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Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
Just found an article but can't write links yet - it is on en. wikipedia exact name: History_of_the_graphical_user_interface
I didn't know that Apple borrowed this idea too, like Microsoft - both giants were not the first...
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/08 17:21:03
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Xerox was the first I believe. Go all the way back to Ventura Publisher, a windowed program before windows. I believe they also came up with the mouse.
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craigb
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/08 19:11:44
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A third device was also invented to be used in conjunction with a mouse. It was a one-handed keyboard (which I happen to still own one of). The idea being you leave one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse. It looks like this: 
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sharke
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/08 19:16:34
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My first experience with mice and computer desktops was with my trusty old Amiga 500. It was a huge step up from my first computer, a C64, and it just felt so futuristic to be able to point and click and have multiple windows open. I still think Workbench was an awesome OS.
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/08 19:29:18
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I agree with you Sharke. Both the Amiga and the Atari ST were really ahead of the curve. No idea why they failed, but my first midi studio was the 1040 ST and a room full of keyboards and modules. The Atari had midi ports and the interface built right in. It also used midi as a networking system.
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soens
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/08 22:12:37
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True -> Xerox. Had a friend who managed a Xerox store. He told me Xerox invented it for their products only and had no interest in marketing it or seeking a patent for it. Go figure some other clowns would "take" it and claim ownership and start suing everyone else who dares to implement such technology. I think if "they" really had the right to sue anyone they should also try suing Xerox. Don't actually know if they did try but I'd sure like to see how that one works out for them.
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bapu
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 01:16:50
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soens
True -> Xerox. Had a friend who managed a Xerox store. He told me Xerox invented it for their products only and had no interest in marketing it or seeking a patent for it. Go figure some other clowns would "take" it and claim ownership and start suing everyone else who dares to implement such technology. I think if "they" really had the right to sue anyone they should also try suing Xerox. Don't actually know if they did try but I'd sure like to see how that one works out for them.
My understanding is that Gates did not take it, but saw it at Xerox and requested to use the concept and Xerox was ok with it as they was not going to market it. That, IMO is not "taking" it (implied theft?).
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sharke
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 03:03:22
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I agree with you Sharke. Both the Amiga and the Atari ST were really ahead of the curve. No idea why they failed, but my first midi studio was the 1040 ST and a room full of keyboards and modules. The Atari had midi ports and the interface built right in. It also used midi as a networking system.
My first forays into electronic music were done on my Amiga using a crude 8-bit sampling cartridge and OctaMED, a tracker program. But yeah most people I knew who were using MIDI at the time had an Atari ST (and Cubase). I guess they couldn't compete with Windows after '95. I remember lots of talk of an awesome new Amiga OS which was going to be super lean and efficient, but I always knew it wouldn't come to anything. However I remember Amiga magazines kidding themselves that something great was around the corner right up to 2000 or so.
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soens
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 04:11:16
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bapu
soens
True -> Xerox. Had a friend who managed a Xerox store. He told me Xerox invented it for their products only and had no interest in marketing it or seeking a patent for it. Go figure some other clowns would "take" it and claim ownership and start suing everyone else who dares to implement such technology. I think if "they" really had the right to sue anyone they should also try suing Xerox. Don't actually know if they did try but I'd sure like to see how that one works out for them.
My understanding is that Gates did not take it, but saw it at Xerox and requested to use the concept and Xerox was ok with it as they was not going to market it. That, IMO is not "taking" it (implied theft?).
My understanding is that I wasn't referring to Gates but perhaps some others who have made a history of suing those (like Gates) every time they got the chance. Taking is obviously not theft if it's free for the taking. It's taking it and then calling it mine and you can't have it without a fight part that's ridiculous.... to me anyway.  btw, my friend agrees.
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Karyn
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 08:00:44
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My friend agrees as well.
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 10:08:52
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I believe it all originated in Xerox's PARC project. Pretty well documented in "JOBS" as well. 6 degrees of separation; seems we all have an acquaintance that was involved. And at least one that was at Woodstock too! ;-) T
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soens
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 15:56:39
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We must have agreeable friends.  Woodstock, however, didn't agree with me or my friends.
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bapu
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 16:03:02
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Karyn
My friend agrees as well.
If I had friends I would hope they would agree too.
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bapu
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 16:06:35
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As Windows is a product name, I feel like the title has a grammar error. Am I wrong?
Seems like it should read:
Windows was not invented by Apple or Microsoft.
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craigb
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/09 17:28:55
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My imaginary friends haven't stopped arguing long enough to agree... 
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/10 09:19:47
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My imaginary friends don't even agree about being called "friends."
They do agree about Xerox, however. When you think about it, Xerox had a graphical user interface, a mouse, and networked desktop computers in an R&D lab to predict how they could survive in a paperless office of the future. They're Xerox. Their entire existence was based on paper. It's not hard to figure out why their executives decided this technology was worthless.
I bet their wives still give them a hard time about it. "Oh, look at that! We've got email from our grandchildren. Isn't that amazing? I thought this fad was supposed to end decades ago. It's a good thing you made sure that we didn't get caught up in the technology revolution. I'm sure our grandchildren are happy that they won't have to inherit all that money. Don't you feel sorry for all of those billionaires who used the ideas from your lab? It's too bad you weren't around to tell Thomas Edison not to bother with the light bulb and the phonograph, too. How's your paper, dear?"
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craigb
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Re: Windows were not invented by Apple of Microsoft
2014/03/10 13:09:13
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I wonder if those execs get tired of their wives giving them the same meal every night for dinner...
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