm [desperately]hoping,I won't be forced to change,for quite a while,is "this"going to be possible??
Cheeries
Bob
Spose I'll just guess,like I always have,for some bleedin reason :{
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maximumpower
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 06:14:32
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bobguitkillerleft
Hi there,ALL knowing ones,
I have absolutely NO intention of moving/$pending more money,to move to W8[Windows 7 on 2 machines,1x H.Premium x64,1xProfessional x64],after the last few months of internet "impulse" buying of Waves plugins,even though I apparently got $2,200 of plugs/bundles,for a total of $660,by using the $200 "voucher" offer's,and other "1 off" deals,all through the Waves online store.
Of course,I also upgraded to X2[an absolute bargain at $99]and bought yet another Audio Interface-a cheap[for here]$279,inc. shipping-N.I. Komplete Audio 6 USB 2.0,which I have to say,is performing excellently,especially for the price,and can track with THD/Amplitube/Guitar Rig,plus other plugs,in "real time" NO problem[without resorting to "direct monitoring,which was impossible with my UA-25EX USB 1.1,on my laptop].
Anyway,before going even more wildly"off topic",I'm asuming I can continue with Windows 7 for the forseeable future?[W7 is my FIRST EVER foray into computing,albeit a couple months on a P3/XP machine,before entering DAW/SONAR land at my join date]
So although it's 18 months with X1 Studio,X1d Producer Exp.,and now X2 PE.,I'm still,pretty much a newby to computing in general,and don't need/want,to move to Windows 8,and as with those who are still clinging to "XP",I'm [desperately]hoping,I won't be forced to change,for quite a while,is "this"going to be possible??
Cheeries
Bob
You can get Microsoft's End of Support information from here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle It looks like Mainstream support for Windows 7 ends Jan 1 2015. So you have a couple more years of bug and security fixes from MS. While I like Windows 8 and am happy I upgraded, it seems to me if your Windows 7 install is working, your money was better spent on all the things you purchased :-)
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Glyn Barnes
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 06:19:36
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bobguitkillerleft
I'm [desperately]hoping,I won't be forced to change,for quite a while,is "this"going to be possible??
Cheeries
Bob
Spose I'll just guess,like I always have,for some bleedin reason :{
Nobody knows, any answer you get will be a guess. My guess is windows 7 will be supported by DAW and plugin manufactures for some time yet (2-3 years), but who knows how long? For example XP support went on for ever, with many manufactures dropping XP at the same at time they dropped Vista. Remember if you don't upgrade your software it should carry on working on your current OS indefinitely. I am in a situation now where some of my latest updates work on, but are not supported on my Vista O/S. I am certainly reluctant to upgrade to Windows 7 now its been replaced and still hoping to replace my DAW with a new Windows 8 machine some time next year. I could update my current DAW to Win 8 for about 28 UK pounds which is a very good deal, but I really don't want to go down the route of reinstalling, relicensing and reconfiguring everything at the moment and then having to do it again when I get a new DAW.
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bobguitkillerleft
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 06:26:51
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Thank you,I was hoping a 2/3 year grace,as a better guess,than "no idea at all",anyone who digs "YesSongs" has to have some idea,the Steve Howe slide/pedal steel[?] parts at the end of "And you and I",will haunt me forever[in a good way!]. Cheers Bob Edit: Thank you too maximumpower,for the link,and the relief,that although I;m skint,I spent it alright!
post edited by bobguitkillerleft - 2012/11/02 06:33:06
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 11:49:11
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> Yea if you dont want better performance Windows 8 is not for you.
I don't see any noticable performance benefits. I would adjust it thus...
If you dont need better performance Windows 8 is not for you. With Windows 8 you might see a performance benefit depending on how slow your PC is. And if you don't have the right tried and tested device drivers for Win8 just don't bother for now.... and if you've running Vista or earlier you probably have no choice but to upgrade to Win8 if you want to run X2.
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Dr. Mac
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Re:Windows 8 - WARNING
2012/11/02 13:19:49
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Probably too late to mention this, but Office Max was selling the upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $39 ($69 minus a $30 max perks rewards... essentially 30 duckets you can spend on anything you want).
cheers,
Ian
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