X2 and Windows 8 in the same year?

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2012/06/07 13:14:51 (permalink)

X2 and Windows 8 in the same year?

X1 was a major reworking of Sonar.  From what I have read online Windows 8 is an even more radical reworking of the Windows operating system that Sonar depends on.  Some tech writers that have had access to early releases of Windows 8 have expressed the concern that it seems to be a response to Ipads and Android based touch screen devices rather than an upgrade and improvement to the Windows 7 system.  "Not very mouse friendly.  It seems like everything in here wants you to swipe or pinch your fingers rather than point and click" said one wag.  Should I seriously consider moving to a DAW that will run on my smartphone so that I can get ready for the X2/W8 era? 

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    Skyline_UK
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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/07 13:28:39 (permalink)
    I can't see much uptake for W8 in the audio recording community.  Twelve year olds probably want PCs to behave like their phones, I don't. 

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/07 14:02:35 (permalink)
    From what has been said so far. The "ipaddy" features will be able to toggle 'off', W8 will then be on a computer desktop or laptop very similar to W7 and back to Vista, XP etc.
    The next question. Will it make audio engine function better?
    What has been said so far; DAWS are sounding better.
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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/07 21:49:24 (permalink)
    Fine, so DAW's will sound better ........

    But will we have install W8 specific drivers ??? THAT is the question to whichi've not seen any answers.

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/07 22:26:47 (permalink)
    But will we have install W8 specific drivers ??? THAT is the question to whichi've not seen any answers.



    Probably and if Windows7 was any indicator, not all companies will have new drivers ready to go on Day 1 of Windows 8's release so I highly recommend you take a wait and see attitude unless you want to be out of the water or have to buy new equipment. 

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/07 23:10:22 (permalink)
    I remember when the first iPhone came out. I knew a lot of people who ran out to jump on the bandwagon. It was a good concept but far from perfected.  That was in June of 2007. It wasn't until Samsung Galaxy S phone and shortly after the iPhone 4 in 2011 that the world had finally moved to the "touch screen" almost exclusively. I know four years doesn't seem long, but when talking about technology nowadays - that's forever. It's just been in the last year also that I have noticed almost everyone carrying around a tablet, but then again the first iPad was released in 2010 so my math tells me 2 years for it to really catch on and become readily available to the common public. 
    When talking about technology that's damn near 20 tech years for something to really catch momentum. 
    Windows 7 was available to the public in June of 2009, and I still see almost half and half of studios (those that don't run on Mac)  and home recording studios still on XP three years later. 
    Again, Cakewalk didn't release Windows 7 ready interfaces until 2010 when at the same time the drivers became available. 
    I believe that the company's we dump our money into will be late to adopt any new form of OS or Technology, just because they know it takes a while for the momentum to catch and for people to make the switch. Such as SONAR 8.5 users who have just recently switched to X1 like myself - waiting for all the kinks to be worked out. Or it could have been me fighting against change. 

    Needless to say - It'll probably be 2014 before DAW's start to switch to Windows 8. 

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 00:01:07 (permalink)
    Windows 7 drivers seem to work fine on Windows 8 as does Sonar X1 and all the other programs I use as of the Consumer Preview & Release Preview/Candidate. The only real problem with Win8 is that when you boot you have to start with the Metro Start Screen & then launch the Desktop it cannot be bypassed and a few things will have you bouncing back & forth between desktop/metro. The other negative is no more Start Menu. There are a few nice additions to Win8 but nothing that will have me switching to Win8 until/if MS allows disabling Metro. Performance is on par with, maybe slightly better than Win7 but to me nothing that makes you go wow that's better. :) Dan

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 06:22:28 (permalink)
     Windows 8 + X2 in the same year = recipe for disaster.

    I won't be in a hurry to upgrade to windows 8


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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 07:30:17 (permalink)
    we don't even know that there'll be an X2 let alone when it will be. Will it be this year or next will be X2 or X?

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 07:31:17 (permalink)
    I have heard a prominent DAW builder say that the basic building blocks of WIN 8 will prove to be better for audio than WIN 7.
    That sounds promising

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 09:34:38 (permalink)
    dke


    Windows 7 drivers seem to work fine on Windows 8 as does Sonar X1 and all the other programs I use as of the Consumer Preview & Release Preview/Candidate. The only real problem with Win8 is that when you boot you have to start with the Metro Start Screen & then launch the Desktop it cannot be bypassed and a few things will have you bouncing back & forth between desktop/metro. The other negative is no more Start Menu. There are a few nice additions to Win8 but nothing that will have me switching to Win8 until/if MS allows disabling Metro. Performance is on par with, maybe slightly better than Win7 but to me nothing that makes you go wow that's better. :) Dan

    That's pretty much been my experience with Windows 8 so far.  I think the metro interface will be fine on tablets (just as it is on the windows phone) but on my large screen it's a bit, well, large and overwhelming.  I keep wanting to resize the window, which of course you can't do with the metro screens (afaik).


