X1d referencing MIDI samples no longer in a project

A friend at the Garritan Forums is having what I think is an odd issue.  He's using ARIA and Garritan instruments in X1d projects.

He's in the habit of first putting together a MIDI project, then bouncing all tracks to audio, and after archiving a copy of the original project, he deletes MIDI tracks and soft synths in the audio copy of his project.

But when he opens up that audio-only project, he says that X1d is still first whizzing through all the samples he used, indicating there are still references to those instruments in the project file.

Here's part of his post:

"...Having setup my score in Sonar using MIDI tracks I then bounced these to audio tracks and deleted all my MIDI tracks and the Aria Player.

Although my Sonar score is now fully Audio tracks, when I open my file Sonar still whizzes through the MIDI sample names before loading the audio tracks. I should add that the MIDI samples are not actually loaded, they are just 'referenced' by Sonar first before opening my audio tracks.

Is there a way I can stop this happening, a way to flush out all these now unwanted MIDI samples references?..."

I've replied that this seems impossible to me - that there has to be a hidden instance of ARIA still in his project file - But maybe there's some other factor I'm not aware of which is causing the problem.

He's been frustrated with the text formatting issues here at the Cakewalk Forum, so I'm using Chrome to post the question for him.

Any info on what's going on in his situation?

Randy

Excellent, Bristol - I'll pass that on- Thanks. RB

Just thinking out loud here Randy - try going into the event list for ALL tracks and see if there's anything untoward. That's just a shot in the dark really.

Hey Randy,
You don't think he's talking about the vst scan (that happens on start up unless you disable it) do you?

Thanks, I didn't think of that.


Yeah well I still think like a newb...let us know if that was it.

e.Blue


For the record, there is no such thing as a MIDI 'sample'; so it definitely sounds like your friend may be a bit confused about what is actually happening. Does the file actually play as he expects it to after it loads?


-e.B

Hi, e.B - That's right about "MIDI samples" - it was my short phrase way of referring to samples in a Library which are triggered by MIDI.  The phrase was mine, not the guy at Garritan having the problem.

He hasn't responded yet, but I posted the suggestion that he may actually be seeing the VST scan, and not samples being loaded as he reported.

His projects are playing fine apparently.  It's just annoying to him that he's seeing this "whizzing" and loading of Something or other every time he opens Sonar.  He's said he sees Sonar going through the list of samples he used in the project, but that no actual samples end up being loaded - since he doesn't even have a synth in that version of the project anymore.

Anticipating something else that someone might bring up on this thread - I've thoroughly explained to him that there's no need to create 2 versions of his projects.  He's first working strictly in MIDI, then bounces the tracks.  Then he deletes the MIDI tracks and synths used - so he ends up with two different project files, one with just MIDI, and one with just audio.  I've told him about muting and archiving tracks, hiding them with Track Manager, and disengaging synths instead of deleting them.  He'd never tried that before.  

I mention that in case someone here gets curious why he's doing the extra work and having the extra hassle of having 2 project files - It's just some odd habit he's developed, apparently not even knowing about archiving and hiding tracks.

Back to his issue - He's saying that it happens with all of his audio-only projects.  But it didn't happen in Sonar 8.5.  He recently moved to X1. -- 

 Which brings me back to Randybrown's suggestion that the user is actually talking about the VST scan.  I'm sure that's it.
We'll find out.  Randy B.

Hi Randy, (rbowser)

So you're saying that the gentleman that was having all the problems finally looked at his manual and figured out what was wrong. That's interesting...

Welcome back.

Kind regards,
Rick 

Honestly, I have not tried to turn synths off in X1. I usually just freeze them if I need to.

Fortunately, my system will allow me to have a Lot of stuff loaded and not have to freeze anything which is good because just about every time I have had to freeze something I later hear something that does not sound quite right and I then have to un-freeze...  It's a never ending story with me, never satisfied. I could never make a living doing this... :)

I do remember that X1 expanded was suppose to let you re-route a synth in the rack but I've never tried that either.

Wish I could be of more help.

Kind regards,
Rick

Yes of course you can switch them off from the rack Randy - all you have to do is to undock the browser

you also get access to the other "hidden"controls for your assigned controls

Y

I'm different again - I like to mix as I go, even from when it's still all Midi - so bouncing tracks down is not an option unless I want to re-create all my routing, sends, Fx, Automation.

So I simply freeze my synths. This takes them out of the picture totally and if I want to tweak something in the Midi world - unfreeze, tweak & freeze again. This literally takes seconds to do.

Yes, that is a bit of a pain. It should adopt exactly the same behaviour as the Inspector - if you undock the Inspector, you can toggle it completely on/off with 'i'

The best you can do with the Browser is shrink it up whilst still docked. You have to manually undock it to get to the power & other buttons

I can reduce that to 2 + a drag, assuming the Browser's already visible.

1 click to undock it, 2 to switch synth off, then just drag it back to wherever you want it docked