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2011/05/18 11:15:36 (permalink)

X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year.

Here it goes...

I'm about to upgrade from Win7 32bit  to 64bit. I have both X1, and 8.5, I flop between the 2 of them till I become more comfortable with X1.
But, this is my first venture into the world of 64bit.

This is almost painful to ask... To utilize the 64-bit, and 8gb ram I have now, is all I have to do is click on the 64-bit engine button in both Sonar programs, or is there a X1 64bit version, and 8.5 64-bit version?

I am an idiot.
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    Frank Haas
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 11:29:24 (permalink)
    the installer ask which version of sonar you want to install (32 or 64bit)
    the 64-bit audio engine is a different beast..
    if you have 32bit plugins then stick to sonar@32bit
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 11:43:30 (permalink)
    The only reason I'm going Windows 7 64 is to utilize 8gb ram. Will the 32bit verison of Sonar see the 8 gig?
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 11:50:58 (permalink)
    Hi,guy, I did exactly what you are doing. I bounced around between the two for about a month before taking on my first X1 only project. I haven't looked back since. Be advised, some not all of your plugins may work in 64 bit. I took the approach that unless it was a high dollar must go to plugin, I tried to use what was available in the 64 bit version. It has worked out very well. I would say to load the 64 bit version and try to get comfortable with that environment. After all, it is safe to say that 64 bit computing is here and now. The plugins that are coming down the pike will probably be 64 bit. So,eventually, one day you will turn around and say why am I still in 32 bit when everything I want to use is 64? I am gradually replacing all my 32 bit plugs with better 64 bit plugs. The Bitbridge will allow you to use some of your 32 bit plugs. I would be willing to bet that JBridge will run most of the ones you have left that don't work. Remember, you can NOT use your 64 bit plugs in the 32 bit programs. But, you CAN run 32 in 64. I believe JBridge allows you to do both. It's a long confusing road so hang in there. If you get stuck, the guys on here are some of the best advisers around.
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 11:59:29 (permalink)
    Sidroe


    I believe JBridge allows you to do both.
     
    You're absolutely right about this Sidroe. The only thing you cannot currently do is to run Rewire plugins in 64-bit. However, there is a thread on one of the other Cakewalk forums which says that 64-bit Rewire libraries have recently been released to developers for beta testing, so this could become possible any time in the future.


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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 12:11:55 (permalink)
    well, i guess I will slowly work into 64 bit. But for the time being will running the 32 version of Sonar on Win7 64x utilize the 8gb of ram... which I guess is the most important thing to me.
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 12:25:30 (permalink)
    No, Sonar 32 bit will not be able to access all 8 GIG of RAm but your OS, Win 7 x64 will be able to so its an improvement but There's no reason not to run the 64 bit version, of SONAR as well.

    Depending on what you need to do you can rune either SONAR 32 or 64 bit.

    Many of us run it this way without problems.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 12:26:06 (permalink)
    No, Sonar 32 bit will not be able to access all 8 GIG of RAm but your OS, Win 7 x64 will be able to so its an improvement but There's no reason not to run the 64 bit version, of SONAR as well.

    Depending on what you need to do you can rune either SONAR 32 or 64 bit.

    Many of us run it this way without problems.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 12:26:17 (permalink)
    No, Sonar 32 bit will not be able to access all 8 GIG of RAm but your OS, Win 7 x64 will be able to so its an improvement but There's no reason not to run the 64 bit version, of SONAR as well.

    Depending on what you need to do you can rune either SONAR 32 or 64 bit.

    Many of us run it this way without problems.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 12:44:26 (permalink)
    Wow Mike..triple post...excellent!! :-)

    As said above Element, ol pal, your 32bit Sonar won't see all the ram.  There are only a few plugs and bundles left that won't run adequately bridged into 64 bit by either Sonar's own BitBridge or JBridge.  And if you have ram hungry apps like Omnishpere, Trilian and Kontakt or use many tracks running guitar emulators like Amplitube or Guitar Rig 4 you'll really see a huge difference in 64bit being able to address all that ram.  It's a big jump but depending on your projects and workflow it's a major improvement.  And there's plenty of folks here willing to help you get it sussed.  Give 'er a whirl.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 13:17:21 (permalink)
    I tend to keep 2 partitions for each OS - one for "normal" use and one for DAW use.  You can use the same approach for your 32 vs 64 bit dilemma.  Make a new bootable partition (Win 7 makes it easy) and install 64 bit os, 8.5 and X1 onto it.  Then you can compare to your hearts content.  I have had no issues sharing projects between X1 on 32bit XP and 64 bit Win7.

