Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardware

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Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardware

To Begin:  My laptop is an Intel I-5 M-540 2.53 Quad core 8 gigs of ram 2 Hard drives and willing to upgrade to an SSD if necessary.  Firewire 1394 Bus.  What I don't have is USB 3  ( I see all of their software is on USB 3 drives ).... 
 
 
Now,  I don't understand soft synths.  All I have are what came with X3 Producer and Platinum. 
I have had some success at  Addictive drums.  
 
I have to admit, as far as DAW's go, I'm a generation behind just about everyone here so old habits are hard to break and I spend more time reading manuals and checking video tutorials sometimes than accomplishing anything.
 
I work with midi files,  either playing directly or importing them because this gives me the most flexibility for my needs as far as tempo, tuning, key shifts, etc.   I've tried to experiment with loading soft synths but I get extremely frustrated, start running out of time and revert back to my hardware midi synths.
 
Would I need a player from East West, or do I need Dimension Pro or one of those that I'd upgrade with Cakewalk?
 
Realistically, I'd probably use between 8 - 10 tracks on a typical project,  but could foresee 16 or more tracks once I get used to this and actually am able to  become what I consider "proficient" at Sonar.  
 
I was thinking about another rack synth like the Yamaha Motif XS - and then read a post about a guy dumping his Motif ES Rack hardware for East West Orchestra.   I listened to some of their examples and was blown away.
 
I could just imagine what could be done with the East West Orchestra and Choir Software.
 
I'd appreciate some feedback if this is feasible,  and "what else" I'd need to avoid any surprises.  I just want to try and grasp what I'd really need.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    cclarry
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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/21 17:37:57 (permalink)
    A USB 3.0 drive WILL work on a USB 2.0 Port...so no worries there...

    You can also get the Composer Cloud and download a great deal of East West
    Products now...

    I have Orchestra Gold and Choirs Platinum...and some others...
    I love EW stuff...


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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/21 18:14:15 (permalink)
    Ewql Gold is a good place to start.
    The library requires you to use their Play sample player engine.. latest version on their website.

    Good luck

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/21 19:27:36 (permalink)
    OK..  Since my hardware did not send up any red flags - which is what I was afraid off,  I think I should take the plunge and start off with cloud for a month and at least see how it works with my machines, and use the pieces I have ready to go for the upcoming season and experiment with them.
     
    Thanks for the replies and feedback.   
    Best Regards!
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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/21 19:39:42 (permalink)
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    OK..  Since my hardware did not send up any red flags - which is what I was afraid off,  I think I should take the plunge and start off with cloud for a month and at least see how it works with my machines, and use the pieces I have ready to go for the upcoming season and experiment with them.
     
    Thanks for the replies and feedback.   
    Best Regards!
    WG



    THAT is a GREAT plan of attack! 


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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/21 22:35:10 (permalink)
    Yup. Definitely a man with a plan. Nice.

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/22 10:59:20 (permalink)
    Are you able to upgrade the RAM on your laptop? That's frequently a bottleneck when it comes to using large sample libraries. Although having never used a large orchestral library myself I have no idea really how much RAM they require. Generally though, the more the better. 8GB is a little on the small size these days, although I suspect it might be fine for 8-10 tracks. 

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/22 12:09:25 (permalink)
    sharke
    Are you able to upgrade the RAM on your laptop? That's frequently a bottleneck when it comes to using large sample libraries. Although having never used a large orchestral library myself I have no idea really how much RAM they require. Generally though, the more the better. 8GB is a little on the small size these days, although I suspect it might be fine for 8-10 tracks. 


    Can't speak to the laptop, but my system only has 8GB RAM and while I can run E/W products. I usually record the synth to audio tracks then freeze the synth. Upgrading your RAM would be a good idea if you can. I'll be moving up to 16GB (my systems max.) early next year. All the Best.
     

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/22 12:27:03 (permalink)
    One of the problems with most laptops is they max out at 8 Gb...

