X1D what's the verdict?

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 20:06:05 (permalink)
Me likey likey X1D. :)


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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 20:10:50 (permalink)
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Apparently the people posting above don't use the staff view.

Same bugs since X1c:  Snap-to functions do not work when entering notes on staff view.
                                    Track pane in staff view doesn't switch active tracks, as in all 
                                    previous versions of Sonar.

                                    Often piano roll view and staff views do not refresh properly, 
                                    remnants of old view still present

These bugs (and others in event list) keep me from using it.  I've always upgraded, this time no way.  Cakewalk is simply not listening to users who spend a lot of time in the staff view when sequencing.

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Which version are you using now?


You're right about the assumption of staff view for me here anyway. Never use it, so if you're having troubles I hear you for having frustration. I used to use staff view a lot in Logic and Sonar. Just less and less midi work there now.

 
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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 20:35:46 (permalink)
I recently installed X1 Expanded. That started a string of BSOD's which I've never seen before. I also had several tracks go silent that I had been working on and had to scrap the project.

Then I installed X1D for Expanded last night ...

The very first thing I do is try to use my shiny new Saturation Knob. I adjusted it up, went too far, and turned the knob back down, but unfortunately it wouldn't back down. In other words, if I turned it all the way up, then turned it all the way back down, it was stuck all the way up. I can turn the module off and back on and it's still stuck. Plus ... the tracks that I used it on, crackle and pop now, even after a reboot. Another project scrapped.

I wasn't paying close attention but I could swear the comp module turned on by itself which has been a nasty bug in X1 since day 1. Oddly, I got an email a couple days before the D patch was released stating that the problem had been fixed.

I've pretty much given up all hope of this mess getting straightened out. Like the song says, "Three steps forward and two steps back." (See link below)

"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 20:49:31 (permalink)
Have you made the install like it was supposed to (roll ,back to the unfixed patch)

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 20:50:56 (permalink)
Let me guess: X1d is an utter disaster on Bub's computer....

Hard luck Bub- keep trying!
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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 21:02:40 (permalink)
in the browser when previewing loops...i used to be able to use my up and down arrows to cycle up and down to preview the different loops..an example is..i click a loop and it plays as normal..then if i hit the down button,it goes to the next loop and preview that one,an so on..well no the up and down arrows have no effect what so ever...dude..this stinks..that was my meat and potatos for browsing loops..could be something maybe i need to set(something in cakewalk.ini ??? or maybe in preferences..but for right now..i cant figure it out...anyone else?

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 21:12:00 (permalink)
@Zo: Yep. I was already at the build number the instructions said I should be at so I didn't have to do anything as far as a roll back.

It's not unheard of for existing projects to have problems when updates are installed ... I'm going to fire up my DAW and do some new projects and see how it goes.

Thanks for the tip Zo.

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/07 21:15:11 (permalink)
Thks for the rap Bud ;)

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 05:01:11 (permalink)
X1d. Is it perfect? nope. Is it a great piece of software to create music in? Absolutely.
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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 06:14:41 (permalink)
Seems solid as a rock here. Not one crash or glitch. I don't use staff view very much (and not for entering notes anyhow). I think the new Pro channel EQ is a big improvement! Still checking it all out, but no issues so far.
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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 06:34:00 (permalink)
Looking good here but I've admittedly only scratched the surface. But like X1c, X1d seems stable so far.

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 11:10:51 (permalink)
Getting some freezing behaviour if I use the mouse to locate a node in the new EQ. Sometimes after you make an adjustment, the EQ just freezes and you can no longer adjust the frequency curve. You can then adjust the knobs but their settings don't reflect in the frequency curve area above. This is channel specific as one channel will stay frozen, but others will work fine.

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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 11:25:56 (permalink)
Bub


I recently installed X1 Expanded. That started a string of BSOD's which I've never seen before. I also had several tracks go silent that I had been working on and had to scrap the project.

Then I installed X1D for Expanded last night ...

The very first thing I do is try to use my shiny new Saturation Knob. I adjusted it up, went too far, and turned the knob back down, but unfortunately it wouldn't back down. In other words, if I turned it all the way up, then turned it all the way back down, it was stuck all the way up. I can turn the module off and back on and it's still stuck. Plus ... the tracks that I used it on, crackle and pop now, even after a reboot. Another project scrapped.

I wasn't paying close attention but I could swear the comp module turned on by itself which has been a nasty bug in X1 since day 1. Oddly, I got an email a couple days before the D patch was released stating that the problem had been fixed.

