X2 and Kirnu Cream - anyone?

Hmmm, I did get it to work.  But it seems inconsistent.  Sometimes I get no sound at all for no conceivable reason.
 
Then adding a second instance of Cream causes Sonar to crash (tested 3 times).  
 
Frustrating - anyone with any similar experience?

scook

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Then adding a second instance of Cream causes Sonar to crash (tested 3 times).  

I believe that is to be expected, at this time SONAR can only handle one plug-in instance producing MIDI output.

this is why i haven't upgraded since x1

it's the most sophisticated arp out there :) there's a bit of a learning curve but it's super flexible, responsive developer, cheap as chips, and so on :) try the demo of course ;)

scook

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Then adding a second instance of Cream causes Sonar to crash (tested 3 times).  

I believe that is to be expected, at this time SONAR can only handle one plug-in instance producing MIDI output.

Fixed in X3b - although I haven't actually tested that out yet.
 
Cheers - Cliff

it's been "addressed" in x3b, i'd love to hear if it's actually fixed :)

I can load multiple instances of the Cream plugin (demo version) into audio tracks' FX bins and route their outputs to the inputs of MIDI tracks.  I've not got it 'up and running' yet 'cos I'm still learning how to drive the plugin.

I've just tried it again with a new project and this time it's running and seems stable with 2x instances of Cream.
 
Apologies; I'd forgotten that in the previous test, there was a track from the project I used as a starting point which has some EQ plugins which occasionally do crash Sonar, so it might have been them that was causing the problem.
 
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OK, this project just crashed as well when using > 1 instance of Cream in Sonar X3b.  This time, definitely no other plugins other than a couple of true piano instances used for the output.

Thanks guys for checking this out.    Seems the results are inconsistant.  Glad to know that it wasn't just me ...
 
@ston : did you get those issue with inpout echo that got -- ie, when running the track with a Cream arp, and then adding another track (withoutarp) on top (eg, a chord) - playing that new track also affects the original Cream track (because its input echo was on)?  I tried your suggestions re the MIDI channels but never got it to work - maybe I didn't do it right ...

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@soundraider --- so 1 instance of Cream can run several different soft synths on different tracks, when the Midi routing is correct?   If that is so, then I think my issue of Sonar crashing with 2 instances of Cream could be solved?

Yes - we have 4 Cream-Tracks.
 
To get the tracks to different midi channels you can set the midi-out of each track separately in the top header area. We have also the option to set different midi-input channels per track, but I never checked this out.
Make sure, that the receiving instrument is listening to the correct Cream-output channel. It might be necessary to set not only the Sonar Track to this channel but the instrument also. I had an issue with Kontakt until each Kontakt-Instrument was set listening to the corresponding Cream-output channel.
 
Have Fun ;)

SoundRaider

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@soundraider --- so 1 instance of Cream can run several different soft synths on different tracks, when the Midi routing is correct?   If that is so, then I think my issue of Sonar crashing with 2 instances of Cream could be solved?

Yes - we have 4 Cream-Tracks.
 
To get the tracks to different midi channels you can set the midi-out of each track separately in the top header area. We have also the option to set different midi-input channels per track, but I never checked this out.
Make sure, that the receiving instrument is listening to the correct Cream-output channel. It might be necessary to set not only the Sonar Track to this channel but the instrument also. I had an issue with Kontakt until each Kontakt-Instrument was set listening to the corresponding Cream-output channel.
 
Have Fun ;)

but when you record on multiple midi tracks, all the cream outputs overlap.  
simple test:
insert cream instance one, with an arp pattern and notes to drive it
insert cream instance two, with a different arp pattern and notes to drive it
insert dimension pro and set its midi track to receive from cream instance 1 on channel 1
insert rapture and set its midi track to receive from cream instance 2 on channel 1
arm both the dp and rapture midi tracks to record and start recording
 
both recorded midi tracks are the same, as all the notes overlap from both instances of cream
 
now, set dp to record on cream instance 1 channel 12
set rapture to record on cream instance 2 channel 10
hit record
you should get nothing, but again midi data is recorded on both channels. 
 

@ swamptooth
 
I had this issue also - for a time - all the instruments playing some mix of all Cream-outputs.
 
Only to recap ... software here is Sonar X3b and Cream 1.0.8.
 
First time I tested Cream with multi-tracks, I was assuming that setting the Sonar-Track correctly is all what is required, but this was not true. Each instrument needs to listen to it's dedicated midi-channel too. I tested this with some Kontakt instances. Each instrument in Kontakt had to listen to the correct midi-channel too, otherwise I had a dead line or a kind of mix. This might indeed point to a Sonar issue.
 
But may be, it's also how Cream is used, what makes a difference. I had noted some chords in the midi-track of the Cream instance to use them as the baseline for the Cream-arpreggions. Cream generated three different arpreggios from this baseline chords on three Cream-Tracks and those were sent to three Kontakt instances. There was no overlapping or mixing.
 
If it's an Sonar X2 issue, have you checked out the workaround to record Cream-track/Sonar-track wise and mute all the others?

swamptooth
Sure have... and I'll post a video of it not working if you post a video of it working.

I will try ... never done this before ... can you tell me how to produce a video from screen and post it here? If it is possible, I could upload my project file. It's a boring demo - nothing polished - only to check Cream out for myself.

not a cream bug no, a multiple instances of any midi-out vsts, long standing sonar bug,try searching the forum

@soundraider - you can use several different screencast utilities. I use microsoft expression personally.