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Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
I have and RME 2496 with 8 ADAT I/Os and 1 stereo analog that is permanently hooked up to a processor for use in the SONAR external insert. The Speakers are always on ADAT 1 & 2. New projects stupidly default to Analog 1 & 2.
This is annoying. I can't uncheck Analog 1 & 2 as they are for the insert. And I want to be able to use any template provided without having to point this boat to the ADAT 1 & 2 output every time.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/29 18:01:23
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Have you tried reordering the outputs in Aud.ini?
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/29 18:06:55
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No, I can?  I'll try that. Thanks Scook
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 00:43:53
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Well it seems that doesn't work if I understand what you mean Scook.
Here's my modified aud.ini
[Aud]
DataDir=C:\Cakewalk Projects\Audio Data
PictureDir=C:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache
PicCacheMB=500
PicCacheZoom=128
PicCacheLevels=2
EnablePicCacheThreads=1
ComputePicturesWhilePlaying=1
CopyOnImport=1
ReadCache=0
WriteCache=0
EnableCacheWriteThru=1
VolMethod=1
PanMethod=1
DiskBufSize=512
DiskRecBufSize=512
ExtraDiskBuffers=2
DitherAlgorithm=0
ZeroFillMethod=2
RecordPreAllocSeconds=0
ZeroFillDB=300
FlushWriteBeforeRead=0
FlushMultiple=1
DefaultEqPosition=0
DefaultAudSnapOfflineStretchMethod=3
DefaultAudSnapOnlineStretchMethod=1
RadiusStretchingPitchCoherence=50
RadiusStretchingPhaseCoherence=50
DefaultVocalSyncOfflineStretchMethod=7
DefaultVocalSyncOnlineStretchMethod=1
RealtimePreroll=0
SuspendPluginsOnBounce=1
[Wave]
DefaultSampleRate=44100
DriverID=2
WaveInID=2
OpenInputFirst=0
SmpteMode=0
TimingOffsetMsec=0.000000
TimingOffsetBuffers=0
LatencyMsec=23
BounceBufSizeMsec=0
AlwaysStreamAudioThroughFx=1
MaxInputChannels=16
MaxOutputChannels=16
ThreadSchedulingModel=2
TransDetectorModel=1
EnableMixThreads=1
MixThreadCount=0
EnableSetThreadIdealProcessor=1
EnablePluginLoadBalancing=0
MinPluginLoadBalancingBufferSamples=128
CSUseSpin=1
AllowOfflineRenderMixThreads=1
UseMMCSS=0
MMCSSThreadPriority=2
MMCSSTaskKey=Pro Audio
FreeMemOnUnload=1
AlwaysOpenAllDevices=0
MinimizeDriverStateChanges=1
RemoveDCOffset=0
EnableAsioBufferSwitchTimeInfo=1
EnableDeviceOutputLatencyCompensation=1
UseHardwareSamplePosition=1
BitsPerSample=24
FileBitDepth=16
RenderBitDepth=32
ImportBitDepth=0
ExtraPluginBufs=0
MixDezipperUsec=50
GapDezipperUsec=500
WaveInBuffers=8
WaveOutBuffersMME=4
WaveOutBuffersKS=2
MeterFrameSizeMS=40
SyncMaxDriftMsec=2
SyncDivisor=8
ProfiledMME=0
ProfiledKS=1
ProfiledWASAPI=0
UseWDMDmaForWASAPI=1
LinkSendPan=0
LinkPFSendMute=0
StopOnEmptyPlayQueue=0
KsUseInputEvent=0
WaveOutExtraBuffers=1
AutomationDecimationMsec=50
EnableSSEMixing=1
ThumbnailCacheSize=100
ManageASIOThreadPriority=1
EnableLiveADCRecalc=1
UseAlias=0
DropoutMsec=250
StartFadeMsec=0
StopFadeMsec=0
PanLaw=0
PanLawCompatMode=0
DisableIMDuringPlay=0
ShowMultiChannelInputs=1
ShowMultiChannelOutputs=1
MaxPreviewMsec=300000
EnableWasapiDSP=1
[ASIO Hammerfall DSP (6 in, 6 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut5=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut6=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn2=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn3=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn4=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn5=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn6=1
[SampleRates]
Count=11
0=8000
1=11025
2=22050
3=44100
4=48000
5=88200
6=96000
7=176400
8=192000
9=352800
10=384000
[AliasInput]
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 Analog 1=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 Analog 1
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 SPDIF L=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 SPDIF L
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 1=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 1
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 3=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 3
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 5=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 5
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 7=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 7
[AliasOutput]
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 1=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 1 <--moved.