I've pretty much given up all hope of this mess getting straightened out. Like the song says, "Three steps forward and two steps back." (See link below)

Bub,
There is a bug in the current version of the Softube plugs that causes them to not work properly if you have dual monitors and your main monitor screen is logically located BELOW your secondary monitor. They will exhhibit symptoms similar to what you have seen. I beta tested a patched version which fixes the problem. This version did not make it into X1D. I presume the fix will be in the next Softube release.


There is a long forum topic on this issue I started when I first noticed it. There are two workarounds I found. The first was to play with the Softube plugs ONLY in the main monitor window. The other thing was to change the logical layout of my dual monitor setup so that they are side by side logically instead of top/bottom.


Hope this helps.


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Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 11:39:07 (permalink)
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I presume the fix will be in the next Softube release.

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 11:44:59 (permalink)
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    Solid here.  I know this is subjective, but it seems faster.  I know I have a fast machine and I did not expect to see a noticable improvement, but the speed of switching screensets and loading of vsts "seems" to have improved.  No crashes for me.

    I felt the same about faster loading screensets from the 1st time I loaded up X1d... others have noted this too


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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 12:32:40 (permalink)
    Love X1d!

    The only niggle I have is that my old(er) eyes have a hard time reading the tiny frequency label fonts on the new EQ. But hovering over the knob makes it better.

    I'm sure all you youngsters out there are laughing!  


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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 12:42:21 (permalink)
    Youngsters! On a sonar forum. It's like the movie 'Cocoon' on here, except everyone's a bit older.
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 12:44:41 (permalink)
    Well that's good to know! Now I can make obscure references to Beverly Hillbillies episodes..

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 12:47:48 (permalink)
    You could make obscure references to Harold Lloyd and they would get it.
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 12:59:56 (permalink)
    Bub


    I recently installed X1 Expanded. That started a string of BSOD's which I've never seen before. I also had several tracks go silent that I had been working on and had to scrap the project.

    Then I installed X1D for Expanded last night ...

    The very first thing I do is try to use my shiny new Saturation Knob. I adjusted it up, went too far, and turned the knob back down, but unfortunately it wouldn't back down. In other words, if I turned it all the way up, then turned it all the way back down, it was stuck all the way up. I can turn the module off and back on and it's still stuck. Plus ... the tracks that I used it on, crackle and pop now, even after a reboot. Another project scrapped.

    I wasn't paying close attention but I could swear the comp module turned on by itself which has been a nasty bug in X1 since day 1. Oddly, I got an email a couple days before the D patch was released stating that the problem had been fixed.

    I've pretty much given up all hope of this mess getting straightened out. Like the song says, "Three steps forward and two steps back." (See link below)

    Bub, at this point it's pretty obvious your computer is all sorts of messed up. There has to be some sort of hardware issue.
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:14:38 (permalink)
    Bub


    I recently installed X1 Expanded. That started a string of BSOD's which I've never seen before. I also had several tracks go silent that I had been working on and had to scrap the project.

    Then I installed X1D for Expanded last night ...

    The very first thing I do is try to use my shiny new Saturation Knob. I adjusted it up, went too far, and turned the knob back down, but unfortunately it wouldn't back down. In other words, if I turned it all the way up, then turned it all the way back down, it was stuck all the way up. I can turn the module off and back on and it's still stuck. Plus ... the tracks that I used it on, crackle and pop now, even after a reboot. Another project scrapped.

    I wasn't paying close attention but I could swear the comp module turned on by itself which has been a nasty bug in X1 since day 1. Oddly, I got an email a couple days before the D patch was released stating that the problem had been fixed.

    I've pretty much given up all hope of this mess getting straightened out. Like the song says, "Three steps forward and two steps back." (See link below)


    Hi Bub,

    Just to provide some clarification on your report:

    I just want to mention that CWBRN-5546, which was updated to "Fixed" on 3/2/2012, does indeed appear to be fixed. I just looked into the report myself.

    This particular report has two attached project files that have automation snapshots for ProChannel parameters. One of the project files is from your system that you sent is in CWBRN-5546, the other project is a project file I created myself to clearly identify the bug more easily.

    Previously when playing your project the 1176 compressor would turn on because it was reading an automation snapshot.

    Previously when playing my project the ProChannel EQ would automatically turn on and would cut off much of the low end because of how the envelopes were being read.

    Both of these projects identified the same issue, ProChannel modules incorrectly "auto-enabling" when reading automation snapshots.

    This no longer happens with either of these projects so it appears CWBRN-5546 is fixed in the context of what issue was identified in that report.

    If you're experiencing something else, please help us to figure out what it is with specifics. 

