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Windows 8 X2 update question
OK I may be jumping the gun but after playing around with Windows 8 I've come to the conclusion that eventually all programs will become native Windows 8 programs that will run only through the "Modern" interface. So the question is . . . "What kind of update will we be getting when it comes to Windows 8?" Will it be something that would run on a "Surface" tablet windows 8 RTM version, or will it be just an update that runs from the desktop with windows 8 tweaks? What do you think?
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/08 17:51:49
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I don't think that will happen any time soon. Apps are not programs and I don't think there is a need for programs to become apps.
What you hasve is an OS that at the moment is able to use both with ease. Just enjoy it.
As far as Sonar X2 is concerned what the patch is said to offer is touch on touch screens. Keep in mind Windows 8 is touch able already. This includes the desktop.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/08 19:57:24
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> Windows 8 programs that will run only through the "Modern" interface.
Unlikely unless all apps are to become touch friendly needing big fat fingers to press and we throw away our mice, Kinect and keyboard. But if Microsoft has it's way - they maybe. Certainly not any time soon, of course all angry birds apps will be this way forever.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/08 20:24:44
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Well they will have to take my mouse from my cold dead hands! 
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 12:27:13
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well, "apps" are programs; "app" is an abbreviation of "application" as the modern world has trouble with multiple syllables
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 12:47:26
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pwal
well, "apps" are programs; "app" is an abbreviation of "application" as the modern world has trouble with multiple syllables
True as far as you go. But I am making a distinction as is MS. Apps are not meant to have the same abilities as normal programs. Further they are meant to be reliant on the internet and a touch surface. One example is the Calender in Vista. Its a full program with the ability to be printed and configured to the users needs. The one in Windows 8 is an app only and can do no printing or other basic stuff. Stuff we take for granted with programs. Perhaps someday when apps take over the world programs like Sonar will be one. Until then apps are not programs.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 13:18:44
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apps cannot use any outside code. a sonar app could not use external vsts. apps pay for a Microsoft code review and are only available from the Microsoft store. they must comply with inactive and shutdown guidelines. if your sonar app loses focus, it will lose ability to save state within ten seconds.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 13:32:39
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yes, sorry john, i was being pedantic as per, though i hope when apps take over the world they will have a better name... it'll be interesting to see how things pan out wrt to touchscreens etc, i'm not entirely convinced it's not just a halfway house to something else (help us obi-wan!)
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 14:14:29
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There's metro "apps" and standard applications (they are both "programs" if you like,and both are applications). Either way both will contain executable files. Metro apps will be easier to compile/build on the Windows mobile platform for developers and access similar programming libraries (cutdown version of .NET I suspect), consequently it's unlikely these "apps" are going to consume much horse-power for now.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2012/11/09 14:38:36
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 16:30:27
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pwal
yes, sorry john, i was being pedantic as per, though i hope when apps take over the world they will have a better name... it'll be interesting to see how things pan out wrt to touchscreens etc, i'm not entirely convinced it's not just a halfway house to something else (help us obi-wan!)
I hear you loud and clear. I have much the same concerns.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 17:50:00
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Im dreading the day touch screens become the norm... i am far more into reclining in my chair like a lazy sloth and clicking on the mouse til im outta breath.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 18:02:56
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my understanding is that app developers will not even be able to deploy to their own devices with out going through the windows store. I cannot write an app that anyone can voluntarily install unless I distribute it through the windows store. I have to submit my code for review first. this is similar to xbox. I can write games for it, but to deploy the game to my own xbox costs 150usd per year.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 18:05:21
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Yup that's why they are selling the OS on the cheap, they are abandoning the idea that OS's will make money in future, and it's all about apps and (possibly) hardware. In a nutshell M$ wants to be Apple.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 19:04:23
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The money isnt in the hardware. The hardware is the hook into the ecosystem. Once you have their hardware they make money off the apps and services.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 19:07:12
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Im dreading the day touch screens become the norm... i am far more into reclining in my chair like a lazy sloth and clicking on the mouse til im outta breath.
Just because touchscreens will be the norm doesnt mean you have to use them as touchscreens. Touch pads and touch mice work well with the desktop in Windows 8 especially after MS just released the updated drivers for their touch mouse.
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 19:20:04
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> The money isnt in the hardware.
Like I said "and (possibly) hardware" and for good reason.
Their surface netbook is their first venture into hardware (or one of their first ventures anyway for ages) that holds their OS which isn't just badged by them. The Microsoft Surface is not being sold at a loss. Why then does MS supply hardware when OEM's and third parties have produced this sort of hardware in the past and MS has just supplied the software?
Only these possibilities I think
a) They want to see if they can own it all, hardware and software like apple.
b) They want to diversify into hardware so they may have something to fall back on/expand their horizons
c) They want to set a good example for OEM's to follow. i.e. set the bar...
d) This is their insurance plan in case OEM's may abandon them in the years to come.
I suspect it's all of these reasons
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Re:Windows 8 X2 update question
2012/11/09 21:58:18
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@CakeAlexS.... Sometimes I think they thought they could provide a better product and cut some development corners by doing all the software themselves, from drivers to OS. No Hardware Abstraction Layer burdening them like it burdens Windows. Owning the supply chain I kinda think was a risky choice. I loved apple in 1984-88 or so. They still make great products, but I get more of what I want for my limited resources by staying away from Apple now.
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