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2016/05/24 12:59:20 (permalink)

Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC

Sometime back (Dec 2012), I've purchased a Windows 8 Pro license at a good low price and I've received the product key, still unused and is intended for my future DAW PC (that I'm expecting to setup soon) - and to upgrade to Windows 10 before the deadline of July 29.
 
Reading on the Pro vs Home features such as
- join a domain
- BitLocker (don't need this encryption .. will slow down disk access)
- group policy management
- remote desktop <- especially this that I don't need to prevent any sort of possible ..erm..hacking ?
- etc..(don't need all of the Pro features really)
 
I'm beginning to wonder if a Home version is better off for DAW use ? Which version do you use ?
 
I've also read that in case of future hardware change after activation, the "retail" version can be re-activated easily, but not the OEM version. Can I assume that the version (Windows 8 Pro) that I purchased must be the retail version ? The invoice simply print "Windows 8 Pro".

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/24 13:31:49 (permalink)
The main difference you have outlined plus the amount of addressable RAM that can be used by the OS.

Now IIRC Win 10 Home can access 128 gigabytes of RAM, which is also assuming that your MoB bios can handle that much.  This is considerably more than Win 7 Home could address.

Check your MoB BIOS for addressable RAM, I use Win 10 home it appears to function fine.

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/24 14:27:54 (permalink)
Definitely HOME.
 
I just read an article this morning that the minimum requirements for Win10 32-bit are changing in July when the Win10 Anniversary edition is dropped on us. 32-bit Win10 will require a minimum of 2 GB of RAM instead of 1 GB. The minimum for 64-bit remains 2 GB.

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/24 16:55:50 (permalink)
You should have no problem running either Pro or Home with 16 GB of ram. Save yourself some money and trouble, and just clean install Win 10 Pro on your new DAW. You do not ever need to install the Windows 8 Pro, just download the free Win 10 upgrade 64 bit version via the Media Creation Tool, and install it on a clean drive . When asked for an installation key just type in the Windows 8 key that you have and it will install Win10Pro. You may lose a small amount of ram to the overhead in Pro vs Home, but probably not a significant amount running applications. As noted previously, the 32 bit version is likely to use nearly as much memory soon, and there is no other reason to prefer it. 
 
http://www.howtogeek.com/224342/how-to-clean-install-windows-10/
 
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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/24 19:58:43 (permalink)
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Sometime back (Dec 2012), I've purchased a Windows 8 Pro license at a good low price and I've received the product key, still unused and is intended for my future DAW PC (that I'm expecting to setup soon) - and to upgrade to Windows 10 before the deadline of July 29.
 
Reading on the Pro vs Home features such as
- join a domain
- BitLocker (don't need this encryption .. will slow down disk access)
- group policy management
- remote desktop <- especially this that I don't need to prevent any sort of possible ..erm..hacking ?
- etc..(don't need all of the Pro features really)
 
I'm beginning to wonder if a Home version is better off for DAW use ? Which version do you use ?
 
I've also read that in case of future hardware change after activation, the "retail" version can be re-activated easily, but not the OEM version. Can I assume that the version (Windows 8 Pro) that I purchased must be the retail version ? The invoice simply print "Windows 8 Pro".




 I think the retail version will say Full instead of Retail.  I was shopping around for W8 retail licenses and that was my conclusion.  Buying Windows licenses can be tricky.  The easiest way is to install it and find out. I have a thread that shows you how to find out if your OS is retail. 
 

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/24 21:30:14 (permalink)
Thanks for all the feedback.
 
If I don't have a license yet, Windows 10 Home Full Retail is the right choice. So, I'm going the direction of using my existing PRO since I've already purchased it.. but the following comparison of Windows 10 versions got me thinking otherwise
 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-10-editions
 
Specifically
- Windows Defender and Firewall is _not_ supported by Windows 10 Pro ?
- All the gaming features , especially Direct X 12 - not supported by Windows 10 Pro. Not that I'm a gamer yet, but it'll be a nice OS feature.
 
 

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 00:03:27 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the feedback.
 
If I don't have a license yet, Windows 10 Home Full Retail is the right choice. So, I'm going the direction of using my existing PRO since I've already purchased it.. but the following comparison of Windows 10 versions got me thinking otherwise
 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-10-editions
 
Specifically
- Windows Defender and Firewall is _not_ supported by Windows 10 Pro ?
- All the gaming features , especially Direct X 12 - not supported by Windows 10 Pro. Not that I'm a gamer yet, but it'll be a nice OS feature.
 
 




Where did you get that information? I did not see that nor do I believe.
DX12 is in all versions.  You need a card that supports it otherwise its DX11.
Defender is the new MSE.  You can choose to update Defender everyday in Pro.
 
For the average user Windows 10 Pro is good if you like to network stuff and to add more memory in hardware that isn't available yet for the common man.  Even Home which supports 128GB of RAM check out the prices of motherboards that support that much and then price 128gb of DDR4 RAM.
 
 

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 00:15:31 (permalink)
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tomixornot
Thanks for all the feedback.
 
