djjhart@aol.com
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X1b/ Hotfix is better than 8.5.3 For Me! Im In my Happy Place Again.
Why is it X1 has 3 versions and a hot fix.. And I still have ****ty performance with My Fw 1884 and Asio driver, I was so hoping that Cakewalk would at least have the same performance as 8.5.3.. Via with my Asio Drivers with the tascam.. I am sorry to say I have 5 DAWS on this computer with zero problems with Asio Drivers and my tascam.accept for 1, and you guessed it ..its X1, X1 and X1a rendered my Asio Audio device useless, Although I was able to use it in X1 for a bit then it slowly died ..X1a Noway made it worse, I would just lose sound completely , Now x1b , Well lets first start by saying I did the update and went straight to a project , Configured my Asio driver.. With a Smile from ear to ear.. Only now to have a lag of some sort only when I press start the first few seconds it dosen't play back right away , I lose a few seconds when I hit play. I adjusted my latency no go.. so i continued to Explore X1b despite having this ASIO problem AGAIN, I am still Calm , I made a few edits and decided to save , WTF , " Failed can not save, Out of memory , X ed out, nothing dead in the water , End process nothing .. Had to Restart , Omg way to long on a start up of an existing sonar project , She got hung up with the WHITE SCREEN OF DEATH for about 20 seconds, After bitting my nail off it loaded up , but took alot longer than normal. I can say I only used it for about an hr or so and Beside the Asio issue , I didn't have a single crash, and after the restart I was able to save my project... So as it is I can not listen to the start of any song while using Asio drivers and X1.. I dont want to sound like a broken record, but Studio one, 8.5.3, reason, Fruity loops, and Live , all work with my tascam and the same driver same computer same set up. same plugins , same everything , I am a Sonar Freak , But Im freaking F out, That I have to buy a new audio device only for 1 DAW.. PLS , dont go there with what are your specs.. My computer is 100% perfect ,And its not my Mother Board,, The Only issue is SONAR X1 with my Tascam , I'm hoping there's some setting I'ved over looked in Sonar X1, Btw In 8.5.3 I can load the same song with no messed up starting of the song why it that? Can someone tell me.. And I have done a complete clean install of X1. Pls dont get me wrong I can use sonar X1 with WDM on another audio device, But I like to use My Tascam with Asio As I do with every other program.
post edited by djjhart@aol.com - 2011/04/06 13:59:52
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:18:21
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John,
I feel for ya. I don't know why Sonar is so finnicky compared to other DAWS, but this type of post appears often.
While it MAY be a driver issue, one does have to question why other hosts don't exhibit the same problem then.
I hope you get it worked out.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:22:53
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Im going Nucking Futz with this program...
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:24:35
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djjhart@aol.com
Im going Nucking Futz with this program...
LOL ... I'll be honest and say I'm not a big fan YET either. All the clicking around tabs to get to things is slowing me down - even with the use of keybindings. But at least I can work .... so I feel for ya.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:49:40
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:50:47
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pathos
Too bad it's EOL
Enlighten me please - what is EOL?
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 19:58:14
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I would think this is "End of Life" (EOL), which is referring to 8.5.3.
Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take!
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 20:01:56
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X1b is weird. I've been playing with for two days on another computer so I don't mess up my 8.5.3 DAW.
It works, nothing broke except it's weird to work with.
Try finding normalize - it's under process but not all the time. I know where it is but the program changes the menus by context. I understand that but it I click on the clip or track and want to normalize after recording it's not much fun to hunt around for a few minutes figuring out what context they thing is important.
However, I did get a demo song recorded until it blanked out the sound on one track. I copied it to another and the sound came back but the timing is wrong. Tomorrow's worry. At least it isn't crashing.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 20:02:34
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ba_midi
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Im going Nucking Futz with this program...
LOL ...
I'll be honest and say I'm not a big fan YET either. All the clicking around tabs to get to things is slowing me down - even with the use of keybindings.
But at least I can work .... so I feel for ya.
