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X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
So I'll need to upgrade my OS (or computer) at some point soon (still on XP), and since Sonar is the main reason for the change and perhaps the most important thing I'll be doing on the computer, I have to consider compatibility.
In short, is Sonar X2 (and the X2a update) stable enough on Windows 8, or should I try to get Windows 7 to maximize compatibility and minimize bugs?
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 06:29:11
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☄ Helpfulby ZeroContrast 2013/07/02 06:46:51
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 07:05:50
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 08:22:16
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☄ Helpfulby ZeroContrast 2013/07/02 20:17:11
I find my MOTU PCIx424 setup works at a lower latency on windows 8. However, the current drivers gives me issues on a cold boot (the 424 fails to initialize properly). A reboot after a cold boot gets the 424 to initialize, after which I have no problems. As always, check to make sure that your current drivers work under Win 8, or that Windows 8 drivers are available, on your hardware manufacturer's website.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 10:57:33
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☄ Helpfulby hockeyjx 2013/07/02 13:40:03
Lots of people here have outlined in various threads they're working on Win 8 without major issues - so purely from a Sonar perspective, you're probably fine, however the larger issue is to ensure all other aspects of your configuration have good Win 8 drivers (e.g. your audio interface, any other external software, any separate effects cards (like a UAD), video card drivers, etc.) I'd go through all components and ensure they're all Win 8 compatible before moving ahead.
Hope that helps.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 11:05:15
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I am using Win 8 with X2 and A Roland Quad Capture. I have only had one crash, and I am pretty sure it was a plug in causing it. So my Win 8 system can be considered pretty stable.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 11:36:49
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More stable here on 8 than I was on 7. However, if you are going to upgrade to 8, I'd encourage you to install your OS and VSTs on a solid state drive. It'll make load-up time darn-near instantaneous. The jury is still out on whether or not audio and sample files are efficient on SSD, however.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 11:56:05
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Isn't Win 8 basically an "updated" version of Win 7 and "generally" speaking, won't most of Win 7 drivers work well within Win 8? I found this on Microsofts site regarding compatibility: Run programs made for previous versions of WindowsIf you're having trouble running an app that worked in a previous version of Windows, you might be able to run it in a compatibility mode, such as Windows Vista or Windows 7 compatibility modes. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/get-apps-devices-working
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 12:34:42
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That is true. However, Windows 8 loads up very quickly from a cold start, compared to Windows 7. It also natively "understands" how to best use Solid State Drives (SSD3), making program load-up times extremely fast when they are used, while also addressing earlier concerns about performance degradation over time. That is the greatest advantage I see for Windows 8 over 7.
If you're going to upgrade, include an SSD upgrade as part of your plan. The difference with be astounding. I just did the same on my Video Editing station as well, and can load Adobe Master Suite components literally in microseconds (Photoshop 64 and After-Effects used to take a minute or two to load in Win7 + spindle drive). Imagine what that could do for your VST load times.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 13:33:06
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baudze
That is true. However, Windows 8 loads up very quickly from a cold start, compared to Windows 7. It also natively "understands" how to best use Solid State Drives (SSD3), making program load-up times extremely fast when they are used, while also addressing earlier concerns about performance degradation over time. That is the greatest advantage I see for Windows 8 over 7.
If you're going to upgrade, include an SSD upgrade as part of your plan. The difference with be astounding. I just did the same on my Video Editing station as well, and can load Adobe Master Suite components literally in microseconds (Photoshop 64 and After-Effects used to take a minute or two to load in Win7 + spindle drive). Imagine what that could do for your VST load times.
I noticed in your sig that you also have a UAD1e....do you have any issues with the 64bit drivers or plugins? I'm also building a new Win 8 x64 machine and will migrate from the Vista x32.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 13:47:46
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☄ Helpfulby ZeroContrast 2013/07/02 20:16:57
You WILL find life easier with whichever way you go, IF you make sure your connected devices have drivers for whatever OS you seek to use.
