X1 producer new computer specs?

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2013/01/17 10:04:50 (permalink)

X1 producer new computer specs?

I've been out of the loop for quite a while & I upgraded to X1 producer from HS6 about 6 months ago. I opened it up once & haven't even used it yet & now X2 is already out. Anyways I've been planning on upgrading my computer too. I don't need anything top of the line because I only use about 6 to 10 tracks. I would appreciate any recommendations for: Motherboard CPU Video Card RAM Windows version or anything else considered a must.

Gary,

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    Beepster
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 10:34:44 (permalink)
    Check out the this link to the Cakewalk system guide:

    https://www.cakewalk.com/PCResource/default.aspx

    Lots of good info there. Particularly the ADK link. Here's a link to ADKs systems page. If you click through it takes you to their online system builder where you can see what parts they use:

    http://www.adkproaudio.com/choose2.asp

    But generally you'd be good with...

    CPU: i7 series

    RAM: 8GB DDR3 or more

    HDD: 7200RPM (Caviar Blacks are good) or you could get an SSD

    MOBO: It would depend on what you needed for connections but both Gigabyte and ASUS make some good boards.

    Then just make sure you have quality interface. Obviously this is very general but it should get you into the ballpark. Cheers.


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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 10:51:02 (permalink)
    Today's PC's at your local big electronic stores can handle most anything now. Just get soemhtnig with an i7 and get at least a quad core with at least 8 gigs of ram and youll be set. Make sure to get extra hard drives for your audio also

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    konradh
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 11:37:44 (permalink)
    CJ is right and I would add that be sure you run the PC and Sonar in 64-bit if you plan to use a lot of plugins or virtual instruments so your PC can address all the memory.

    I assume 64-bit is pretty standard now...

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    garyed
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 12:51:23 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice, I've not heard good things about Windows8 so I wonder if I would be better off with Windows7 for my OS.

    Gary,

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    you have a lot more.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 13:14:13 (permalink)
    Windows 7 Home and Pro will be supported until 2018 (2015 for Ultimate so maybe avoid that). We don't really know what's gonna happen with 8 yet and a lot of the manufacturers haven't gotten their drivers up to date yet either. 

    Some may not agree with this statement but I think Win 7 is probably the safer and perhaps wiser choice right now. It just works and pretty much everything has solid Win 7 drivers at the moment (and likely will for a long time like XP did). 8 just seems like a gamble at this point. 

    Just my opinion. Cheers.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 13:25:01 (permalink)
    garyed


    Thanks for the advice, I've not heard good things about Windows8 so I wonder if I would be better off with Windows7 for my OS.

    This depends on what sound card you get and if it has good Win 8 drivers. Everyone is always scared to go to the next new windows, but from my experience, as long as your sound card driver has good drivers for that window architecture, you'll bee just fine...


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    Paul P
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 13:25:33 (permalink)
    You scared me with that, Beepster, me who just installed Win7 Ultimate on my brand new system that is supposed to last me at least 10 years like the last one.

    So I ran over to Microsoft and looked it up and they say Ultimate will be supported until 2020 (phew).

    It's support for "Ultimate N" which ends in 2015, that's a version for european countries.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 13:32:28 (permalink)
    Sorry about that Paul. They must have changed it since I was shopping for an OS. It did really strike me as odd the Ultimate Version was going to be dropped sooner but that was directly from the MS website a little over a year ago. That's why I opted for Pro over Ultimate. Thanks for the updated info.

    Cheers.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 14:33:27 (permalink)
    I've been using an M-audio audiophile 2496 for about 7 years & have never had a problem with it & don't plan on changing it if I don't have to. Even though it only has RCA hookups the sound quality is excellent. M_audio is pretty good about drivers so I'll probably be O.K. with Win7. My other question is a lot of boards today come with built in audio & video. I assume they can be disabled in the BIOS. Does anyone here ever use the onboard video? I'm just not getting the difference between PCIe or PCIe2.0, 2.1, 3.0 etc.. so I'm considering using the onboard video. I know I sound like a novice but I've been building my own systems for a pretty long time & just haven't done it in about 7 years so a lot has changed in the hardware department.

    Gary,

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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 14:53:05 (permalink)
    If the system is powerful enough then onboard vid should be fine. Dedicated cards these days are more for the high end gamer crowd.

    That said I bought a cheapo Gigabyte NVIDIA card for $30 for my rig just to be brutally cautious. Frankly I think the thing might actually take up MORE resources. lol

    I don't recall having to disable onboard video. The audio, yes. It's easy. The control panel in Win 7 is straightforward and if you want it even simpler google CNET + Win7 God Mode and it'll show you how to enable god mode in win7. It essentially gives you access to every single adjustable feature in Win 7 in a list form control panel. It's pretty awesome.

    Cheers.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 15:46:35 (permalink)
    Beepster with windows 7 or 8 you need to have a good quality graphics card to get the full benefits of graphics processing. A hard core gamer may have multiple graphics cards to get the fastest screen updates (Frames Per Second). They can spend more for the graphics than they do on the computer. For just general computing such as word processing an on board graphics card is fine. For doing DAW work or video work you do need a good graphics card. 

