Writer's Block? Get some dice...

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2016/11/23 08:42:32 (permalink)

Writer's Block? Get some dice...

Love this guy's YouTube channel, which deals with various aspects of orchestration such as how to write for nature videos or video games. Very down-to-earth practical advice. This one stands out as being a bit more whimsical than most, but as someone who is often frozen by writer's block I appreciate the message.
 

 
 


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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/23 08:46:31 (permalink)
    Interesting way to get a melody going.
     

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/23 09:11:32 (permalink)
    The queen is a-mused!
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/23 15:40:21 (permalink)
    Makes me think this would be a most interesting software development project.  There'd be much more that could be done - especially generating accompanying harmonies.
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/24 08:05:18 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    For me, any "writer's block" has always meant a "change" in the way I do things, and it has taken many different forms, from writing a letter, to writing a poem, to continuing another chapter on my novel ... or simply spend a few minutes having some fun at the Coffee House ... or ... I still need to do reviews on 14 films sitting on my computer!
     
    "Writer's Block" is NOT a suggestion that you have no ideas, and we should STOP thinking that, but in many cases merely needs a fresh look at things, or a simple change ... that is no different than you changing your socks or t-shirt ... and you look different ... gee ... I didn't know that I looked OK on a purple shirt ... or green shirt!
     
    The change in response and perspective, tends to help the so-called "writer's block" ... and we should STOP thinking that we are machines, that need an oil change or engine rebuild in order to create something.
     
    Sorry Bit ... we're not mechanical, and too much of this has become so, and this guy is merely trying to break that into something different ... now go use 12 dice, instead of 6 and you might get Stravinsky!

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/24 22:44:49 (permalink)
    Well, I find nothing wrong with stochastic elements contributing to a composition.  Isn't it a little bit like a Pollock painting.  He didn't control EXACTLY where the paint went, but he was able to draw together these somewhat random effects into a whole.  It's different for different people of course, but at its basic level composition is the act of bringing together different, sometimes random elements.  It's not like the guy was using an algorithm.  And even if he was, wouldn't that be ok? Didn't Schoenberg et al use an algorithm?
    post edited by eph221 - 2016/11/24 23:48:59
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/25 17:25:35 (permalink)
    soens
    I was just babbling, of course.




    Sorry, can't understand what you said.
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/26 13:14:57 (permalink)
    The dice concept isn't meant to replace creativity, only a device to kickstart the process.
     
    I can spend a whole day staring at the keyboard, unable to think of anything worthwhile. But if somebody comes over with a rough song idea that consists of some lame overused 4-chord progression, I can immediately run with that. It's that "journey of a thousand miles" first-step hurdle.


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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/26 13:22:07 (permalink)
    This thread reminds me of a Big Bang Theory episode. Sheldon has a creative block in his thinking and starts doing all sorts of things get his brain working again. Very funny episode. 

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/26 13:24:09 (permalink)
    Here's schoeberg using an algorithm .  He's playing with the overtones:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5UwkKybJw
     
    You can hear the same thing in the last movement of my piece *camp*.(not the algorithm, just the overtone business)
     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/27 02:58:09 (permalink)

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/27 08:03:28 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Writer's Block, for me, is a weird concept ... I work on the instinct anyway, so at any time I will get up and go write something, and it might take me 5 minutes, it might take an hour or much more. Poems are like that for me, even in the middle of the night, a line shows up, and I get up and go write it and continue on it, since the "inspiration" is right there.
     
    Being, so internal, for me, the only requirement is feeling OK inside. For example, if I am having some bad moments with the blood pressure headaches and they are compounded with a cold/flu, then, the amount of lines is difficult and writing, has very little continuity for me. 
     
    Since most of my work is about that visual continuity ... there is a "movie" in my head all the time ... and it can get triggered a lot of times by music, which is one of my biggest sources of livelihood. 
     
    But what comes out ... that's another story, and my thoughts are that you MUST let it all come down, regardless, without thinking of anything mechanical. In other words, let it flow until it's done and over. WHERE, this process gets hurt the most, is when you stop it all the time, and then wonder why your intuitive side does not work ... because you stop it too many times! And you end up "intimidating" it.

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/27 09:49:03 (permalink)
    And then you can use the fridge magnet ramdom word set for lyrics !
     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/28 02:36:07 (permalink)
    Why dice ? why not just play Bingo or something while coming up with a secret musical code ?
     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/28 15:35:29 (permalink)
    Most composers, at least the good ones are borderline paranoid and see patterns in everything.  If a Bingo game spurs some creativity, why not?
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/29 09:21:33 (permalink)
    I really liked this video.  This guy has a very natural ear for harmony and melody.  It was fascinating to watch him work.
     
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    Most composers, at least the good ones are borderline paranoid and see patterns in everything.  If a Bingo game spurs some creativity, why not?


    Lastly, in the "for whatever it's worth category" the tendency to see unrelated patterns in events is called "apophenia".   Maybe you'll be a contestant and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" one day and that will be the last question.  "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/29 12:05:11 (permalink)
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    And then you can use the fridge magnet ramdom word set for lyrics !
     
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    That only gets us FAT! ... as in ... the fridge usually has FOOD!

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/29 12:06:53 (permalink)
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    Lastly, in the "for whatever it's worth category" the tendency to see unrelated patterns in events is called "apophenia".   Maybe you'll be a contestant and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" one day and that will be the last question.  "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."




