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2012/10/14 17:13:18 (permalink)

X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle [Solved]

Any thoughts?
 
Both X1 and X2 (x86 and x64) all exhibit this...
 
If I load a song it plays responsively... wait a few minutes still fine... try a longer wait and Uh-Oh!
 
First nothing happens, then I get a Not Responding message, then the message disappears and finally the song starts to play...
 
I tested this using another DAW app (S1Two) and it doesn't do this... what might be causing the cakewalk apps to do this?
 
Thanks...
Keni
 
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 18:28:50 (permalink)
    Hard disk has slept

    Background tasks: indexing, superfetching,...

    virus scan

    page file cleaning

    check scheduled tasks for those awaiting for no-user-activity

    on the potty
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 18:35:04 (permalink)
    Yup - you have some tweaks to make for your system.

    1.  Is it a desktop? Laptop? Crew Cut?  Comb Over?  (Perhaps you can list your system specs in your signature - just go to the forum profile and add them - it REALLY helps us helpers.
    2.  What OS?  64-bit or 32?
    3.  What's your shoe size?  Favorite color?

    I will list out some things for you to tweak that will help your computer not get hypnotized and fall asleep on you.  It's pretty simple stuff, and will fix this issue - I just need about 15 minutes to finish helping someone from Poland who is trying to finish something before they go to sleep or get invaded or whatever is going on over there - I DO know it is getting late for them.

    Bob Bone

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 19:34:48 (permalink)
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    Yup - you have some tweaks to make for your system.

    1.  Is it a desktop? Laptop? Crew Cut?  Comb Over?  (Perhaps you can list your system specs in your signature - just go to the forum profile and add them - it REALLY helps us helpers.
    2.  What OS?  64-bit or 32?
    3.  What's your shoe size?  Favorite color?

    I will list out some things for you to tweak that will help your computer not get hypnotized and fall asleep on you.  It's pretty simple stuff, and will fix this issue - I just need about 15 minutes to finish helping someone from Poland who is trying to finish something before they go to sleep or get invaded or whatever is going on over there - I DO know it is getting late for them.

    Bob Bone

    Thanks Guyz...
     
    I've got so little running here (according to task manager) that I don't see anything to turn off... I have disabled (set to never) all power save options... No anti-virus software installed... Indexing turned off... Maybe the potty? ;-)
     
    Bob... Here's the info you requested...
     
    1. Desktop -  Can't change my signature to include my specs... Problems with the forum's software. No matter how much I delete of my current sig, it tells me I've still got too many... Right down to nothing but my name... so I can't change any options... <sigh>...
     
    2. MacPro runnng Win7Pro x64 Under Bootcamp - Dual Xeon Quad Processors - 16GB RAM - Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL (USB) running ASIO.... All works fine except in Sonar... Studio1 Two doesn't do this...
     
    3.  8 - 8.5 / Black
     
     
    BTW... Task Manager shows 00 CPU activity for the 11 processes running...
     
    Thanks... with all your help I'm slowly getting this new machine to a cool performance level.... right now I can run projects without freezing and barely see mu cores working at 1.3ms.... ;-)
     
    Keni
     
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 19:52:53 (permalink)
    I think it does not like all the links, but thanks for the specs.

    I do not know anything much about bootcamp and Macs, but here is the deal on what we were talking about.

    Windows has default settings for things like balancing power needs and conserving power, and all of that.  For laptops there is sense in that, but not for us POWER users.

    What is happening is that the defaults in Windows are set to turn off things like your hard drive, or your monitor, or both, after some number of minutes.  It will also go inter hibernate mode, and that sort of thing.

    When it does this, it has to fire it all back up again, and when you are in something like a web browser, that's not a big deal.  But, if you are in something like Sonar, it has to load all of that stuff back into memory, and that can be a ridiculous amount of stuff, hence the nutty slow downs.

    So, the thing to do is to tell Windows NOT to do all that.

    There are a couple of places you want to go and make some tweaks:

    1.  Go to: Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options.  Once there, click on High Performance.
    2.  Now, to the right of that click on the link to Change Plan Settings
    3.  When that opens up, you should see it set to NEVER for both Turning Off the Display and for Put the Computer to Sleep.
    4.  Click on Change Advanced Power Settings - that will open up another dialog box
    5.  Click on the + sign next to where it says Hard Disk.
    6.  Click on the + sign next to Turn Off Hard Disk After
    7.  Enter 999 for the Setting.  This means it will not turn of the hard disk until 999 minutes with no activity.
    8.  Click Apply and back your way out of everything - clicking Apply anytime you see it enabled to click.