    If you rely on on board graphics you will also be using system memory and the kind of screen updates needed for a smooth display for VSTs and the like will suffer.

    Using a DAW is not general computing.  

    Best
    John
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 15:58:50 (permalink)
    Hi, John. I realize that but if there is enough processing power on the system already Sonar should run fine. Seriously my vid card sucks and everything is working great. I could probably get away with not using it at all. The i7s also have graphics acceleration or magical fairies or whatever it is that make things easier on the system.

    What I'm saying is OP doesn't need an expensive graphics card to run Sonar if his system hardware is decent... particularly the CPU. Obviously a good graphics card is always ideal but Sonar isn't draining resources to display graphics like a high end modern game would. Even then if there are issues due to graphics there are options to lighten the load. I was shocked at the price of graphics cards these days. Totally unnecessary IMO.

    YMMV
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:01:14 (permalink)
    Check this out . It may help understand the point I am making. 

    Best
    John
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:10:58 (permalink)
    I totally understand what you're saying John but for most stuff in Sonar it's not that big a deal. If you're displaying a bunch of intense mastering tools GUIs that need crazy refresh rates or something sure but with a decent processor and things set up well you shouldn't need an expensive graphics card. I brought this up with Cake tech support and after I described my system to them and mentioned my crummy card they basically said it was a non issue with my specs.

    IDK... I just wouldn't want the guy to spend extra money on something unnecessary. If things go wonky then maybe look into it.

    Meh... JMO. Depends on the situation I guess.

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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:23:52 (permalink)
    Beepster


    Hi, John. I realize that but if there is enough processing power on the system already Sonar should run fine. Seriously my vid card sucks and everything is working great. I could probably get away with not using it at all. The i7s also have graphics acceleration or magical fairies or whatever it is that make things easier on the system.

    What I'm saying is OP doesn't need an expensive graphics card to run Sonar if his system hardware is decent... particularly the CPU. Obviously a good graphics card is always ideal but Sonar isn't draining resources to display graphics like a high end modern game would. Even then if there are issues due to graphics there are options to lighten the load. I was shocked at the price of graphics cards these days. Totally unnecessary IMO.

    YMMV

    Ever since Vista the idea that a cheap graphics card will do is wrong. Vista used Aero which off loaded the screen updates to the graphics card. This improved 2d apps and the desktop appearance in general. Many saw Vista as slow and unresponsive because it was being run on old under powered gear due to a low powered graphics card. This has not changed except that hardware developers have adjusted to the new requirements. Also CPUs have gotten a lot more powerful. With a DAW like Sonar it needs all the CPU it can get. By using a low powered graphics card you put added strain on the CPU that your OS is meant to avoid. 

    This is not just to have a good looking desktop it is for increasing the overall performance of the system that will give big dividends to Sonar.  

    You don't need the power of a hard core gamer but an upgrade to the graphics card will be very useful for all computing running a modern OS. 

    Best
    John
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:28:09 (permalink)
    Beepster


    I totally understand what you're saying John but for most stuff in Sonar it's not that big a deal. If you're displaying a bunch of intense mastering tools GUIs that need crazy refresh rates or something sure but with a decent processor and things set up well you shouldn't need an expensive graphics card. I brought this up with Cake tech support and after I described my system to them and mentioned my crummy card they basically said it was a non issue with my specs.

    IDK... I just wouldn't want the guy to spend extra money on something unnecessary. If things go wonky then maybe look into it.

    Meh... JMO. Depends on the situation I guess.

    This is the problem it is necessary. We can't use the same hardware that we used with XP any more. 

    I understand the need to keep costs down but DAW work is very demanding and its not the cheapest thing to get involved with.  

    Best
    John
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:30:40 (permalink)
    I'm just going by what Cake support told me and what I've experienced so far. The guys at support just said with my specs the graphics card shouldn't even come into play. I've got an i7 2600k and 16 GB of RAM... just for reference. I forget my vid card model but it is indeed a cheapo.

    Not trying to be argumentative and definitely if the money is there might as well snag a nice vid card but it doesn't seem to be causing problems on my system.

    Cheers.
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:36:05 (permalink)
    This is the vid card I'm using...

    http://www.newegg.ca/Prod...x?Item=N82E16814125392
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:47:42 (permalink)
    Beep that card is not an underpowered card. You have DDR 3 plus its 1 GB. Cost is not the important issue its the technology that matters. Would a faster one be better, yes, but that card is not a poor choice.

     

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    John
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 16:51:13 (permalink)
    Well I did research the hell out of it but in the grand scheme of things it was an afterthought. Essentially I earmarked all my cash for the build then at the end realized I had forgotten to add a vid card (my MOBO supposedly doesn't have onboard vid but the VGA out does actually work... not sure what that's about). I scrounged around the internet for something cheap with good reviews. That's what I came up with.

    $30
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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 17:02:17 (permalink)
    I think you did everything right Beep. Research is the key. 

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    Re:X1 producer new computer specs? 2013/01/17 17:12:22 (permalink)
    I certainly tried my best. Seems to all be working. *touch wood*
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