Telewanger
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Without Her Anymore
Here is a new tune. I was not sure what category to put it in. I don't know if it is country, crossover, pop or what? I wrote it, played all instruments, all vocals, and mixed it here at my home. I don't claim to be a great singer, but there's nobody else here but me. Please let me know what you think of the overall song. Any feedback will be great! Thanks, Without Her Anymore
post edited by Telewanger - 2011/03/02 09:27:42
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Re:Without Her Anymore
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Telewanger
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/02 10:04:14
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Thanks! Several people have told me that some of my songs sound like Harry Chapin. I have never heard of him. I will check him out. What should I do to the piano sound? I am using True Pianos 64 bit, but I can select different size and types of pianos and EQ them different.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/02 10:07:41
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Oh, I do know Harry Chapin music. I just never knew who the guy was but I have heard his songs for years. They just don't play his stuff on the radio anymore around here.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/02 12:17:01
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Hi Michael, nice song and arrangement. Nothing wrong with that voice imho. For me the piano could use a bit more sustain. Don't like the distorted guitar in the background it's to soft so it sounds like there is something wrong with my headphones. Overall , good job. Greetings, Rik
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/03 22:42:03
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Never tell people your singing sucks before they hear the tune, it just puts them in the frame of mind to agree with you. I do not agree. You can obviously sing, and it works just like guitar or piano, you get better the more you do it. If I put a 10th the work into my vocals as I do my guitar, even I could sing. This is good tune, well played, and well sung. I never know what chart to put my songs on because there is no chart for "Daryl Music" and that's the only thing it fits in. I wasn't wild about the lead break mostly because it didnt fit with the rest of the song. Which is unusal for me because I like ALL guitar playing. It wasn't bad it just seemed like it was from another song. I like this song. Daryl
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/03 23:21:13
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yep, very Harry Chapin sounding. that's not a bad thing. piano sound is pretty bad - there's no sustain or resonance from the strings - it's almost a harpsicord sound. I agree with the others that the guitar in the bridge does not fit the song. it's obvious when it comes in that something's out of place. by itself in another context would sound fine, but not here.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/03 23:33:18
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hmm, I actually didn't mind the bridge. I do agree that a better piano might help. Also it felt like some the instruments were a little indisinct. Maybe a bit of EQ would help (also maybe an exciter to give it an edge). Overall though nice tune.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/04 07:57:11
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Thanks for your comments! Okay, from about 10 forums here are the suggestions. 1) Get rid of the heavy lead guitar solo 2) Add reverb to the piano tracks 3) Make piano more of a filler and bring up acoustic guitars 4) Get rid of heavy distorted rhythm guitar or make it louder, but more suggestions to get rid of it 5) Make Lyrics more universal so that it will appeal to more people 6) Make chorus come in at end of first verse and sing it 3 times What do you think?
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/04 09:12:26
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How about "replace the heavy lead guitar solo with something else" instead of "get rid of it"?
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/04 23:59:37
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I tinkered with it some more today. I hope it is better.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/05 00:52:49
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I really like your mixing, arrangement and production. It sounds so clean. As far as your singing, it is pretty good. Very nicely recorded. At the key change it sounds like you are stretching, maybe it is a little high on you vocal range.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/05 06:34:54
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Nice song! The piano does sound like a harpsichord. Ms. Janet has a super new piano sound. Check with her for some tips.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/05 12:44:52
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I just had to listen when i seen the mention of Harry Chapin. I like his songs a lot. This too was a good song. I think the vocals were way too out in front, could do with going back a notch as it was difficult for me to hear most of the instruments behind. I wasn't too keen on the piano at the beginning. It sounded a little midi like to me. also the cello? at the end wasn't convincing enough. Still very good though. Mark.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/05 14:14:41
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Thanks! I will work on the piano parts again. Some people are telling me that the background vocals sound like a machine. I sang them over and over to try to get them perfect, but they say that they now sound fake or over processed?? I have never been told that before! I won't try to over produce them next time. If you listen to them alone they sound fine, but since I doubled them using a doubler vst they don't sound as natural, I guess.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/10 10:30:33
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I did another mix today and added a few more background vocals, bass, and drum fills. Let me know what you think! MP3 Player SoundClick
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/10 11:50:38
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The piano sounds like a hybrid of Lary Alex's "virginal" and a piano. You CAN sing. Seems like there could be some different treatment or something but tomorrow I might hear it differently. I agree with Herb; never tell anyone you can't sing. I did that when I started but I stopped because he's right. Let them decide if THEY like it. Love the BGV. Actually, I liked the whole thing!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/10 12:13:22