If I don't have a license yet, Windows 10 Home Full Retail is the right choice. So, I'm going the direction of using my existing PRO since I've already purchased it.. but the following comparison of Windows 10 versions got me thinking otherwise
 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-10-editions
 
Specifically
- Windows Defender and Firewall is _not_ supported by Windows 10 Pro ?
- All the gaming features , especially Direct X 12 - not supported by Windows 10 Pro. Not that I'm a gamer yet, but it'll be a nice OS feature.
 
 




Where did you get that information? I did not see that nor do I believe.
DX12 is in all versions.  You need a card that supports it otherwise its DX11.
Defender is the new MSE.  You can choose to update Defender everyday in Pro.
 
For the average user Windows 10 Pro is good if you like to network stuff and to add more memory in hardware that isn't available yet for the common man.  Even Home which supports 128GB of RAM check out the prices of motherboards that support that much and then price 128gb of DDR4 RAM.
 



I'm all for the Home, but since I've already got the Pro, I just dig a bit more, never used a Pro before.
 
From this link :
 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-10-editions
 



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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 00:28:49 (permalink)
Looking at the chart again, I'm suspecting the middle column title (Mobile) should have the least feature - moving it to the end seems to make sense..

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 00:59:49 (permalink)
That information is incorrect.   

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 03:17:34 (permalink)
The simple answer is don't worry about it. For anything you do at home, the Home edition of Windows will do fine. Pro will also work fine, as it is a superset of Home, there is no feature in Home that is not also in Pro. It just costs more. So the Home version isn't better for a DAW, it is just not worse in any way. They are equal.
 
That graphic on Pro is 100% incorrect. I run Pro on my system and DX12 and Xbox controllers work fine. I'm not talking theoretically either, I have a DX12 card and I've run DX 12 software on it, and my Xbox Eilte controller is my favourite controller to use. Also Windows Defender is included in Pro and is enabled by default (personally I'd get a different virus scanner).
 
The only possible limit you could hit, and then only realistically in theory, is RAM. Home is limited to 128GB, Pro allows 2TB. That really is a non-issue as even the high end X99 boards only support 128GB, and normal desktops cap out at 32GB or 64GB. That aside, even if your system did support it, you probably wouldn't elect to put that much RAM in a system. Your P67 board supports 32GB max.
 
If you have a free license for Pro, go for it, there's nothing wrong with it. All the additional features are optional and are either off by default, or can be turned off. If you are paying, get Home as there's no reason to blow $80-100 more for Pro.
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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 07:49:48 (permalink)
Agreed. Pro can't be any less than Home. The column (for the lesser feature) must meant for the mobile version.
 
I think here is one advantage of Pro to us DAW users to be able to hold off updates during a busy session and at the same time connected to the internet :
 
source : http://blog.cakewalk.com/...s-10-music-production/
 
 
WINDOWS 10 AUTO UPDATES
 
There is a somewhat controversial change to how Windows update works in WIndows 10.
For Windows 10 Home users, there is no way to turn off automatic updates and they will be mandatory.
Windows 10 Pro users will have a little flexibility; they’ll be able to switch from the mainstream release to the “Current Branch for Business (CBB).”
This will give some control over when updates are deployed.
While the CBB will essentially track the consumer release, it will allow feature updates to be held back for some amount of time so you can prepare for the update.
Windows 10 Enterprise is the only OS for which users will be able to actually turn off Windows updates. By opting for the Long Term Servicing (LTS) branch, Enterprise users will be able to defer feature updates for years, electing to receive only security fixes during that time.

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 09:28:27 (permalink)
In terms of hardware support (RAM, disks, Firewire, USB, etc.), Home is perfectly adequate for a DAW. But I would still go with Pro. There's no risk, as you're only getting some extra features you may never need. The upgrade is free now but if you do Home now and change your mind later you'll have to pay for it. 
 
 


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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/25 12:37:23 (permalink)
Since you bought Win8 Pro, your upgrade to Win10 will also be Pro.
For most end users, there's no effective difference between Win10 Home and Pro.
 
One small advantage to Pro:
There's a registry tweak to "Prompt that Windows updates are available" (but to disable automatic download)

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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/26 01:27:34 (permalink)
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There's a registry tweak to "Prompt that Windows updates are available" (but to disable automatic download)




 
Hi Jim:
 
I was wondering if you could share that registry tweak?
 
I know of a setting under Settings>Update & Security>Advanced Options to "defer upgrades," but I would like to have control and be able to disable automatic downloads.


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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/26 03:24:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rob[at]Sound-Rehab 2016/05/30 05:17:15
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Re: Windows Home vs Pro for new DAW PC 2016/05/26 11:12:16 (permalink)
That may be the best argument for Pro. Not only can you defer updates, you can also specify the time of day that Windows checks for updates so as to avoid starting downloads during a DAW session. They don't make it easy anymore, but it can still be done. 
 
For Home users, one option is to disable the network during tracking sessions. Under XP, I used a batch file that killed/re-enabled the network. I suppose you could even replace your normal SONAR shortcut with a batch file that killed the network and then started SONAR. If you ever needed the net during a DAW session, e.g. to activate a new plugin, you'd just use the normal shortcut instead.
 


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