    That should do it.  Now your computer will stay awake as long as you do - maybe even longer.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 21:20:33 (permalink)
    When did you first notice this?
    Always the same project?
    Drinking the same amount before testing?

    I mostly suspect disk spin-down.

    Could be a BIOS power setting: CPU (speedstep), disk,...

    I suspect something sorta strange. But could be some of the windows stuffing:
    Reveiw the Task scheduler:
     most of the diagnosis, analysis, media center, disk defrag, stuff,.. is set for odd times.

    And::: Power stuff: 0 disables forever.


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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 21:25:08 (permalink)
    Priority should NOT be set to Background Processes for Sonar: ASIO runs as a daughter process.

    Reading some more: I now think it is some issue with the bootcamp. First look at the MAC stuff and then how to make sure bootcamp is way happy.

    Us windows only guys prolly can't help you.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 21:42:31 (permalink)
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    I think it does not like all the links, but thanks for the specs.

    I do not know anything much about bootcamp and Macs, but here is the deal on what we were talking about.

    Windows has default settings for things like balancing power needs and conserving power, and all of that.  For laptops there is sense in that, but not for us POWER users.

    What is happening is that the defaults in Windows are set to turn off things like your hard drive, or your monitor, or both, after some number of minutes.  It will also go inter hibernate mode, and that sort of thing.

    When it does this, it has to fire it all back up again, and when you are in something like a web browser, that's not a big deal.  But, if you are in something like Sonar, it has to load all of that stuff back into memory, and that can be a ridiculous amount of stuff, hence the nutty slow downs.

    So, the thing to do is to tell Windows NOT to do all that.

    There are a couple of places you want to go and make some tweaks:

    1.  Go to: Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options.  Once there, click on High Performance.
    2.  Now, to the right of that click on the link to Change Plan Settings
    3.  When that opens up, you should see it set to NEVER for both Turning Off the Display and for Put the Computer to Sleep.
    4.  Click on Change Advanced Power Settings - that will open up another dialog box
    5.  Click on the + sign next to where it says Hard Disk.
    6.  Click on the + sign next to Turn Off Hard Disk After
    7.  Enter 999 for the Setting.  This means it will not turn of the hard disk until 999 minutes with no activity.
    8.  Click Apply and back your way out of everything - clicking Apply anytime you see it enabled to click.

    That should do it.  Now your computer will stay awake as long as you do - maybe even longer.

    Bob Bone


    Hi Bob...

    I guess I didn't express myself well...

    I have all power saving options turned off (set to never) and have all indexing and the likes disabled... I have not disabled all the graphic "pretties" as the machine has more than enough power both unto itself and the graphics card to handle it...

    ... and I don't think it's any of these options as other DAW software on the machine (S1Two) does not do this... Only the Sonar programs... So I'm wondering if it has to do with Delay compensation or Buffer size somewhere? Things that can be set/changed within Sonar...

    Thanks again...
    Keni


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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 21:47:51 (permalink)
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    When did you first notice this?

     Since installing Sonar on this machine

    Always the same project?

    No... It happens with any project

    Drinking the same amount before testing?

    No, I continue to drink more as the problem continues...

    I mostly suspect disk spin-down.

    Could be a BIOS power setting: CPU (speedstep), disk,...

    I suspect something sorta strange. But could be some of the windows stuffing:
    Reveiw the Task scheduler:
     most of the diagnosis, analysis, media center, disk defrag, stuff,.. is set for odd times.

    And::: Power stuff: 0 disables forever.

    Priority is not set to background either...

    As I stated in my previous message, I have all power settings set to Never... No drive sleep, No Monitor sleep... Indexing Disabled etc.... and I say again...

    This is not happening in Studio1Two which I also have installed on this machine. So I truly doubt it's a windows setting or Bootcamp... I believe it's something in Sonar and I have it set the same for all 4 versions (64/32 of X1 and X2)

    Thanks...
    Keni




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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/14 22:28:26 (permalink)
    I was sorta poking the dark.

    All versions of Sonar?
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 00:31:33 (permalink)
    jm24


    I was sorta poking the dark.

    All versions of Sonar?

    Yeah... All versions...
     
    I think I'm on to something tho. I think it's a sleep mode built into the drive I'm using as audio drive... an old Seagate Barracuda PATA.... S1Two is using the primary drive only.... I'm going to investigate this some more. I can't afford to buy any drives right now (especially with the high prices since the Japanese Nuclear Disaster and Tsunami) and I don't wnat to take the Audio drive out of my old machine... So I'm hoping to discover a way to disable the drive's built in sleep?
     