    Just so you know I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just want people to know that we didn't update all of CWBRNs to "Fixed" as a joke. We did it because in the context of the reports,  the issues were resolved.

    Best regards,

    Ryan Munnis
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:25:11 (permalink)
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    jsg


    Apparently the people posting above don't use the staff view.

    Same bugs since X1c:  Snap-to functions do not work when entering notes on staff view.
                                       Track pane in staff view doesn't switch active tracks, as in all 
                                       previous versions of Sonar.

                                       Often piano roll view and staff views do not refresh properly, 
                                       remnants of old view still present

    These bugs (and others in event list) keep me from using it.  I've always upgraded, this time no way.  Cakewalk is simply not listening to users who spend a lot of time in the staff view when sequencing.

    JG
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    Which version are you using now?


    You're right about the assumption of staff view for me here anyway. Never use it, so if you're having troubles I hear you for having frustration. I used to use staff view a lot in Logic and Sonar. Just less and less midi work there now.

    I'm using Sonar 7.0.2 in 64-bit mode with Win 7 -64 bit and 16GB RAM.  It works as expected in all the audio and midi functions I use.   I've been studying X1 since the beginning on my office computer (not my DAW) and continue to have much trouble with it.    I cannot justify inheriting a bunch of new bugs when sonically, musically and ergonomically I see no benefit.   IF the developers of X1d had fixed the bugs in the staff view so that the track pane changes active tracks, and IF they had left the color customization intact and IF the note values selected in the floating control bar consistently were congruent with the note value placed on the staff and IF the screensets refreshed properly, I'd probably upgrade just to stay current, but would still not gain any real sonic, musical or ergonomic advantage in doing so.   Sonar 7 is already 64 bit and my hardware is the best available (Adam S3A speakers, Yamaha DM2000 mixing console, Big Ben digital clock) so sound-wise there's no gain. 
     
    I actually like some of the ergonomic changes of X1.  I don't however understand why the developers created extra steps in creating audio volume envelopes, unless you have the right color scheme, the wave image becomes too faint to see it when selecting that track and using nodes on the envelope to fine-tune dynamics.  Doesn't make sense to me.  Simplifying the interface is not a bad idea, as so long as it doesn't cause a lot of extra steps (keystrokes) in getting common things done.  I see the trade-off, also I understand the financial necessity of issuing new versions, otherwise they'd go out of business!  But still, I want to see the developers focus on repairing what's already there rather than introduce new features while leaving old ones broken.  
     
    I'll continue using Sonar 7 until I can't use it anymore.  But this time I am totally open to looking at Digital Performer for Windows and Cubase, when for many years I would not, and had no need to, consider other DAWS.  My real hope is that the developers at Cakewalk address the issues I've been seeing.  But if not, Sonar 7 on my new system is more than good enough for quite some time.   
     
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:34:53 (permalink)
    Do you not get bored of constantly re-writing this post? I have to tell you, it's gotten old to read.

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:44:54 (permalink)
    For me, X1D has finally severed the psychological umbilical cord to 8.5.
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:50:53 (permalink)
    It will only be 'old' and irrelevant when cakewalk decide to fix it.

    Staff view has enough problems which are ignored by Cakewalk year after year without adding new problems in X1 updates.

    X1d has made SV a joke to use.. 



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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 13:51:53 (permalink)
    edited for clarity
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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 14:16:26 (permalink)
    Just completed some tracks while re-wired in Reason - absolutely no problems...
    Let the church say Amen, Hallelujah!!!!!

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 14:25:31 (permalink)
    I think the Bakers have cooked us up something special here.
     
    Before X1D, when I tweaked FX such as the LP64_MultiBand_64 I would get an instant audio engine stop.
     
    Now I just get momentary audio silence when adjusting the frequency, and no loss of audio if I am altering just the level.
     
    Often when opening a new project and triggering a soft synth for the first time the audio engine would stop. Now this doesn't happen.
     
    Big thumbs up here, my compliments to the chefs

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 14:46:03 (permalink)
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    Love X1d!

    The only niggle I have is that my old(er) eyes have a hard time reading the tiny frequency label fonts on the new EQ. But hovering over the knob makes it better.

    I'm with you on this one! 

    We'll not risk another frontal assault-that rabbit's dynamite!!!

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    Re:X1D what's the verdict? 2012/03/08 14:47:26 (permalink)
    I think X1-D is great! Been using it straight for three days and no problems yet.  I love the new key bindings updates-I use them all the time.

    We'll not risk another frontal assault-that rabbit's dynamite!!!

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