Oh I can work with X1 and I have been .. but I have to use my Stanton Scratch Amp in Wdm mode. I havn't tried my stanton with x1b yet just cause I was hoping i can use my tascam with Sonar, I can use sonar rignt now with my tascam accept for that messed up starting ,So I been messing around What I think is happing is when I hit play the song starts slow for 4 bars and then quickly catches up.. I was using my Fw just as a control surface and the Stanton as the audio card, with no audio problems, but it stinks because there's no monitor control and when Im working I leave my master at 0db all the time, and I would just lower the monitor controller on the tascam when it was working right to good listening level, Now I'm going deaf cause Im lazy to get up and lower the volume controls on the back of speaker. So yeahhh I would LOVE to get my tascam working again with sonar.. But its not looking good.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 20:17:20
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ba_midi
pathos
Too bad it's EOL
Enlighten me please - what is EOL?
End Of Life- no longer supported with updates hence X1.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 21:11:49
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I'm sorry to hear you're having this problem...
...and I must say I'm also surprised that 8.5.3 works yet X1 doesn't (with your interface).
They don't typically change driver support especially for older drivers already working... Why re-invent the wheel...
I know you have your machine tweaked already and working fine, but is there any chance there's some little checkbox somewhere in X1 that you haven't noticed? There must be one to try?
<darn>... I know it would drive me nuts too... (BTW, Dickie's Movie Was Fun!)
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 21:14:25
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Both the FW-1884 and SP8.5.3 are EOL - we're SOL :P
I have yet to try X1b yet though. Makes me not anxious to try.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/03/22 23:01:46
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pathos
ba_midi
pathos
Too bad it's EOL
Enlighten me please - what is EOL?
End Of Life- no longer supported with updates hence X1.
Oh that EOL lol. Yeah we knew that. But just because a product isn't being "developed" more, doesn't mean it won't work anymore ;)
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 12:08:14
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To All, The Tascam DOES work, check out my tutorial; Windows 7 Sonar X1b and the Tascam FW-1884 This is a Sonar issue, not an issue with our driver or the control plug. Since the search engine is so "splendid" on the forum I'm dropping the link on all Tascam FW-1884 threads. I hate to lose another user, I love my Tascam, just not Tascam if you know what I mean. Tom
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 12:26:19
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Tom
My FW-1082 is working great with X1 and worked great with Sonar 8.5 however, after I start up my Windows 7 PC I then have to restart it to ensure stability. Otherwise, the FW1082 and the Computer start to lose sync.
I don't have a problem doing this - I have an extremely clutter free computer so the whole process isn't a long one but it would be a whole lot easier if I didn't have to do it.
Any ideas?
Thanks from another happy Tascam/Sonar user.
Daryl
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 13:51:22
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Daryl,
One quick question, are you running the Win 7 firewire port in "Legacy" mode?
Also are you running ASIO or WDM drivers?
Is one driver "better" than the other?
Check my tutorial on how to set the firewire port up if you're not in "Legacy" mode.
One last thing, whatever firewire you are using (motherboard or PCI card) does it have the TI chipset? That's very important.
Beyond that I can't speak to the 1082 driver since I'm not using that.
You can PM me with any specific questions, issues.
Tom
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 13:58:15
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I am Thrilled with X1b and the Hotfix.. I see my main issue with groove clipping was fix.. And Now I can use my Tascam Fw .. I'm jumping for Joy.. even though I bought the octo capture , which I will probably return now.. and get a nice synth Instead..  ( Gaia) Gaia gaia.. I will change the thread topic..right now.. Thanks Tom..
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 14:14:09
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Tom Good find on the driver..Dj get to work !!
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 14:16:45
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That's awesome djj! You put your time in that's for sure. Way to go.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:32:49
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To All,
Credit on the "fix" goes to forum member Eric Eelsong, he is the one that dug and dug and got it working.
I took the "easy" road and rolled back to my original X1 install, its X1a that "breaks" things.
I am glad that DJJ is up and running, we can't afford to lose another Sonar or FW user.
One of the BIG reasons that Sonar rocks is the peer to peer support.
It seems that X1 is starting to work for everyone and Cake's new "QuickFix" should get everyone working.
Lets all make some noise (music) instead of noise (whining).
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:35:51
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Lets all make some noise (music) instead of noise (whining). AMEN>>TO That!!!! Thanks Eric..
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:43:14
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DeeringAmps
To All,
Credit on the "fix" goes to forum member Eric Eelsong, he is the one that dug and dug and got it working.
I took the "easy" road and rolled back to my original X1 install, its X1a that "breaks" things.