    It's a Seagate Barracuda ST3750640AS P ATA and I've found some kind of commands related to the sleep and other functions in the drive's manual... I don't yet understand how or if they apply nor how to execute them... yet... but I'm following this line of thought...
     
    Thanks...
    Keni
     

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 04:30:46 (permalink)
    Could well be.

    I thought I remembered that even though I set the power options to High Performance that if you go into the advanced settings within that power plan that it STILL has it set to turn off the HARD DRIVE after some short number of minutes.

    THAT is why I suggest that you go look at that and make sure it is set to some crazy high number - I use 999.

    Everything you indicate above points to the hard drive going nighty-nite.

    Also, MULTIPLE places on web indicate it is better to have performance optimized for Background Services, so I do not at all understand why you seem to have deliberately not made THAT change - a bit baffling.  Your disk transfer process FASTER with that setting checked.

    Anyways, I URGE you to go check that SPECIFIC setting under advanced power settings for the hard drive sleep setting, and likewise urge you to optimize for background services.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 09:19:13 (permalink)
    "robert_e_bone"
    Also, MULTIPLE places on web indicate it is better to have performance optimized for Background Services, so I do not at all understand why you seem to have deliberately not made THAT change - a bit baffling.



    <cough>MMCSS</cough> 

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    Your disk transfer process FASTER with that setting checked.

    How so?
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 09:30:24 (permalink)
    It was my understanding that processing large/sustained data transfers was enhanced with this setting checked.  Is that not correct?

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 09:51:58 (permalink)
    This advice has been round for a while.As descrbed in this page:   http://www.audioforums.com/windows-xp-optimization.php

    Performance

    Under Start > Control Panel > System, select the Advanced tab. Click the Performance "Settings" button and select the Visual Effects tab. Choose ?adjust for best performance? and then select the Advanced tab. Under Processor Scheduling, select "Background services" to ensure lowest latency with ASIO-based drivers (ASIO drivers run as background services in Windows). Select "Programs" under Memory Usage to ensure that enough RAM gets allocated to your applications.


    BUT::::

     We have been told that Sonar runs ASIO as a daughter process, not a backgroud service.

    This does not mean some computers will work better with it checked.

    I have not read that it can affect data transfers. Am interested though.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:02:47 (permalink)
    Keni, rather than muck with setting on a probable cause for the drive you place your audio.. why not simply move those audio files to your program drive and see if it runs smoothly?

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:20:32 (permalink)
    when i started storing my project files on my main hard drive and not an external drive i noticed a difference.
    i used to store all my projects on an external drive and just load them in as i opened projects.
    i dont know if it was the cable transfer time,i dont know,
    what i do know is i have a much more responsive daw to my projects.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:27:02 (permalink)
    "robert_e_bones"
    It was my understanding that processing large/sustained data transfers was enhanced with this setting checked.

    How did you come to that conclusion?
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:28:00 (permalink)
    I may well be incorrect in my understanding on background services affecting data transfers.  This goes a LONG way back, as I have had that setting in place since about 1891 or so :)

    I have always just set it to balance for background services and never ever think about it again.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:32:45 (permalink)
    I thought that the change affected the time slicing algorithms and that in addition to helping background services like ASIO, this also helped data transfers by getting a longer slice.

    Is that not correct?

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:48:13 (permalink)
    "robert_e_bone"
    I thought that the change affected the time slicing algorithms and that in addition to helping background services like ASIO, this also helped data transfers by getting a longer slice.

    Sorry, but I'm not sure what you mean by "time slicing algorithms". Did you get a chance to look up "MMCSS"?

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 10:54:43 (permalink)
    Again this is blowing dust off my cranium - I thought the number of time sliices - the number of clock cycles - apportioned is made greater for background services - so that they get a bigger slice of the time 'pie', and that a by-product of this was some kind of improvement when doing sustained data transfers, such as the case when doing audio processing.

    Again - this is sharing the same memory cells as the disco years for me, so I don't know if any of the above is either correct or coherent.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 11:12:05 (permalink)
    Ok, I understand where you're coming from now. Here's more info on this subject..., from a very reliable source when dealing with Sonar. 