    But there are a few that will handle 16 gb...


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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/22 16:58:09 (permalink)
    Sharke,  I had read people using numbers like 32gigs of ram...  So, I thought this M6500 was also limited to 8 gigs...
     
    Turns out is has the quad core I5,  and 4 ram slots -  max 32 Gigs of Ram.   Right off, I'll look to populate a pair of those slots with 16 gigs.  Now to shop around and check specs or recommendations in forum posts.
     
    Thanks a lot for the recommendation(s).
     
     
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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/23 09:12:14 (permalink)
    The i5 shouldn't hold you back as long as it isn't speed limited by a power saving mode. No USB3 will only be a potential problem if you are trying to use 24bit samples off of the external USB drive.
     
    Since you mostly do midi and render when done, real time recording won't be an issue for you. But if you ever decide you need to start doing it, replacing your laptop's HDD with an SSD will work wonders. You can get a 1TB Samsung 850 EVO for $349 currently, which is as low as I've seen it.
     
    I'd suggest trying the cloud subscription before spending on upgrades.
     
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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/23 11:17:28 (permalink)
    Dan,  and others who have helped.  thanks.   I'm looking at the right time - certainly with Christmas sales for Ram and Drives.  Yes  The 1TB EVO is an excellent price.  I'll have to look for it. 
     
    Is this ( using sound files, vs midi hardware )  tediously painful,  or do you pick instruments ( like a violin ) that sound most like what you're trying to achieve for most ( or all of your track )  and then add "articulation" vibrato, etc.  as needed on additional copied tracks?
     
    Does anyone know of any YouTube or even decent training - tutor video/books that would help an "older person who is not totally technically inept,  but way behind times,  get a grasp on learning this a little easier.  
    If not this specific software,  one that functions the same - but I understand you have to use their sample player... so that might be a good idea.
     
    specifically,  the orchestral and symphony choir software would be my biggest interest to understand.
     
    ( I actually have some money for books and training left in my music budget and this might be well spent )
     
    I agree with the cloud vs cash outlay to start.   As soon as I figure out if I like it - or am technically capable to use it,  I'll use the cloud version and establish what's within my capabilities, then I'll try to purchase what I really need at that point.
     
    Thanks.
    WG
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/23 11:34:01 (permalink)
    if you join the Composer Cloud at the moment you get one month free access to the askvideo.com east west course, which I assume will do what you want...I am very tempted also by this as just finished paying off my stage piano and have enough cash floating around for the monthly subscription...

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/23 14:15:36 (permalink)
     
     
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    Is this ( using sound files, vs midi hardware )  tediously painful,  or do you pick instruments ( like a violin ) that sound most like what you're trying to achieve for most ( or all of your track )  and then add "articulation" vibrato, etc.  as needed on additional copied tracks?



    As a former hardware junkie, I recommend using Sonar's synth rack to add an instance of a VST. Each instance is just like a multi-timbral hardware synth. Point up to 16 midi tracks to the VST (one per channel) and setup each receiving channel in the VST to load the appropriate instrument. Easy peasy.
     
    The rest of your question is more nuanced because it largely depends on the VST instrument. For example, EastWest's Symphonic Orchestra uses a different instrument "patch" for each articulation. There are some that also use keyswitches, which are silent notes that "switch" the behavior of the patch (like adding slurs, vibrato, and so on). Hollywood Strings uses less "patches", but each "patch" loads multiple articulations and you switch between them using midi expression. IIRC, there are 5 layers in each "patch", plus specialty articulations (like trills) that are separate "patches". Throughout this, I've used the word "patch/patches" because that's how you would think of them on a hardware synth. In a VST, they are really instruments/samples.
     
    Hope that all helps, lol.
     
    Regards,
    Dan
     
     

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    Re: Would like EastWest orchestral Instruments - But can't grasp soft synths or my hardwar 2015/11/23 14:32:50 (permalink)
    You're a teacher, Dan 

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