Beagle
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Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
Does your employer require you to do these? IMO these are the most ridiculous tasks that we are required to do! We're required to make a list of what our objectives (tasks with performace objectives) are for the year and we're supposed to fill out our own evaluation of how we did on those objectives as they are complete or by the end of the year if they spill over into the next year. WHY? I thought it was my boss' job to evaluate my performance? and I thought it was my boss' job to say what my tasks are and what I'm supposed to try to achieve for those tasks in the way of performance? Why does the employee have to write his own performance objectives and evaluations? to me this is just asenine. to me, it seems like this is simply a management "check off" on a list so that they can claim some metric to some evaluator of their business practices stating that they have ALL employees perform their objectives and have all employees' objectives evaluated. [/rant]
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 10:57:56
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[lie] Corporations are great! [/lie]
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:28:04
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Yes. We have to do that too. I agree completely with you Beagle. I've found that it has worked great for me in the past to have a long line of BS. Fortunately they don't understand what or how I do the things I do so they approved. However the program is changing this year. Now I don't know what's happening and will have to revamp my line of BS. I'll know more because they'll have 50 million meetings explaining what not to do. Fortunately it's changing for those that approve mine so more than likely they'll wait to read my BS before they submit their BS. Very strange. What really helps, and may be the same where you work, is that now I'm doing the work of three of the people that they sent down the road...and have been for a few years. So when I say line of BS it's enough to cover for 4 positions. Crazy huh? They lay people off, give you their jobs and then want you to explain what you're going to do, beside you job duties, to warrant having you job. ?? And then threaten you with, if you don't you won't receive your merit increase! I went to my first meeting for the new and improved version. Everybody left looking very confused. What they haven't come to understand is the saying has changed....it's not, "you can't BS an old BS'er" "it's can I copy your BS?". - didn't you get the BS memo? I very good friend of mine that passed a few years back had a saying that folks at work still use; "It's going to hell in a handbag buddy boy".
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:40:50
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When it comes to self-evaluations at work, I've decided that I will use the following guiding principles. 1) If I don't praise myself for my accomplishments/efforts, no one else will. 2) A glowing self-assessment does not necessarily translate into a raise. They're assuming your evaluation is biased. 3) Don't assume that their goals and objectives must be your goals and objectives. 4) Cite specific examples of accomplishments/efforts 5) Unless you work for Bapu, tossing his name into your evaluation will not help as much as you might think 6) Telling your boss(es) you eagerly anticipate the day when you are finally able to play at their funeral can be interpreted as a negative statement Hope that helps.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:42:21
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I thought people only did that stuff on Star Trek the Next Generation.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:46:14
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mike_mccue I thought people only did that stuff on Star Trek the Next Generation. I can assure you that it happens in the Twilight Zone too.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:48:22
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Michael - sounds like we're in the same boat! I just don't even understand the logic of having ME input this information. bubba - 3) Don't assume that their goals and objectives must be your goals and objectives. you would be incorrect here, sir! not only are we required to input our own task, goals and objectives, but we are also requried to flow down management's and the company's goals and objectives and integrate those into our own objectives! we are given a set of objectives from management to use!!!!
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:50:34
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And don't forget Beagle...If those objectives aren't sent down you better go up and get them.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:50:59
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It all makes sense once you realize that management's ultimate goal is to make your life miserable.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:53:08
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Well there's a good side....X1 doesn't bother me when I get home. I almost understand why it's in it's condition.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 11:58:24
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Maybe I'm missing the critical piece here but to me this sounds cool... Objective: Increase market share and revenue by 1000% minimum in 1 year. Results: I easily achieved this goal in half the allotted time with one hand tied behind my back just to make it fair. Therefore: my salary should be increased into the 7 digit range, with company jet, and vacation home in the Bahamas. What's not to like about that?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:14:36
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Guitarhacker Maybe I'm missing the critical piece here but to me this sounds cool... Objective: Increase market share and revenue by 1000% minimum in 1 year. Results: I easily achieved this goal in half the allotted time with one hand tied behind my back just to make it fair. Therefore: my salary should be increased into the 7 digit range, with company jet, and vacation home in the Bahamas. What's not to like about that? what's not to like about it? performance objectives and MY evaluation of said objectives have no direct bearing on my salary or benefits.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:15:44
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oh......