    "Noel Borthwick"
    I don't recommend this. Setting the sheduling to background for "better performance" with drivers is a myth. At best this is masking a real problem with the driver. All this does is change the quanta for the timeslice assigned by the windows scheduler. By making the time slice longer you are potentially setting up a scenario where the high priority audio threads in the host application might be denied frequent enough servicing by the scheduler! This might actually result in more dropouts or clicks.

    Reference: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1239881



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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 11:23:30 (permalink)
    Keni,
     
    I think the Macbook Pro has two graphics "cards" one an Intel HD the other an AMD/ATI something-or-other.  I also believe it has the capability to switch graphics card according to usage (although this can be turned off some place in the Mac OS settings, ((If I owned a Mac I could tell you where the setting was))).
    It's my theory that the delay may be due to this automatic graphic swithing that the Mac does, as there is obviously low graphic overhead when idle and high when running SONAR.  But I don't know why it wouldn't also happen  with other applications.  In any case, it's a simple user-configurable setting (to turn off automatic graphic switching) which would be quick for you to try (If you can find it).
     
     
     

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 11:33:47 (permalink)
    One of the computers I have has 2 disks, the 2nd a seagate. This computer is set to power-off the screen, disks, monitor, and hibernate. All but the hibernate are set to 15 minutes.

    I have noticed the 2nd disk seems to power-off sooner that the C: disk. And the computer is stalled for a moment, when attempting to use it after about 10 minutes.

    Some disks have the noise reduction set by default. Could be another bit to check.


    I am unfamilier with bootcamp. Does Windows run in a "window?"
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 11:36:34 (permalink)
    Boxed external disks have extra electronics that do the spin-down regardless of the windows power settings.
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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 11:36:51 (permalink)
    WOW - we can have the Mythbusters tackle this one!

    Thanks for digging that post up - and thanks for explaining,Noel.

    I never did fully understand making that change - for the reasons Noel states there - I just went along with it because everybody kept telling me it would protect me from vampires.

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 12:14:07 (permalink)
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    Could well be.

    I thought I remembered that even though I set the power options to High Performance that if you go into the advanced settings within that power plan that it STILL has it set to turn off the HARD DRIVE after some short number of minutes.

    THAT is why I suggest that you go look at that and make sure it is set to some crazy high number - I use 999.

    Everything you indicate above points to the hard drive going nighty-nite.

    Also, MULTIPLE places on web indicate it is better to have performance optimized for Background Services, so I do not at all understand why you seem to have deliberately not made THAT change - a bit baffling.  Your disk transfer process FASTER with that setting checked.

    Anyways, I URGE you to go check that SPECIFIC setting under advanced power settings for the hard drive sleep setting, and likewise urge you to optimize for background services.

    Bob Bone


    Good Morning Bob and Everyone else...

    Wow! What a surprise... We'll see if it helps this morning... I hadn't seen the advanced option beyond setting the two avaialable sleep times to Never.... Now that I did I see the drives were sleeping after 20 minutes which equates (roughly) with what I've been experiencing...

    As to Background Services? I see from other posts here that others remembered Noel's comments from long ago... Unless something has changed we were specifically advised/informed not to set it for Background services.... I've had great response with my past systems (within the pc's limitation) and this is the first time I've gad these issues... But as it's also my first Mac/Win7Pro system (personal) I'm learning some more... I'm surprised this hasn't turned up on any clients' systems?

    BTW... You might want to change your timeout setting for sleep from 999 to 0 as that sets it to Never!

    Much Thanks.... To You and All The Others... I'll post results in a bit...

    Keni




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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 12:22:16 (permalink)
    Yeah I learned that 0 meant never - just haven't gone back in to change it.  Thanks

    So, HOPEFULLY this will take care of your particular problems here, and life will return to its regular stress levels :)

    I look forward to hearing how it goes

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    Re:X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle 2012/10/15 13:16:57 (permalink)
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    Yeah I learned that 0 meant never - just haven't gone back in to change it.  Thanks

    So, HOPEFULLY this will take care of your particular problems here, and life will return to its regular stress levels :)

    I look forward to hearing how it goes

    Bob Bone


    Thanks Bob... and everyone else too!

    It just shows there's never an end to how Microsoft will attempt to fool us for some obscure reason. You'd think that setting them to never meant setting them to never, but then they hide another sleeper beyond it...

    I knew to disable the sleep settings, but thought saying Never meant Never! I forgot that it's like saying no to an insistent child! ;-)

    The system seems to be responding fine now... We'll see if I missed anything else. Some late morning errands in town and I hope to be back at work before noon!

    Thanks again to all for sticking with me and pushing me to learn beyond what I knew!

    Keni


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