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Not my thing, I did listen to an earlier version but made no comment, this sounds better, clean more balanced.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/10 18:37:56
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Thanks, I changed the velocity and extended the midi notes on the piano. Maybe this is better now??? I hope!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/11 14:41:29
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nice tune...I really enjoyed it.....i like your vox.....i try to warm them up a bit but toher then that...dont really care for the 2:50 stop and pop break....felt a bit unbalanced on the timing... good job overall!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/11 23:29:01
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Good grief...if I could sing half this good, I'd be singing all my songs. Not sure what to tell you about that piano sound. If you'd like to send me the midi track, I'd be happy to see what I could do. I think True Pianos is quite good, but something's wrong here. Maybe if I see the midi track I could figure it out. Sorry to be negative. But you shoulda seen what I went thru to get a good sound! lol Send me a PM if you're interested. Otherwise, I might have some ideas anyway. Anyway, I love this song and you did a great job on it!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 10:19:24
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Thanks, thepogue for your comment! I have changed a lot of things in the song since last week. It sounds nothing like it did when I first posted it. People have been telling me to put pop breaks and all kinds of things in it all week, so I did. Some have told me to rewrite the first and second verse, but I have to stop somewhere or it will be so different that it will be a completely different song that I didn't even write. I think that I will have to stop messing with it or it will be chopped all to pieces. What type of warmer should I use for the vocals? Hey Janet, Thanks for your nice comments! I have Sonar Producer 8.5. I just got it about 7 months ago. I have no idea how to play the piano or put feeling into it. I just bang on it when I am making a recording and find the notes as I am recording. I am using True Pianos 64. I made a huge mistake. After recording the piano, I changed the midi to audio and deleted the midi track. I realize that it was super stupid, but I didn't think that I needed it anymore. I made sure that all of the notes were in time and that everything was in key. I will never do that again! Siince I have no timing on the piano, I had to quantize it, and it made it too exact, not like the flow of a human. So it is a robot playing the piano now. Since you actually know how to play the piano, I can send you the song without the piano track. Maybe you can lay down some nice piano to it. In the future, if you need a guitar or bass track I can lay one down for you! If you are interested, please let me know! I have a drop box account and I can place the file there, then you can go to drop box and download the file.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 11:33:39
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:( Never delete the midi track. It takes up almost no room on your HD. I make tweaks in the midi file till the last second. In fact, now that I discovered how cool instrument tracks are, I don't even have to bounce to audio anymore. And my screen isn't cluttered up with separate midi and audio tracks either. It's sweet. (check them out if you don't know what I'm talking about.) But, yes, you can send the tracks with and without the piano tracks. I'll need the chord sheet and bpm too. I'll see what I can do. Not everyone likes what I come up with, but I'll try. :) You can just send me the mp3's to: janet dot wohlgemut at gmail dot com.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 12:21:51
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Janet, I don't read music so I don't know the chords. I just made up the piano chords as I went along. Some of them are different than the guitar chords, so they would give a cool sound. I will try to see what I can do with it. I am downloading a program right now called Synthology Piano 1.5. It is 32 gigs. It is supposed to be a nice sounding piano vst software. I read a bunch of reviews and quite a few people say that they love it. I am just a music hacker, so I just do everything by the seat of my pants! Thanks!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 15:20:03
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OK, I'll see what I can do. I'll have to listen again, but I think part of the problem is that the notes are the same velocity. When you play with feeling, the velocities are all over the place. :-) But eq can warm up the sound too. I usually go with a bump (pretty wide) up at about 1 k. I know there are better ways to do it, but I'm not too clever with eq. Yet. :)
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 17:43:06
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Michael, nice tune dude. All the instruments were recorded really well - mix is clear - well balanced. This is a good one.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 20:09:34
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Thanks Clean! I appreciate it. Janet, I will send the files to you tomorrow. I am sure that you will do a much better job than I can. Thanks a lot!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/12 22:57:48
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Nice song... Well done.... Janet is a great piano aficionado and a great help to us all!
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/14 18:35:33
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Hmmm. Yet another that I'm pretty sure I already posted on, but no sign of it. Might be me going loopy, but I'm certain that I remember mentioning, as others had, about the piano not sounding quite right (kind of like a harpsicord in the earlier version that I definitely listened to). Anyway, seems like your in good hands there now, so I'll say no more about that. I feel the same as you do about doing vox, so you're not alone there, but yours sound fine to me - certainly nothing to be shy about.
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Re:Without Her Anymore
2011/03/20 18:51:11
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Janet was nice enough to record some piano and I might use it on the song. I gave the Piano track another try myself this weekend. I downloaded Pianoteq and goofed around with it today. Does this piano sound any better? It is very hard for me to tell, since I don't play the piano. I just hack at it when I need to lay down some tracks on a song, so I do not have an ear for it at all. I think that the velocity is better and it don't sound as much like a harpsichord anymore. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?q=hi&songID=10329669
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