I am glad that DJJ is up and running, we can't afford to lose another Sonar or FW user.
One of the BIG reasons that Sonar rocks is the peer to peer support.
It seems that X1 is starting to work for everyone and Cake's new "QuickFix" should get everyone working.
Lets all make some noise (music) instead of noise (whining).
+1 - wise words
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:46:49
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This is great DJJ! Nice to hear you are finally up and running.
Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take!
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:47:14
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djjhart@aol.com
I am Thrilled with X1b and the Hotfix.. I see my main issue with groove clipping was fix.. And Now I can use my Tascam Fw .. I'm jumping for Joy.. even though I bought the octo capture , which I will probably return now.. and get a nice synth Instead.. ( Gaia) Gaia gaia.. I will change the thread topic..right now.. Thanks Tom..
right on man..i was bumbing out for you.its like torture watching some guys in here trouble shooting their problems..i feel for them.you deserve this man..congrats..good luck man.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:55:43
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chuckebaby
djjhart@aol.com
I am Thrilled with X1b and the Hotfix.. I see my main issue with groove clipping was fix.. And Now I can use my Tascam Fw .. I'm jumping for Joy.. even though I bought the octo capture , which I will probably return now.. and get a nice synth Instead.. ( Gaia) Gaia gaia.. I will change the thread topic..right now.. Thanks Tom..
right on man..i was bumbing out for you.its like torture watching some guys in here trouble shooting their problems..i feel for them.you deserve this man..congrats..good luck man.
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Thanks Codamedia
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 15:56:56
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All We need now is Billy Back !!!
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/06 16:15:54
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All We need now is Billy Back !!!
+1
Don't fix it in the mix ... Fix it in the take!
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/07 06:36:55
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Doesn't work for me, out of pocket, out of options, nothing from support, paid for Sonar 8.5 which is just a patch. Now need Sonar 8 after the trial version worked perfectly on my PC. Sonar X1 is the only software that doesn't work with my hardware. All other software does.
Trying to get a physical version of Sonar 8 in order to upgrade to Sonar 8.5, user of Sonar 3, 5, 6 then took up free upgrade to Sonar X1.
Tried to install Sonar 8.5 only to find out it is only a patch. So I've paid for a patch?? Huh????? So I didn't get Sonar X1 for free at all. I got a patch and now I need a physical version of Sonar 8 - or I'm done for
Nothing from support after years of sorting out stuff for myself, never bothered them, so I thought maybe just this once? 1 week - nothing solved.
My bread and butter. Really frustrating.
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/07 07:30:27
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Winyard,
8.5 is not a "patch". It is the Version of Sonar between 8 and X1. Many of the most experienced Sonar users say it is the best version. There are patches you can put on to 8.5 to get it to it's final state- 8.5.3
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Re:8.5.3 is still better than X1b for me..
2011/04/07 07:46:47
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So this email reply from support is wrong?
MY EMAIL SAID: Sonar 8.5 won't install, keeps calling it a patch?
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Cakewalk support answer:
Yes- 8.5 would only have been successfully installed if there was a version 8 on that system.
The 8.5 download did not have its own installers and it relied on version 8 in order to install itself. So on a system without SONAR 8, then 8.5 would look like a patch. However, that is not the case with X1. It has its own installers and does not rely on any other version to install. It does however need to be downloaded FIRST, and completely to one location. Once both pieces of the file are completely downloaded- then the installation can begin. Also, one only needs to double click on part one to start the process. No Winzip (or anything like that) is necessary. The part one file does all the work and it grabs part two when it’s ready for it.
I was going to put new links here for X1 for you- but in looking in your account, it looks like you already have the physical media. Which is a good thing- because you have the ability to reinstall more easily with those.
However, I’m not completely sure what you are asking because of our email server failure eating the text in your initial email. I think that you were asking to have it so you could download 8.5 from your online account. Which you can- but without 8, that doesn’t do much good. All the previous versions of SONAR were never available in download format. That is a fairly new thing that actually started with 8.5. But if you need to start from scratch- you’re going to have to go the route with the physical media because of the aforementioned reason of the 8.5 download not having its own installers.
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So, all I want to know is if I can get a physical version of Sonar 8....
That's all!
LOL! Is this too hard?
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