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:15:52
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Objectives: 1) Try not to maim anyone at work today. - So far, so good. We'll see how it goes after lunch. 2) Pretend to care about Company Objectives. - Yeah. I don't see this happening. 3) Choose a side: Mooch or Bapu. - Maybe I'll take another stab at Objective 2 instead. 4) Exterminate all life on this miserable, insufferable planet. - Hmm. When did Bing become our CEO?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:21:36
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UbiquitousBubba Objectives: 1) Try not to maim anyone at work today. - So far, so good. We'll see how it goes after lunch. 2) Pretend to care about Company Objectives. - Yeah. I don't see this happening. 3) Choose a side: Mooch or Bapu. - Maybe I'll take another stab at Objective 2 instead. 4) Exterminate all life on this miserable, insufferable planet. - Hmm. When did Bing become our CEO? FANTASTIC! Can I use those or are they copyright material?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:33:00
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Public domain, Beagle. Public domain.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 12:52:25
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I used to have to do that, too, back in the days when I had a real job. At first I resented it, but then I realized that I could use self-evaluations to game the system. Routine tasks could be made to sound more grandiose because I knew that whoever read these things back at Corporate wouldn't have a clue. I would make them as obtuse as possible, using lots of obscure technical terms and meaningless catchphrases. Of course even my loftiest goals were always met and exceeded. Remember, the people who dream this sh*t up are just trying to justify their own jobs, too. Play along and everyone's happy. Just don't make it too obvious that you're messing with them.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:07:30
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Beagle Guitarhacker Maybe I'm missing the critical piece here but to me this sounds cool... Objective: Increase market share and revenue by 1000% minimum in 1 year. Results: I easily achieved this goal in half the allotted time with one hand tied behind my back just to make it fair. Therefore: my salary should be increased into the 7 digit range, with company jet, and vacation home in the Bahamas. What's not to like about that? what's not to like about it? performance objectives and MY evaluation of said objectives have no direct bearing on my salary or benefits. From over 25 years of experience in the Corporate world I've realized that NOTHING really has a direct bearing on your salary and benefits. Now I'm in a start-up business where we all wear multiple hats (making it hard to walk through doorways) and we don't have any time or patience for non-productive people. Being able to post in this and other "Coffee House" type forums any time I want IS one of my company benefits!
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:08:26
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bitflipper I used to have to do that, too, back in the days when I had a real job. At first I resented it, but then I realized that I could use self-evaluations to game the system. Routine tasks could be made to sound more grandiose because I knew that whoever read these things back at Corporate wouldn't have a clue. I would make them as obtuse as possible, using lots of obscure technical terms and meaningless catchphrases. Of course even my loftiest goals were always met and exceeded. Remember, the people who dream this sh*t up are just trying to justify their own jobs, too. Play along and everyone's happy. Just don't make it too obvious that you're messing with them. right - but that's part of what bugs me. I am CERTAIN no one from "Corporate" will ever read my objectives or my evaluations! No one above my immediate manager will ever read them! If the objectives aren't input into the system then someone higher than my immediate manager will get a memo with me on a list saying I haven't done my objectives and then that s*** will flow down thru my manager to me because I am not complying with company policy, but even the one who starts that flow downhill will never READ my objectives - he'll only know if they EXIST or not. and I can't really input something like bubba's list into my objectives to mess with them because, as I said, only my immediate manager reads them. But he DOES read them and he has to make sure they are "in compliance" and "aligned" with Corporate objectives.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:15:22
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UbiquitousBubba 5) Unless you work for Bapu, tossing his name into your evaluation will not help as much as you might think I think working for me or not is irrelevant. Use terms like "Deploy the use of the Bapsimus N.A.G. filter when processing the results of output of each test phase. This task requires the use of Internet access to YouTube and all other websites currently blocked. Alternative use of the Mooch4056 Analyzer may yield less desirable results. More testing is required."
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:16:32
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Beagle bitflipper I used to have to do that, too, back in the days when I had a real job. At first I resented it, but then I realized that I could use self-evaluations to game the system. Routine tasks could be made to sound more grandiose because I knew that whoever read these things back at Corporate wouldn't have a clue. I would make them as obtuse as possible, using lots of obscure technical terms and meaningless catchphrases. Of course even my loftiest goals were always met and exceeded. Remember, the people who dream this sh*t up are just trying to justify their own jobs, too. Play along and everyone's happy. Just don't make it too obvious that you're messing with them. right - but that's part of what bugs me. I am CERTAIN no one from "Corporate" will ever read my objectives or my evaluations! No one above my immediate manager will ever read them! If the objectives aren't input into the system then someone higher than my immediate manager will get a memo with me on a list saying I haven't done my objectives and then that s*** will flow down thru my manager to me because I am not complying with company policy, but even the one who starts that flow downhill will never READ my objectives - he'll only know if they EXIST or not. and I can't really input something like bubba's list into my objectives to mess with them because, as I said, only my immediate manager reads them. But he DOES read them and he has to make sure they are "in compliance" and "aligned" with Corporate objectives. Then I'd recommend saying that you only work there because your boss is such a peach. He'll know it's not true and wonder what you're up to, but he won't say anything 'cause he'll get that nice warm, fuzzy feeling everytime he reads it.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:24:29