    If you do have something that insists on 32 bit operation, you can jump into 32, record, freeze and export, and then bring it in on the 64 bit side.  The reality is that I haven't looked back, ad for simpler - 16-24 track projects, I don't even need to use the DAW specific partition with Win 7 (XP was another story).

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 13:19:21 (permalink)
    64 bit Sonar all the way. Almost every vst will work with Cakewalk's bit bridge or JBridge. The only hurdle after going 64bit is finding out which 32 bit plugs will work better with. For instance, I found that Addictive drums works much better with JBridge than Bit Bridge. My IK Multimedia plugs work better with bit bridge. Although during the vst scan, I get a vpa host message. It does not seem to matter about the message because I just click "ok" and it works anyway without issues.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 13:30:50 (permalink)
    Then 64 it is! I'm basically doing "embellished" hard-rock... So it's just DI guitars into free VST's, and Superior Drummer with my own sample library, and some synths (whatever I have laying around.) This is by no means recreating the Philharmonic, but I would like to get my latency down, and plugins up. I run quite a few now, but I sacrifice latency, and for some reason, I never freeze stuff... lazy I guess.

    But I do like to go back and forth between 8.5 and X1, but X1 is a whole different bag of beans to me. This was the first Sonar update that kinda threw me for a loop. I do like the prochannel, though!
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 13:57:04 (permalink)
    yorolpal


    Wow Mike..triple post...excellent!! :-)

    Me want that technique.
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 15:17:11 (permalink)
    Then 64 it is! I'm basically doing "embellished" hard-rock... So it's just DI guitars into free VST's, and Superior Drummer with my own sample library, and some synths (whatever I have laying around.) This is by no means recreating the Philharmonic, but I would like to get my latency down, and plugins up. I run quite a few now, but I sacrifice latency, and for some reason, I never freeze stuff... lazy I guess.

    my conclusion would then still or because of that 32bit..
    and if you read between the lines you'll see that everyone is hassling with some workarounds (f.e. JBridge)
    one day you will turn around and say why am I still in 32 bit when everything I want to use is 64?

    yeah, maybe it would be a good idea to switch to 64bit when that day arrives and not sooner.
    But then, as Steve pointed out, you can run both applications (or all 4) at the same time and choose whatever fits best..
    I am running a lot of UAD plugins (32bit) and some other stuff, and its a pita to run these plugins through Bitbridge.. maybe you can verify that for yourself and report back,..
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 21:03:04 (permalink)
    Nominee for dumbest question of the year.

    Dude, if you think you have a shot at the Dumbest Question of the Year Award, you obviously have no idea who you're up against!


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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/18 21:04:24 (permalink)
    Him am totally misinformed!

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/19 06:50:59 (permalink)
    Dude, if you think you have a shot at the Dumbest Question of the Year Award, you obviously have no idea who you're up against!
    I agree. This isn't a particularly dumb question and lots of people get confused about this ;-)



    So it's just DI guitars into free VST's, and Superior Drummer

    Go download the 64 bit version of Superior when you go 64 bit - you'll be able to load "huge" drumkits into memory.



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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2011/05/19 08:04:10 (permalink)
    Well, thank you for making me feel better about my question! I'll try and think of a dumber one in the future!

    Since I'm gonna have nothing but space, I guess I can run all 4 versions. And flip-thru and freeze if needed. 