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 Analog 1=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 Analog 1
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 SPDIF L=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 SPDIF L
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 3=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 3
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 5=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 5
ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 7=ASIO Hammerfall DSP HDSP9632 ADAT 7
[RME HDSP 9632 (8 in, 8 out)]
MigratedDMA=1
Name=HDSP9632 ADAT (7+8)
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
WidePacking=4
Interleave=2
Use24BitExtensible=1
UseExtensibleForMultiChannelIO=1
WDM.DMA.8000=8 8 8 8
WDM.DMA.11025=11 11 11 11
WDM.DMA.22050=22 22 22 22
WDM.DMA.44100=512 1024 512 1024
WDM.DMA.48000=48 48 48 48
WDM.DMA.88200=88 88 88 88
WDM.DMA.96000=96 96 96 96
WDM.DMA.176400=176 176 176 176
WDM.DMA.192000=192 192 192 192
WDM.DMA.352800=352 352 352 352
WDM.DMA.384000=384 384 384 384
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut5=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut6=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut7=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveOut8=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn2=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn3=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn4=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn5=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn6=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn7=0
WDM.DriverMap.UseWaveIn8=0
[ASIO4ALL v2 (4 in, 4 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn2=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn3=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn4=1
[ASIO4ALL v2 (1 in, 1 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=0
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 01:12:39
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I don't know if this works, but looking at your edit it ppears you moved the alias name, not the output itself. Maybe that would work?
Is these a way to re-order them in the preferences window? I'm not near my machine at the moment...
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 01:26:44
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I don't understand the syntax. I know that section was the alias, and the wdm is probably the output section but I don't get what I should be editing. It doesn't jump out at me.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 01:55:10
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That was the section I was thinking about. Never had need to reorder I/O. I rarely use project templates and have always used the default output SONAR assigns.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 02:00:44
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Scook, are referring to the alias section when you say thats what you meant?
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 02:04:29
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 02:05:44
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K.
Thanks for tryin.
Hey Bandlab!!!!!
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 16:53:09
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This isn't the fix you were asking for, but modifying templates is probably your best bet and this is kind of what templates are for. So load a template, change the outputs then save as template overwriting the original - or save as new. Do that for the templates you want.
Personally, I only use my own templates which I have created for my setups - including non standard hardware routings. It's quick and easy to set up a template and it can be modified at any point or used to seed a new template with all my current settings in place. I also have one of my templates set to default so it creates a new project that's ready to go every time I start Sonar.
Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 17:04:38
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That was my first thought.
Instead of trying to change this way, simply create a template as you wish and set it to default...
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 17:06:38
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Yeah, I use templates all setup the way I like it for new projects.
But I did a quick one off for someone and used the Basic template which I think might be the default and that's when I realized I was annoyed. :-)
When BandLab gives us an update, and they said they would, those cakewalk templates will get clobbered and set back to default. Then I'll be annoyed again.
Don't you think the output should be a global preferences setting, or use what output is set in Playback Timing Master?
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 17:10:23
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This is why I use a custom project template folder path. The installers always used the default location leaving any custom template folder alone. This let me pick whichever I wanted from the ones included with SONAR and create my own without worrying about them getting overwritten by an update.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/30 17:15:17
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Since the new DAW will not be called SONAR, it will probably use new folders and registry entries unrelated to SONAR.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/31 02:05:31
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If you create your own "basic" say as a renamed basic (ie mybasic.cwt) then set it as your default, it will no longer affect you when updates overwrite the factory...
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/31 02:09:44
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No kiddin.
Okay, I'll try that.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/31 02:26:46
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Notice the "set as default" button for templates and all will be well in the garden...
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/31 03:53:48
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Keni
If you create your own "basic" say as a renamed basic (ie mybasic.cwt) then set it as your default, it will no longer affect you when updates overwrite the factory...
Yes, the templates that come with Sonar do get overwritten when updating so if you change those and save them with the same name, they will be reverted. Changing them and saving with a unique name will ensure they don't get overwritten. I back mine up too so if the poop hits the fan I can reinstall Sonar and put my templates back in. Actually, templates are incredibly useful as they do save pretty much everything.
Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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Re: Without modifying any templates, how to set Sonars default speaker output?
2018/03/31 04:36:47
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While updates to SONAR templates are unlikely, the only way to guarantee they would not be overwritten was use a custom folder. Regardless of the name chosen there was no way to claim for certain Cakewalk could not overwrite the file.
I also use a custom folder for drum maps to insure only the ones I want are displayed.
Where a custom folder cannot be specified (ex. track templates) I add a custom folder created with a directory junction. As much as possible, I place all customizations in a single directory tree. This makes backup, updates to new versions and re-installs much easier not to mention Cakewalk never wrote into custom folders.
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