EricDeluxe
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Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
Perhaps in the wrong forum, but not sure where to place this thread... Sorry if misplaced. As I understand it, Microsoft and Apple are leaving the FW technology. Thus it may not seem as a surprise that Windows 8 don't have the option to use the 1394 OHCI (Legacy) drivers which were included in Windows 7. However, this tend to be a problem for us running audio cards with FW interfaces. Under windows 7 I had to run my Motu Ultralite MK3 with the Legacy drivers to get rid of the cracks/pops. When now installing Windows 8 (x64) the problem have returned. I found this link with some potential help with this, but haven't tried it yet. http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=15505 Have others come acrosss this problems under Windows 8 (64 bit), Sonar X1 Producer and Motu (or other) FW card)? Thanks!
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 18:43:53
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You can see the end of FW happing really soon.
I would sell the Motu (non Hybrid) and buy the Motu Hybid, that lets you use USB and Firewire.
Sorry, i dont have a solution
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 18:49:27
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On the m-audio site, they suggest that you copy the Windows 7 legacy drivers to a safe place before upgrading to Windows 8. Then if you have issues, you can use the Windows 7 legacy drivers. There is an extra step required to get them to install in Windows 8 but it is supposedly doable.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 18:57:29
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With the latest Focusrite drivers they recommend you switch away from the legacy drivers (previously recommended) and back to the default (Windows 7). I'm wondering if m-audio may have changed their stance with their latest drivers too.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 19:17:15
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Well, I have the Motu Hybrid card, so guess I should try the USB instead. Might work good anyway, I have a pretty decent DAW in terms of CPU and Dram power.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 21:01:47
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/10/31 21:28:49
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Hmm, got a bit confused here... http://blog.cakewalk.com/windows-8-a-benchmark-for-music-production-applications/ The test states that running in Desktop mode under windows 8 shouldn't change anything from windows 7 "...There are no changes to how drivers work as far as desktop applications go, so its very likely that your Windows 7 drivers will work on Windows 8 without modification..." PS - I run a PCI Express card with Texan Instrument chipset for my Firewire. Even though I run Windows 8 (64) shouldn't this work any way?
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 06:32:21
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ErikDeluxe
Hmm, got a bit confused here...
http://blog.cakewalk.com/windows-8-a-benchmark-for-music-production-applications/
The test states that running in Desktop mode under windows 8 shouldn't change anything from windows 7
"...There are no changes to how drivers work as far as desktop applications go, so its very likely that your Windows 7 drivers will work on Windows 8 without modification..."
PS - I run a PCI Express card with Texan Instrument chipset for my Firewire. Even though I run Windows 8 (64) shouldn't this work any way?
FWIW I have a regular PCI 3 port firewire card (with TI chipset) and it is working in Windows 8 (64). I did not install any special drivers. One was installed during the Windows 8 upgrade.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 10:06:21
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PS - I run a PCI Express card with Texan Instrument chipset for my Firewire. Even though I run Windows 8 (64) shouldn't this work any way? It all depends. It could work or it could not work. Each situation is different and the smallest variable can make or break it. There are no guarantees of it working good CJ
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 11:16:44
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Eric: for starters lest install chipset/inf drivers for your motherboard thats running win8.. goto motherboard home page / support / drivers / chipset/inf win8. You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS!
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 12:20:52
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You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS! There's something we can agree on... 
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 14:34:37
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Thanks for your input. Not sure what the "inf" means. However I have downloaded the latest Chipset for my motherboard (Asus P8Z77-V Pro Thunderbolt). I have updated most drivers and bios. I will install the chipset update and see if that helps. StarTekh
Eric: for starters lest install chipset/inf drivers for your motherboard thats running win8.. goto motherboard home page / support / drivers / chipset/inf win8. You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS!
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 15:39:13
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Erik: how are you doing with the chipset drivers ? you might have to read a little if you need todo this : How to install Legacy IEEE 1394 Firewire driver in Windows 8 x86 MOTU
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EricDeluxe
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 20:50:09
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I have installed the updates now. No success.