    Man ... all we're doing is giving the German band "FAUST" some credibility. BAPU ... can you get a hold of that cement mixer?

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/29 12:38:32 (permalink)
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    I really liked this video.  This guy has a very natural ear for harmony and melody.  It was fascinating to watch him work.
     
    eph221
    Most composers, at least the good ones are borderline paranoid and see patterns in everything.  If a Bingo game spurs some creativity, why not?


    Lastly, in the "for whatever it's worth category" the tendency to see unrelated patterns in events is called "apophenia".   Maybe you'll be a contestant and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" one day and that will be the last question.  "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."




    Is there a pill for that?
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/29 18:17:25 (permalink)
    After watching this video again
    The real thing this fella has going on is that he knows how to superimpose hipper chord changes and cadences
    (that weren't based on the chords the dice came up with ) underneath his auto generated melodies to give the simple melodies a nice solid harmonic foundation ..
     
    For that to happen and sound good , you don't need dice ..you need a solid knowledge of music and music theory ...
     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/11/30 19:35:53 (permalink)
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    After watching this video again
    The real thing this fella has going on is that he knows how to superimpose hipper chord changes and cadences
    (that weren't based on the chords the dice came up with ) underneath his auto generated melodies to give the simple melodies a nice solid harmonic foundation ..
     
    For that to happen and sound good , you don't need dice ..you need a solid knowledge of music and music theory ...
     
    Kenny




    Hahaha ... debunk all them Guru's!
     
    "Knowledge" (in this case creativity) is not exclusive to anyone anyway, so any person stating they can kick your butt and get you going, is like the psychic on the _________ telling you that you will meet a ___________ on the 32nd of this month!
     
    Again, based on my having worked with actors, if there was one thing that helped them when I directed, was that I associated the words with movement (and other stage/film details), which helped smooth out the work, but it had a nice side effect ... it added more options and possibilities, which is not a bad thing, when you have one table and 2 chairs and only 25 square feet, if that!
     
    My main issue, and sometimes talking here, after 40 years of studying and reading inner work, and processes, when something is mentioned that is easy to do, but requires "concentration", folks go right out the door and swear up and down, that I don't know music.
     
    It's not about the music ... it's about YOU! And if you can not get past the same notes and create something new, maybe you need a mirror and a change of wardrobe! Go be David Watts for a day or two! Or Lola! Or Alladin Sane!  Take drugs, maybe they will help!
     
    Or go talk to a person or two, that know what they are talking about and they are not slapping you with a book, or religion!
     

     
    Try watching "The Tightrope" about Peter Brook and some of the actors in his school. You can do that exercise in music as well, and in fact it is done, since there is a musician doing accompaniments at the same time. It's not about what you should or should not do ... it's about ... feeling it ... living it ... and appreciating the ability to concentrate, and it will be always exciting, different and lively, because tomorrow you are not the same person, and your detailed feelings are not the same. I keep thinking that too many folks can only think of ... "song" ... and that limitation, is what is hurting the freedom of expression ... let it go ... you can trim it down later!

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/01 02:52:51 (permalink)


     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/01 03:25:40 (permalink)
    Moshkito
     
     
    Or go talk to a person or two, that know what they are talking about
     


     
    I'd agree with that....

     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/02 09:26:09 (permalink)
    Cool idea!  Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/02 19:03:51 (permalink)
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    I really liked this video.  This guy has a very natural ear for harmony and melody.  It was fascinating to watch him work.
     
    eph221
    Most composers, at least the good ones are borderline paranoid and see patterns in everything.  If a Bingo game spurs some creativity, why not?


    Lastly, in the "for whatever it's worth category" the tendency to see unrelated patterns in events is called "apophenia".   Maybe you'll be a contestant and "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" one day and that will be the last question.  "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."




    Is there a pill for that?


    Actually, there is.  It's called "Anafranil". 

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/02 22:51:28 (permalink)
    I take tofranil...it don't help much with that but it keeps me from falling into a torpor every winter.  It's the same class of drug.
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/03 12:30:10 (permalink)
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    "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."



    I used to think I'd be good at that game, having the unfortunate tendency to store gobs of useless information in long-term memory (while immediately forgetting short-term things like why I just went into that room).
     
    However, I've since realized that I'd actually suck at the Millionaire show. All they'd have to do is throw me one pop-culture question and I'd be stumped. Like "what is Paris Hilton's best-known contribution to the advancement of mankind?"


    All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/03 12:57:29 (permalink)
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    "Now, Bitflipper, for one million dollars . . . ."



    I used to think I'd be good at that game, having the unfortunate tendency to store gobs of useless information in long-term memory (while immediately forgetting short-term things like why I just went into that room).
     
    However, I've since realized that I'd actually suck at the Millionaire show. All they'd have to do is throw me one pop-culture question and I'd be stumped. Like "what is Paris Hilton's best-known contribution to the advancement of mankind?"




    No kidding!  Hehe...
     
    (By the way, the answer to your question is "She hasn't procreated."  )

     
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/05 04:46:43 (permalink)
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    ...
    However, I've since realized that I'd actually suck at the Millionaire show. All they'd have to do is throw me one pop-culture question and I'd be stumped. Like "what is Paris Hilton's best-known contribution to the advancement of mankind?"




    Bit ... that would be easy ... rich _________ (insert whatever you want here) 

    Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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    Re: Writer's Block? Get some dice... 2016/12/06 13:13:27 (permalink)
    mosh, it's true:  money changes everything.
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