Cactus Music
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Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
OK I know this isn't the Software forum but admit it, there's very few people using the sub forums so here is the only forum we really need.
I'm rebuilding my office computer with a few new upgrades.
I figured why not bring everything up to date including installing Windows 8.1.
I see the plain version is only $100. The Pro version is around $250.
As far as I can tell all you get with pro is a bunch of features aimed at networking in an office. I certainly don't think I need any of it. Right now I'm using W7 Home Premium and it seems fine.
So is the plain Jane version all we need for running Sonar?
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 10:15:28
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What's the top end for RAM in Win 8.1 home or whatever.
That's the limiting factor in 7, the 16gb of ram in 7 Home.
I see a few listing 32gb, isn't that the new "standard"?
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Cactus Music
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 11:12:05
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Good point Tom. I find there is absolutely no real information on the Micro soft web site, just a bunch of flowery descriptions of how wonderful life will be with Windows 8.
I have W7 Ultimate on my main DAW, but I do use my office / internet / entertainment computer as a back up system. I have Sonar and Wave Lab installed and that's where my old Tascam Interface is living now. It's using a 32" LCD as a monitor and we watch movies and I play my music collection too.
It seems another change is you have to "buy" Windows media player?
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 11:38:37
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Physical Memory Limits: Windows 8The following table specifies the limits on physical memory for Windows 8. VersionLimit on X64 Windows 8 Enterprise 512 GB Windows 8 Professional 512 GB Windows 8 128 GB http://msdn.microsoft.com...emory_limits_windows_8memory should not be an issue
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 13:14:48
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 13:18:21
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Where are the motherboards within reasonable cost that can support more than 32G of RAM?
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Cactus Music
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 21:46:23
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Thanks Alex , ya I found that too, It's just plain stupid that Mirco Snoft doesn't have any sort of spec info regarding the different versions. I even had the little "can we help you today" window pop up and I asked for a link to a comparison chart and they politely quoted the differences, in other words, there is no comparison chart.
Seems there's really nothing in Pro that would be of any use to me. It certainly is a big jump in price.
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/15 22:22:57
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Well you could upgrade to Pro later if required..
In regards to media player I've come to the conclusion it's an outdated piece of crap/resource hog. No real changes for years, I uninstalled it and I'm using JRiver now which is a zillion times better (you can trial it as well).... Cheers..
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 11:19:17
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mixmkr
Where are the motherboards within reasonable cost that can support more than 32G of RAM?
Other than "Server" motherboards, only socket 2011 supports more than 32GB (most support 64GB). MSI has a model that supports eight 16GB sticks of RAM, but 16GB sticks aren't currently available (so you top out at 64GB for the time being). 
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 11:42:34
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I don't think it matters practically. Little things like sharing the same drive under multiple names. Kinda goofy stuff most people don't need or want is available with Enterprise and pro.
From a daw perspective, I don't think it will matter.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 12:11:11
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I believe you must have Enterprise of Pro if you want to do Remote Desktop Connections. This is helpful if you want to have a remote Touch Screen device such as a MS Surface or Dell Venue act as a control surface.
Regards,
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Cactus Music
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 12:18:36
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Thanks everyone, I think I'm ordering the $99 simple version, as Alex said, I'm sure there's always an upgrade path. This is for my office computer first so I can test it out without screwing my DAW up. If I like it, I'll go with W8.1 when I rebuild my DAW next winter. Summers here, time to get out and play gigs. Just about finished our album so studio will be gathering dust for a while.
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 14:14:05
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Next PC I build I will being going for a MOBO with Thunderbolt port.
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DeeringAmps
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 22:49:14
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When I order my next daw it will be win7 pro.
Just sayin' ...
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/17 23:01:05
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Used both a lot. Still using both. Version 8.1.1 is better, certainly multitasking is a LOT better. It's debatable whether it's worth upgrading to Win 8.1.1 from Win 7, but with a new PC would definately recommend 8.1.1 .. Older versions of Windows 8 are inferior (in retrospect I feel it was released prematurely), it feels pretty mature now.
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/06/17 23:13:45
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Cactus Music
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/18 00:43:24
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It's funny when ever they release a new OS or even Sonar, you are best to wait a bit till the smoke clears and there is a bit of dust on it. I think the dust has half settled on Windows 8.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/07/22 12:19:40
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/22 11:27:59
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I don't know about everyone else but Win 8 and Win 8.1 is "for the birds". If there were any way to avoid going to either I would avoid it in a heartbeat! I haven't put up the cash to go to a MAC. I wish we could get billions of folks to use Ununtu or some other Lniux OS. I've managed to install the "Classic Shell" so as to get back as close to an XP user interface as I can; but, every once in a while Win 8/8.1 raises its ugly head and tries to sell be some crap they call "APPS". I've read somewhere that even Bill Gates has registered his scathing remarks concerning Win 8 ... anyone else heard that?
post edited by cpkoch - 2014/06/22 11:36:50
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/22 12:23:38
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I don't understand the negative comments about Windows 8. I have had a great time with it. I also like that one OS will let me use all apps and programs I want to use. I too use Classic Shell but I also use the Start Screen. I find it very handy as I do Classic Shell. What I use the most is the Task Bar. This is where I have all most used programs. One click and I'm in a program. Things run smoothly with Windows 8 and I also think its the most secure OS Microsoft has yet offered. It starts up quickly and goes directly to the Desktop. I am running Windows 8.1.1 Pro 64 bit. My main programs are Sonar X3 and Vegas Pro 13 with Aftershot Pro 2 and PantShop Pro X5. All are 64 bits and Windows 8 runs them very well indeed. Having dual monitors I find Windows 8 supports them better then past OSs. Clearly I have good time with Windows 8 and think it is so far the best OS Microsoft has yet produced. 
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cpkoch
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/22 15:43:09
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What you say is all well and good; but again, why is it that you have Classic Shell loaded? Seems to me that W-8 is a very sorry attempt to do the annoyiung thing that Apple does with their IOS ... sell apps ... sell apps ... sell aps.
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/22 16:17:04
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cpkoch
What you say is all well and good; but again, why is it that you have Classic Shell loaded? Seems to me that W-8 is a very sorry attempt to do the annoyiung thing that Apple does with their IOS ... sell apps ... sell apps ... sell aps.
Selling apps is not a a bad idea. Who would have thought a software maker would want to sell software? In order to use an app from Apple you have to have a an Apple iPad or iPhone. Also there are tons of free apps for Windows. They run on a phone a tablet and a desktop. I use Classic Shell because I can. I like it for the added value it offers and I like the guy that wrote it. I don't think you have that choice with a Mac.
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Re: Windows 8.1 regular or Pro for DAW ?
2014/06/22 19:52:43
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Yup you will probably have a store app within or running alongside Sonar soon where you can automatically download your updates and buy your plugins and content. But that's another thread :).
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