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/03 19:49:38 (permalink)
    I just ordered a new machine and am making the plunge to 64 bit. I am currently still using 32 bit Sonar 8.5, I have X1 but have not installed it. I think when the new computer arrives I install X1 and move on.
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/03 20:07:22 (permalink)
    I too agonized over the 8.5 to X1 move and kept going back and forth between them.
    I made a big decision when X1C came out and that was to stick with X1 exclusively. I couldnt consolidate the new workflow by the to and fro but now am much more comfortable having stuck with X1. 
    Im starting a new PC build next week as per my signature. No dual boot and no multiple SONARs. Just Win7x64 and SONAR X1 x64. I wonder what it will run like.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/03 20:12:20 (permalink)
    First of all in order to capitalize on using 64-bit unique to have a computer that is running Windows 64-bit.
    If you are running a computer that has Windows 764 bit or any copy of Windows that is 64-bit and you can run sonar in 64-bit.

    Upon installation of sonar you will be asked which version you want to install 32-bit or 64-bit.
    Simply select 64-bit.

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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/04 05:32:34 (permalink)
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    Here it goes...

    I'm about to upgrade from Win7 32bit  to 64bit. I have both X1, and 8.5, I flop between the 2 of them till I become more comfortable with X1.
    But, this is my first venture into the world of 64bit.

    This is almost painful to ask... To utilize the 64-bit, and 8gb ram I have now, is all I have to do is click on the 64-bit engine button in both Sonar programs, or is there a X1 64bit version, and 8.5 64-bit version?

    I am an idiot.


    I did this - and soon became fed up with going back to 8.5



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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/04 05:34:04 (permalink)
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    I too agonized over the 8.5 to X1 move and kept going back and forth between them.
    I made a big decision when X1C came out and that was to stick with X1 exclusively. I couldnt consolidate the new workflow by the to and fro but now am much more comfortable having stuck with X1. 
    Im starting a new PC build next week as per my signature. No dual boot and no multiple SONARs. Just Win7x64 and SONAR X1 x64. I wonder what it will run like.


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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/04 05:58:59 (permalink)
    So... dumbest of dumb questions here: Why can't 32 bit Sonar see all your glorious over extended 64 bit ram (I have 16GB)? Applications run under the OS. It's the OS that manages it. A program is none the wiser, right? Or is it using some kind of 32 bit shell with full 32 bit limitations to run it?
     
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/05 07:56:22 (permalink)
    Fair = I'm glad you asked
    Lots of people ask this question.
     
    32 bit Windows can only see 4GB of RAM. Some of this is used to load Windows itself, and the rest is available for programs.
     
    64 bit Windows can use the full 64 bit address buss of the 64 bit CPU and motherboard - In principle, a 64-bit microprocessor can address 16 exabytes of memory. In practice, it is less than that.
    ( from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit )
     
    In short - 64 bit Windows can access all the memory you can put in most PCs nowadays...

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    er - that's it I think...
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/05 19:45:37 (permalink)
    Hey There To All! I am just now starting to use my ASUS i7 2670QM after 7 years with my P4 and Sonar 5.2PE. I am not used to Windows 7 (Home Prem), either. This machine has 2X500 gb WD with the second partioned in equal halves as D and E. 
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/05 20:15:29 (permalink)
    Please forgive me. I am not doing well with the laptop pad and keep erasing my "part 2 " of the above post.
    1.I want to know if putting audio on D and content on E is of any value if they are one physical drive.
    2. If i cannot run X1d (as admininstrator) what did I do? or rather if I start all over what order do I add things? I have bought a bunch of CW stuff over the past few months and then moved into a new house. So I am just booting up this new laptop and hoping to insall Sonar X1d PE expanded and all the Pro Channel stuff and Zeta2 and more blah blah . Can anyone direct me to the steps? Thanks in advance.
    There is nothing on the laptop Cakewalk-wise, yet  and I have not tried to install the Tascam US1641 driver to run the Profiler when I do open Sonar.
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/06 09:24:12 (permalink)
    X1 -> X1c -> Expanded -> X1d -> doesn't really matter after that, Z3ta, PC Modules

    If you do want to TOTALLY reinstall, start by

    Just follow this:

    http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2258337&mpage=1&print=true

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    pentimentosound
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    Re:X1 64bit = Nominee for dumbest question of the year. 2012/07/06 11:07:55 (permalink)
    Thank you Jonesey! I will give it a go! This is my first post-forum attempt and I am sure it will go well, once I learn to type and not erase everything on this laptop!    I do think I will reinstall it with the content in my E drive (audio in D and backup externally).
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