I Switched to USB instead. No success either even if it played ok (2.9 ms on 128). FW had 2.8 ms on 128, so minor improvement in terms of latency. However the pops were fewer with FW. I mostly hear clicks/pops when closing a 3rd party plugins in Sonar X2 Producer. (64 bit) on Windows 8. Perhaps a software problem more than hardware. Well. guess I need to try some more...
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 21:46:12
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Jim Roseberry
You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS!
There's something we can agree on...
Guys guys... why do you need firewire to browse the interweb, check the weather, and read email? I don't get it... 
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/01 23:08:27
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Assuming you are running Intel turn off Speedstep in the BIOS, AMD it's PowerNow.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 08:49:41
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Hey Whats Speedstep doing? Any flaws that may occur for other funcions for Win 8 by turning it if ? CakeAlexS
Assuming you are running Intel turn off Speedstep in the BIOS, AMD it's PowerNow.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 11:09:51
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I once again tried to run my FW card over a PCI Express card with TI chipset. For now it works pretty well (Asio drivers).
It seem that my problem were more related to 32 bit pugins. A lot of them don't work very well (yet?) in Windows 8. I will uninstall those that don't work, and go for the 64 bit mainly.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 11:30:49
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keith
Jim Roseberry
You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS!
There's something we can agree on...
Guys guys... why do you need firewire to browse the interweb, check the weather, and read email? I don't get it...
Imagine that you have paid hundreds of dollars for a Firewire audio interface - maybe just recently - and now you are being told that the new Windows OS "may" not support it. "Get" it now? 
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 14:03:32
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I always felt/informed decision, FireWire was superior to USB because it was designed for media throughput.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 14:14:00
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yep, that's what we been told over the years...
However, hopefully we will see good Thunderbolt cards in a near future;) With less I/O than Apogees big audio interface.
But maybe thats overkill for a smaller home studio anyway;)
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 20:17:40
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/02 23:28:03
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EricDeluxe
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/04 15:14:32
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hehe, sorry, late respons;)
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/04 20:00:01
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>>You can see the end of FW happing really soon , this is total BS!
> There's something we can agree on...
>> I Switched to USB instead. No success
>> I once again tried to run my FW card over a PCI Express card with TI chipset. For now it works pretty well (Asio drivers).
On that basis I predict the end of USB then ;) !!!!!!! (only kidding). Firewire will be here for a little longer though, just like USB.
Standards with USB anyway suck anyway, some motherboard manufacturers have never been that much good at implementing it. It's firewire all the way for me, I'd rather have a dedicated interface than use the same interface I plug my kitchen sink into.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/04 22:01:15
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"As I understand it, Microsoft and Apple are leaving the FW technology."
Then its really too bad we cant leave them....
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/05 01:41:36
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Linux??;)
Well, for now my FW works flawless. I turned of the Motu_ZeroConf service, and uninstalled a couple of 32 bit plugins that wasn't working in Sonar anyway. Good for now.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/05 11:15:44
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"As I understand it, Microsoft and Apple are leaving the FW technology."
Sorry bull, Microsoft still supports PS/2 mice and keyboards, and RGB monitors.... go figure!
And not only Microsoft that comes up with drivers, so do third parties.
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/05 11:16:58
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Looked at Linux the other day. If you want to be reminded how sequencing was done in the 80's then Linux may well be the ticket. A lot of people have fond memories (including me!).
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Re:Windows 8 legacy drivers for Firewire? Pops/cracks are back...
2012/11/05 11:50:08
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Hmm... well it depends. Music software in Linux is not latest and newest, but to say it is like using software in DOS is a bit exaggerated. I use a Linux workstation at one location and Sonar (and windows) on another location. The software I use most (there is a lot more) is: Ardour: http://ardour.org/ Rosegarden: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/ Muse: http://www.muse-sequencer.org/ And for music notation Musescore: http://musescore.org/ As plugins I use the native Linux plugins, but also a lot of Windows plugins (using Wine and WineASIO). The fun of Linux is you can use the window manager you like. Personally I use KDE on Debian, but you are free to use what you like. And do not forget Linux is also 64 bit, so you can utilize your full memory.. Anyway - Linux is very well usable. Although the platform is relatively small (in numbers) it has good support by their users (and developers).
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