? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs

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2011/12/29 07:58:54 (permalink)

? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs

Can any one help? X1 Producer has stopped responding to CC64/sustain messages. Outsied Sonar: Checked to see if CC64 is transmitted/recieved normally: Dimension Pro in standalone mode responds correctly to CC64 both from sustain pedal and controller button and MidiOX reports it too. Inside X1: RS-Met Midimonitor VST in SonarX1 shows all controller messages _except_ CC64. Neither the sustain pedal or a controller button set to CC64 are registered by X1. Samples used are those that permit sustain e.g. piano & electric piano. Behaviour: *Without sustain pedal: piano key notes transmitted as normal. *notes pressed then sustain pedal after - notes are sustained but prevents any further notes from being played. Current notes are 'stuck' in sustain mode until pressed again *Sustain pedal pressed first - no notes played are heard! It's as if something in Sonar is filtering out CC64 messages and any associated notes. Anyone any clues? All help appreciated. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to you! Gary Sonar X1 Pro, Intel Quad Q8300, 4MBRam, 1.5TB Storage, Presonus1394, Studiologic VMK-188+, Fatar dual footpedal.

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    brundlefly
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    Re:? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs 2011/12/29 10:28:01 (permalink)
    Your symptoms are contradictory. On the one hand you say the messages are not detected by RS-Met Midimonitor VST and that synths are not responding to them, but on the other hand you describe symptoms of synths responding, but not responding correctly.


    All in all, it sounds a little bit like what happens when you have a keyboard that sends All Notes Off (CC123) when the last key is released. Some synths don't handle this message properly in conjunction with CC64 which should override All Notes Off. Dim Pro and most NI synths are among these. This is a synth-programming problem, not a SONAR problem, and can only be addressed by filtering out the offending CC123 messages or stopping them from being sent if your keyboard allows it.


    Let us know what controller you're using, and whether any of the monitors show it's sending CC123.


    My only other thought is something is up with the way the Fatar pedals are configured or connected.

    EDIT: Ah, I see it's the Fatar  Studiologic VMK-188+. I'll check it out.

    EDIT 2: Found nothing yet about CC123, but this statement in an SOS review suggests the Fatar offers many possibilities for setting up pedals/functions incorrectly:

    " The VMK188 has three pedal/foot controller inputs (more than some master keyboards at around this spec/price point) and these have the same five parameters as the sliders and knobs. Here the Polarity setting is particularly useful, and could be used to deliberately invert one pedal but not another. The inputs are all freely assignable; personally, I prefer to have one 'hard-wired' to sustain-pedal duties, but it doesn't take too long to program this into your patches. "






    post edited by brundlefly - 2011/12/29 10:37:36

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    Re:? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs 2011/12/29 15:31:51 (permalink)
    Hi BrundleFly Thank you for replying and yes - I see the contradiction now. ...it is the case that sustain in Sonar interferes with note on/off and also that CC64 is not detected by MidiMonitor, so CC64 must be getting into Sonar and being manipulated some other way. I am certain it's not a hardware/controller problem as the same config works perfectly with Dim Pro in standalone mode. I'll check out CC123. It is rather strange as I've been using the same setup for 2 years and only have need for a few presets so I'm in the dark as to why this suddently happened! However, it is possible that I'm the culprit! I'll let you know... Thank you for helping. regards Gary

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    Re:? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs 2011/12/29 16:13:22 (permalink)
    The part about Dim Pro standalone working correctly is certainly a little strange. Dim Pro standalone has the same problem with CC123 as it does inside SONAR, so you really shouldn't see a difference if that's the issue.

    But the only thing I know of that can interfere with transmission of controller messages in SONAR is to have the MIDI Event Filter plugin in track's FX bin, and that wouldn't happen by accident.

    So I'm thinking either SONAR is not getting along with your MIDI port driver or the keyboard is sending/formatting messages in an unusual way. But nothing really adds up with the symptoms. 


    And this was working okay at some point? Does the problem affect all projects?





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    Re:? X1 Pro not responding to CC64/sustain msgs 2011/12/31 04:21:06 (permalink)
    I had the Fatar with 76 keys or whatever it was. It does not suffer from AllNotesOff thingy.

    What I remember is that Fatar had this polarity setting - but it does not quite make sense if it works with DP and have worked before. And I understand it still works with DP standalone.

    I recall having read here about one guy having a similar problem and it had something todo with ACT and external controller he had. Everything is processed through that and he changed something and it worked.


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