    It's nice to have the ability to jump back to the familiarity of the old desktop, but I have to say I miss the location of the start button and I dislike that when I use its replacement that it jumps me back into the metro screens to find a program.  I find that back and forth very jarring.


    Performance wise I think windows 8 runs very well, better than 7, and Sonar X1 seems to run better too.  Some OS features are superior, such as copying files, etc., and boot times are much faster too.


    And yet, for now, I find myself booting up in Windows 7 most of the time.  I think it's going to be an extremely controversial release for regular desktop users, but for tablet-users most likely a success.
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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 09:47:07 (permalink)
    I can't see much uptake for W8 in the audio recording community. 



    I'm not so sure about that. I can definitely see a need for the touch interface. Would be nice to just put your finger on the faders to move them. I hate using a mouse. 

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 19:41:40 (permalink)
    I think we'll know between Oct. - Dec. If X2 will rely on W8 features then it would make sense to release it the same quarter.
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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 19:52:24 (permalink)
    Best I know, it's still NT inside, version 8.0.  And that's compatible with the older non-NT versions of windows to the point that you can still navigate around the screen and get things done without even having a mouse most of the time. 

    Support for touch-screen is inevitable. I would love to have a console view that I could drive with my fingers.  But I cannot conceive of any technical reason that 8 would handle the mouse any differently than its 7 predecessors. 

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 20:54:22 (permalink)
    this is all here-say,

    they could skip right over that metro thing and go for windows 9

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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/08 21:06:48 (permalink)
    Best thing so far about Win 8 is Core handling...

    Even Cake did a Video of X1 on Win 8 and showed a much more balanced use of multi-core CPU's...

    That will translate to more stable audio handling, as you won't have to worry as much about overloading the
    main CPU.





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    Re:X2 and Windows 8 in the same year? 2012/06/09 18:17:40 (permalink)
    I copied this from the Presonus forum:

    Where Windows 8 is concerned, they are changing some low level API's where audio is concerned.

    It's supposedly going back to the XP style of how audio is handled.

    White paper here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/br259116

    Since this is driver level, not app level, all eyes will be on the device makers for new drivers. Fun!


    I am not sure of the implications, will W8 support ASIO?

    I also read a post by one of the audio developers (James Daily) for W8 who said this here:

    http://social.msdn.micros...31c89765?prof=required

    I am the Escalation Engineer for the Windows Audio team :) I would love to have MIDI available for Windows 8 Metro style apps since I am an electronic musician as well as an engineer (http://www.jamesdailey.com/Music.aspx). I just want to be completely honest and say that MIDI really isn't on the radar at this time. The reality is that we are focusing on high quality low latency audio in Windows 8 to support the trend toward VOIP. 
    The recording industry is quickly moving away from HW synths to SW based synthesis. Personally I have all of my MIDI gear plugged in and ready to go but I don't know that I've turned it on for over a year. My go to keyboard, an Axiom 49, plugs in via USB. I have a handful of "legacy" MIDI HW synths but hundreds of soft synths (its an addiction). My guitar amp is even gathering dust thanks to NI plug-ins.
    So at this time we really don't see a super compelling need to support legacy MIDI devices in Metro style apps. My guess is that MIDI will stay on the desktop until its completely eclipsed by soft synths and USB based devices. What I really want to see is a MFT wrapper around the VSTi SDK so I can load my soft synths in Metro. Unfortunately this isn't likely to happen either due to our new Metro style app distribution model. VSTi ISVs would likely need to provide "WinRT friendly" versions of the instruments to be packaged with your application. Unfortunately I just don't see this as a reasonable model.
    I really wish we had a better story for professional musicians wanting to write or use Metro style apps. I am currently pursuing the shared VSTi scenario with our PMs but in reality we aren't going to see anything like this for RTM. If anything changes I will certainly let you know.
    I hope this helps,
    James


    Frankly, I am not sure what it all means or if I will notice any change but I am feeling a bit shy about it all.

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