pjchappy
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X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
I am having an issue with my newly installed X1 Producer. I went to record some drums today via a external MIDI controller (a simple Yamaha DD-65 via an E-MU MIDI plug). I added EZ Drummer as my Soft Synth. . .started messing around and it seemed to (briefly) work fine. . then the system crashed. I now try to do the same thing and I get about a 3.5 second delay from when I hit a pad to when it registers. I tried it with Session Drummer and get the same problem. Here are some of my settings and info. Let me know if you want more. CPU: AMD 1055T (6-core) OCd to 3.7 Ghz RAM: 8 GB 1800 DDR3 SDRAM OS: Windows 7 64-Bit Professional Soundcard: E-MU 0404 USB HDDs: 7200 RPM HDDs set up in RAID 0 array X1 Settings: - Latency: 6 ms (ASIO) - Playback Timing Master: E-MU 0404 - Record Timing Master: E-MU 0404 - Driver Bit Depth: 24 (64-Bit Double Precision Engine selected) - Sampling Rate: 192 Khz - MIDI Input: E-MU XMIDIX1 (connected to the Yamaha DD-65) - MIDI Output: None selected - Multiprocessor option selected - MIDI Track: Input - E-MU XMIDIX1; Output - Master - No plug-ins on the Master Earlier, I was working with a keyboard MIDI controller and using other instrument Soft Synths with no problem. I have not tried the keyboard again since I tried to work with the drum controller. Again, please let me know if you need any more info. Thanks, P
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 17:28:06
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 17:47:44
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pchappy, thanks for supplying all your relevant data. I have had this happen on occasion and it's your midi driver that may be hung in memory. You may find it in task manager and release it or just reboot. That should clear it up. Once it hangs, at the driver level getting it to work again is hit or miss without a reboot. Did you try hitting the midi/audio reset button on the control bar?
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pjchappy
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 17:55:04
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The problem persists after multiple reboots. Yes, I tried hitting the reset, to no avail.
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 17:59:46
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OK, other suggestions. - Try deleting the instance of Ezdrummer from the project then start again. -See if there is some other VST instrument causing the problem by starting the project in safe mode. Load only one and check the response. Then try loading again with two etc. until you have duplicated the problem. You can track down the culprit this way. - Try a new project with just one VST, is the problem still there?
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 18:03:24
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Another thing, that EMU is USB based, are there a lot of other USB devices connected? Also try turning the DD65 off then on.
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pjchappy
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 19:13:41
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- Have tried deleting the instance of EZ Drummer and adding it back in. No go. - No other VST instruments in the project. - One other (active) USB device connected - Line 6 TonePort UX1 - Have turned the DD-65 off and on. No go. - Just started a new project with just a rough mix of the original project mixed down to one track. Added the EZ Drummer Soft Synth and have the same problem. I feel like there must be some setting I'm overlooking. Been very frustrating today. Thanks for the input. Keep the suggestions coming! P
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 20:01:46
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Unplug the Line 6 for this test. Check your midi buffers in the software. Mine is set for 500 for playback. In preferences make sure your synchronization is set to freewheel. You latency looks good but maybe try raising the ASIO buffers.
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pjchappy
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 20:21:50
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Well, I may have found a solution. . .and a very simple (and overlooked) one at that. I unplugged the MIDI cable and plugged it back in. Seems to be working for now. I did also have the Line 6 device unplugged at the same time. I'll see in my next instance if it still works with the Line 6 plugged in. I don't want to check right now because I don't feel like waiting for EZ Drummer to load back up. (I don't understand why it takes THAT long for it to load up, anyways!) P
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 20:24:52
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The next time I help someone with midi I am going to start with the midi cable. This is the second thread I have helped on in the last month that turned out to be a cable issue. I was actually going to suggest this next. Glad you got it figured out. Regarding EZ, if you want it to load faster there is a cache mode which will do that.
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 20:27:55
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Please tell me more about this cache mode! Thanks again for all your help. P
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 20:36:59
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My bad, that's only in Superior, its big brother drum software. Have not used EZ in awhile.
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 21:22:28
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Re: slow EZdrummer load times. EZdrummer is a 16 bit @44.1 khz sample rate sampler. If you have your soundcard set at 24 bit @ 48 khz you may be having to wait till all the samples are resampled to that spec. You can set SONAR X1 to Import at the original bit depth in the Preferences.File.Audio Data. That may speed things up. Also, waiting till the samples load before playing EZdrummer will speed up the full load.
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 22:03:40
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PJchappy, Mod Bod is the MAN regarding Toontracks products. I learned something there too Dave. Good to know. Thanks.
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/30 23:30:51
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Just checked. The Import selection is/has been set to Original. To play the sample correctly, doesn't that mean the program has to convert this to the bit-depth and sampling rate that I am recording at? P
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Re:X1 -- LONG delay from external MIDI drum controller
2011/01/31 07:51:34
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pjchappy Just checked. The Import selection is/has been set to Original. To play the sample correctly, doesn't that mean the program has to convert this to the bit-depth and sampling rate that I am recording at? P Yes. Excessively long load times means that there is some sort of process that is ocurring. If you are running low on RAM you can run into this. If sample rates are being converted it can prolong the load. If you are using an external hard drive to store your samples it will slow things down. If you start triggering samples before the library has loaded, EZdrummer will slow down the load as it tries to do two jobs at once. It seems to try to use a sort of cache mode as it loads the samples for the velocities and midi notes it is receiving. This is only a hunch so take it with a grain of salt.
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