X1 upgrade qstn

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2012/05/09 20:36:57 (permalink)

X1 upgrade qstn

I use Sonar 8.3 Pro, however I have a lot of 3rd party plugs so I don't think I take full advantage of the pro part of my licence. I just looked at upgrades to X1, and it's a little confusing for me. There seem to be many different options. Can anyone make a recommendation as to what would be closest to what I have?
 
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    Re: X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/09 20:48:05 (permalink)
    X1 Producer is the upgrade equivalent to the SONAR 8.3 Producer that you have at the moment. 
    That is 2 versions up from 8.3 as 8.5 was released as a paid upgrade.

    SONAR 8 with various free updates to 8.3.1
    SONAR 8.5 with various free updates to 8.5.3
    SONAR X1 with various free updates to X1D
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    Re: X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/09 20:58:39 (permalink)
    I would fully recommend going for X1 Pro Expanded.


    I know you will find that what you get in X1 Pro E will prove very useful. Prochannel is a very remarkable addition to Sonar. it will change how you do things.  Plus tons of great other things are included too. New things that will increase your productivity.

    Keep in mind though X1 is not just an upgrade to Sonar. It is a very different new version. It will require you to relearn how to do things. Is it worth it? Absolutely!

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    Re: X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/09 21:47:26 (permalink)
    try out the trial of x1, see what you think. not anyone else

    http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/web-trial.aspx 
    it doesn't have  everything obv. but it'll give you an idea

    as mentioned already it's changed how it is interface wise.. depends on how you learn , but adding scott's book or some of the many videos would help (I'm signed up to groove3 as I use a few things by various companies) and they'll help give you a kick start. 
     
    it all depends on what plugins you have, you don't say.. I mean I bought the pro channel pack / expanded.., but already have emulations of the levelling amp (by another company) , just as a VST not as  built in.. it's quicker to access it, without having to go into the vst interface.

     there is a comparison chart also 

    http://www.cakewalk.com/products/SONAR/SONAR%20X1-Comp-Chart.pdf

    you'll need to select "Download for SONAR 7 or 8 Producer Customers" from whatever upgrade you pick anyway. I'm assuming you didn't buy the 8.5 upgrade ?


    if you get the download product.. make sure your internet connection is good enough (they are very big files).. or you can buy the physical boxed product also..

    http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-CXSP1.00-20E
    or
    http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-CXPS1.00-20E


    I'm guessing are 2 main options for you ? I'd ring them up if your US based, perhaps.

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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/09 22:54:29 (permalink)
    bandontherun19

    I use Sonar 8.3 Pro, however I have a lot of 3rd party plugs so I don't think I take full advantage of the pro part of my licence. I just looked at upgrades to X1, and it's a little confusing for me. There seem to be many different options. Can anyone make a recommendation as to what would be closest to what I have?
     
    Thanks.
    You have to decide if you want to use the Pro Channel. If you don't want to use the Pro Channel, there's really not a lot of reason to upgrade, unless of course you want to relearn how to use envelopes, lose all of your toolbar customization, not have control over color customization, deal with an 'improved' snap in PRV. Then, depending on your system stability, which can't be gauged by how well 8.3 runs, you may have a host of other problems.

    I'm only pointing this out because of how long you've been using SPE8.3, and I'm sure you're very comfortable with it. A lot has changed. But you're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll pick up on it in time. Pfft, I did.

    If you're ok with change, you'll be fine.

    Planning on upgrading your PC? Go with a pro who will tell you X1 runs great on their system but may fail to tell you about the bugs that you won't find out about until they happen, you scratch your head for three days, then come upstairs here and weed through the countless responses by the fanboi's who will tell you X1 runs perfectly, only to find out there's nothing you can do to fix your problem. But that's true of all software, right? Of course.

    There are some really good crossgrade offers out there right now too.

    Just giving my honest opinion.

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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/10 04:55:39 (permalink)
    Just curious Bub, do you have such a positive outlook on everything?

    To the OP try the trial and see what you think. It's like Marmite - you'll either love it as some of us do or hate it as others do. Make your own mind up, I personally wouldn't take any notice of what users say on here, and that includes me.
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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/10 09:54:51 (permalink)
    FastBikerBoy

    Just curious Bub, do you have such a positive outlook on everything?
    I sure do! 

    I know bandontherun19 from the songs forum, and I'd feel bad if I told him everything was rosy and shiny knowing all the problems myself and others have had. If you're mainly using 3rd party plugs, there are some crossgrade options out there now for products that have some really nice features built in that Sonar just doesn't offer. If you like the idea of the Pro Channel then jump in, but if you've got a lot of money invested in 3rd party plugs like he does, I really think you got to ask yourself some questions and weigh all of your options.
    To the OP try the trial and see what you think. It's like Marmite - you'll either love it as some of us do or hate it as others do. Make your own mind up, I personally wouldn't take any notice of what users say on here, and that includes me.
    Coming here and asking which DAW version to get is like going to a Chevy owners convention and asking which truck is best, they sure as heck aren't going to tell you to go look at an F350 King Ranch.

    I'm curious, is the demo of X1 built off the original release with all the bad bugs, or is the demo updated periodically with the current patches? It was released after I purchased X1 so I've never downloaded it and tried it.


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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/10 10:16:50 (permalink)
    Fair enough Bub, but don't forget - for a fair number of us, everything IS rosy & shiny.

    Yeah there's a few minor bugs, none of which are showstoppers and all can easily be worked around (just like 99.999999999999999999999999999% of all other software)

    There's always room for improvement just like there's no danger of achieving perfection (the tale of humanity)

    As for the 3rd party plugs, the vast majority will run on X1 so I don't see that being a limiting factor.

    Again, those that won't are probably not coded very well and you'd do well not bringing them into X1 at all.

    That's my take on it.

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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/10 10:41:19 (permalink)
    I know bandontherun19 from the songs forum, and I'd feel bad if I told him everything was rosy and shiny knowing all the problems myself and others have had.
    That's where we are alike then, 'cos I'd feel bad telling him it was rubbish and crash happy while myself and others find it rosy and shiny and a great improvement on previous versions.

    Hence my advice to trial it rather than listen to any one on here.
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    Re:X1 upgrade qstn 2012/05/11 11:13:35 (permalink)
    FastBikerBoy
    I know bandontherun19 from the songs forum, and I'd feel bad if I told him everything was rosy and shiny knowing all the problems myself and others have had.
    That's where we are alike then, 'cos I'd feel bad telling him it was rubbish and crash happy while myself and others find it rosy and shiny and a great improvement on previous versions.

    Hence my advice to trial it rather than listen to any one on here.
    His questions can't really be answered by using a trial in my opinion. That's why I went in to detail about the changes and what to expect.

    There are better options out there now that offer more if you don't buy in to the Pro Channel way of thinking or have no need for the Pro Channel because you already have a lot of 3rd party plugs like Robby does. It's not a slam on anyone personally, or Cakewalk, it's just a fact. I acknowledge and accept that X1 works great for some and I'm truly happy for you guys.

    I'm sure you'll make it work regardless of what you run in to Robby, just like I did for over a year. My post was my experience and the experience of some others. I can't give you exact numbers. If I had to guess, it seems split 50/50 between those that have it working great and love the new working environment, and those who can't get it to work and dislike the new working environment. Of course, that's just the people who frequent this forum.

    I'm in a bad mood today so give me a break guys. I'm stuck in a hotel room in Kansas City with a new semi hollow body guitar and no amp. I'm going insane!

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