Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion]

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2016/12/01 06:49:40 (permalink)

Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion]

Since the beginning of time I've hated being tethered by cords when playing guitars, placing speakers or wearing headphones. But because of latency issues wireless hasn't been all that useable in the studio.
 
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Bluetooth
KleerNet=around 18ms with a range of 100' and 8 channels of 24bit/96kHz quality
 
Wireless guitar transmitters can do 2-5 ms latency with 100' range. Is anyone recording with one?
 
To be effective, wireless should be a closed system with near 0 latency and 0 interference. Something I believe is grossly overlooked but very much attainable with little effort from the right developers.... We're waiting!
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    patm300e
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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/01 07:52:17 (permalink)
    I tried using a Bluetooth transmitter to transmit signals for monitors, but the latency was too large.
    The one thing that the Bluetooth can be used for is break music...
    The Bluetooth transmitter is connected to tablet or phone through headphone jack.
    Bluetooth Receiver is sent to channels 17/18.  Since the latency doesn't really matter.
     
     

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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/01 10:35:38 (permalink)
    I have these wireless headphones that use infrared transmission system, like a TV remote,, they seem to have zero latency, but you have to look at the little transmitter. If you turn your head you get nasty static. Bought them from Radio shack 10 years ago $80. 
     
    I also have a guitar wireless system but it's only use was for doing sound checks. That latency and you seem to loose drive to your amp.. 
    Face it, any wireless system for audio is going to trash the sound.. 

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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/01 11:16:20 (permalink)
    Have you looked into this one? It uses wi-fi. They are coy about actual latency numbers, though, which makes me suspect they're not good enough to brag about.
     



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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/01 14:06:31 (permalink)
    I stay away from all wireless gadgets (except PC keyboard and mouse) in the studio.
     
    Live is a different story, but there you need to buy the high end gear otherwise reliability will kill you ... but it is expensive and available frequency ranges in Europe have been reduced.
     
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    KleerNet=around 18ms with a range of 100' and 8 channels of 24bit/96kHz quality
     
    Wireless guitar transmitters can do 2-5 ms latency with 100' range. Is anyone recording with one?




    Bluetooth sucks. 18 ms latency is not usable.
     
    I'm sure my live bass guitar transmitter is below that 2-5 ms latency, still I would not think about using it
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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/02 10:56:14 (permalink)
    I don't think we'll ever see an unlicensed wireless system that will work for pro audio. I spent 20 years designing SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition) products and systems. Early systems used telephone interconnects. We started using radios in the late 70s. It was a challenge to get 600 baud audio working on those early RF systems. Even though dedicated (licensed) 900 MHz data radio frequencies and products for them existed, nobody wanted to spend the time and money on a licensed system, so they'd buy competitors products that "worked" on unlicensed frequency radios. Almost every one of those sales losses turned into a sales opportunity down the road when some elected official's basement flooded with sewage because a lift station down the street had a pump failure that went unnoticed because the control center couldn't communicate with the lift station controller due to interference.
     
    As soon as a failure significant enough to make the news occurred, I'd have the local sales guy set up an appointment with whoever had signature authority and I'd go in with 2 $25K pieces of RF test gear and proceed to show them just what RF interference looks like and why their fancy new system was never going to work. I made really good money cleaning up other peeps messes!
     
    Point being for this thread, there is SO much RF around nowadays that you're almost guaranteed some kind of interference. Just check the wi-fi in your neighborhood. My cell phone shows more than 20 other wi-fi routers in addition to my 3.
     
    Cheap, unlicensed wireless won't cut it for pro audio. Expensive, dedicated pro audio wireless systems will. Mostly.
     
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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/03 03:21:25 (permalink)
    The Line 6 Relay G10 caught my interest, but not nearly enough to shell out the money.
     
    http://line6.com/relay/g10
     
    I can't find anything definitive regarding latency, but I would guess around 2ms and this thread: http://line6.com/support/topic/20304-g10-feedback-on-latency-with-helix/ seems to suggest 1.5ms or so.  The reason I'd guess that value is that it doesn't have to do any processing other than pass a signal through an ADC and back out through a DAC, which are both pretty quick operations.
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    Re: Wireless Technology for the Studio [Discussion] 2016/12/03 19:08:41 (permalink)
    Kleer technology (HP Wireless Audio), which to date seems to have the best quality, appears to be all but dead. Every item I look up is out of stock or discontinued.
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