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craigb Beagle bitflipper I used to have to do that, too, back in the days when I had a real job. At first I resented it, but then I realized that I could use self-evaluations to game the system. Routine tasks could be made to sound more grandiose because I knew that whoever read these things back at Corporate wouldn't have a clue. I would make them as obtuse as possible, using lots of obscure technical terms and meaningless catchphrases. Of course even my loftiest goals were always met and exceeded. Remember, the people who dream this sh*t up are just trying to justify their own jobs, too. Play along and everyone's happy. Just don't make it too obvious that you're messing with them. right - but that's part of what bugs me. I am CERTAIN no one from "Corporate" will ever read my objectives or my evaluations! No one above my immediate manager will ever read them! If the objectives aren't input into the system then someone higher than my immediate manager will get a memo with me on a list saying I haven't done my objectives and then that s*** will flow down thru my manager to me because I am not complying with company policy, but even the one who starts that flow downhill will never READ my objectives - he'll only know if they EXIST or not. and I can't really input something like bubba's list into my objectives to mess with them because, as I said, only my immediate manager reads them. But he DOES read them and he has to make sure they are "in compliance" and "aligned" with Corporate objectives. Then I'd recommend saying that you only work there because your boss is such a peach. He'll know it's not true and wonder what you're up to, but he won't say anything 'cause he'll get that nice warm, fuzzy feeling everytime he reads it.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 13:30:52
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Beagle bitflipper I used to have to do that, too, back in the days when I had a real job. At first I resented it, but then I realized that I could use self-evaluations to game the system. Routine tasks could be made to sound more grandiose because I knew that whoever read these things back at Corporate wouldn't have a clue. I would make them as obtuse as possible, using lots of obscure technical terms and meaningless catchphrases. Of course even my loftiest goals were always met and exceeded. Remember, the people who dream this sh*t up are just trying to justify their own jobs, too. Play along and everyone's happy. Just don't make it too obvious that you're messing with them. right - but that's part of what bugs me. I am CERTAIN no one from "Corporate" will ever read my objectives or my evaluations! No one above my immediate manager will ever read them! If the objectives aren't input into the system then someone higher than my immediate manager will get a memo with me on a list saying I haven't done my objectives and then that s*** will flow down thru my manager to me because I am not complying with company policy, but even the one who starts that flow downhill will never READ my objectives - he'll only know if they EXIST or not. and I can't really input something like bubba's list into my objectives to mess with them because, as I said, only my immediate manager reads them. But he DOES read them and he has to make sure they are "in compliance" and "aligned" with Corporate objectives. It's all about looking for ways to get rid of you, it's not about productivity or anything like that. They do these surveys to see who they can get rid of when times are tough. It goes in to your permanent file, and they have something to go back to if they ever want to fire you. At least that's how they did it at the Fortune 500 I worked for. Despite all the mass layoffs going on now, corporations are actually afraid to fire people for fear of getting sued and that's really what this is all about.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:01:55
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:03:32
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Jonbouy What's an employer? life sucking leeches?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:06:27
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bapu Jonbouy What's an employer? life sucking leeches? That's a taxman, no?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:08:25
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Jonbouy bapu Jonbouy What's an employer? life sucking leeches? That's a taxman, no? Surely they're kissin' cousins?
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:09:24
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Beagle if it's the same for us, it goes something like; You spend hours on the computer doing your monthly safety test. You spend hours doing a lesson about ethics. (because your company did something illegal and the courts made them incorporate it) Then you spend time trying to think of BS to put in the little boxes explaining yourself. And you try to get this out of the way so you can go help everybody else that have lost their passwords or don't know where to go and sign-in or help them complete all of them because.....well....they're lucky to find their way to work and you don't want them to lose their jobs...especially since your doing the job of the last three that were run off. Then when it's all done you can sit back until next month when you have to do it all again. I know why are country doesn't have a national health care system. If we did everybody would quit their jobs!
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:16:34
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Yes, Reece, I've had to do this at every job I've been in. In fact, I too am in the process of doing that very thing. This is a great opportunity for your boss to tell you that you haven't been doing what the company wants you to do, yet they fail to realize that if you don't do what your doing then nobody else will do it which precludes you from being able to do what your boss feels that the company wants you to do. So you should be spending less time doing what you have to do to do what you are supposed to be doing, right? I worked at an International Big Money making company which actually used this to keep one's rating down, so that the money (bonus's and raises etc...) got filtered to the "Cream of the Crop" to keep them happy and employed. The down side was that this was so much of a big dollar allotment game that the reviews were actually next to meaningless. It ended up not rewarding achievement, just $$$.
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Re:Workplace practices of "performance objectives" and evaluation
2011/03/02 14:23:24
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spacey Beagle if it's the same for us, it goes something like; You spend hours on the computer doing your monthly safety test. You spend hours doing a lesson about ethics. (because your company did something illegal and the courts made them incorporate it) Then you spend time trying to think of BS to put in the little boxes explaining yourself. And you try to get this out of the way so you can go help everybody else that have lost their passwords or don't know where to go and sign-in or help them complete all of them because.....well....they're lucky to find their way to work and you don't want them to lose their jobs...especially since your doing the job of the last three that were run off. Then when it's all done you can sit back until next month when you have to do it all again. I know why are country doesn't have a national health care system. If we did everybody would quit their jobs! are you sure you don't work for the same company I do? but don't forget to add: Diversity Training. just as mandatory as "ethics" is.
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