Just a suggestion,
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 15:14:26
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I noticed in your sig that you also have a UAD1e....do you have any issues with the 64bit drivers or plugins?
I'm also building a new Win 8 x64 machine and will migrate from the Vista x32.
Nope - I haven't had any challenges at all. I do plan on eventually upgrading to the current UAD 64-bit offerings, and hopefully that goes smoothly. But no, I've had no issues whatsoever running the 32-bit UAD efx with X2a. In fact, these are the only exclusively 32-bit efx I've installed on my machine.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 15:46:01
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Runs better on Windows 8.
The only problem I found is if you have any firewire devices. Won't work - no legacy drivers. I have Liquid Mix16 sitting doing nothing now. Looks nice!
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 15:49:36
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My take is that, while SONAR X2a runs great on Win7, it arguably runs even better on Win8 and I prefer Win8 in general (startup time, copy process, apps when needed, etc).
As others have said though it goes beyond SONAR. You'll need to make sure your other devices are happy with Win8 also, which is likely, but good to double-check.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/02 20:22:54
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Hey everyone, thanks for all the responses, definitely sounds like Windows 8 would be the way to go. The only hardware I have at the moment is my interface (Alesis IO2 express, which just uses ASIO drivers) and my Akai mini keyboard, which for basic use is plug-in play (I don't even use the software it has with it).
As far as SSD's go, fast load time sounds nice, but might not be enough to spend the extra cash. Are there general performance benefits since everything is retrieved so much faster, or is it pretty similar when you're actually working?
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 03:05:37
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☄ Helpfulby ZeroContrast 2013/07/03 03:48:06
Please note that since you posted your audio interface's name, I looked it up to see about drivers for it for Windows 8. Your audio interface provides a bit of code called ASIO4ALL - which is freeware that provides SOFTWARE ASIO driver processing. Here is the Alesis link for your audio interface: http://www.alesis.com/io2express, and if you look at the downloads tab on that page, you will see the optional ASIO4ALL drivers listed there. Whether on Windows 7, or Windows 8, you may find issues with your system handling the audio processing requirements of Sonar. PLEASE NOTE that I am NOT telling you that you will have issues - just keep in the back of your mind that you MAY experience audio dropout issues using ASIO4ALL. On the other hand, ASIO4ALL has worked for others in the past too, you can certainly start with it and see what happens. I just wanted to make sure you understand that there is a potential for issues when streaming audio through ASIO4ALL. IF you DO have issues with it, you can try using WDM, which is the native Windows audio driver, and if THAT does not meet your needs, you may have to look at replacing your audio interface with a more robust one. If that DOES end up to be the case, then you WILL want to pick one that indeed does have ASIO drivers for Windows 8, and some of the older, less expensive audio interfaces do NOT have Windows 8 ASIO drivers. I am not trying to scare you - just alerting you to a potential for issues, and what you may end up having to do to resolve them, should they become realized. Bob Bone
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 03:41:28
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☄ Helpfulby ZeroContrast 2013/07/03 03:48:13
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my Akai mini keyboard, which for basic use is plug-in play (I don't even use the software it has with it).
If it's a LPK 25 it should be fine. I have one as an extra keyboard mainly for triggering keyswitches. I just connected it and it works. I have not had any issues with the programming software that came with it either.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 03:51:47
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@Robert, thanks for the heads up, yeah the ASIO4ALL driver is the one I use currently, I have found that it's not always the greatest, I used to have an Alesis Multimix (well still do but it's back in the US) that had it's own drivers, much better.
@Glyn, thanks for the info, that's good news. Mine's the MPK mini, which you probably know is the same thing just with the pads and triggers up top. So I should be good
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 07:30:11
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Foundation In the above wiki, you can see that the version of Windows Driver Foundation 1.11 has been available since Vista. For more than 7 years, it has been possible to develop drivers that will work on Windows 8, but it does not mean that all drivers that work on Vista or Windows 7 will work on Windows 8. For example, Vista supported versions 1.5-1.9 which are not supported on Windows 8. Windows 7 supported version 1.9 which is not available on Windows 8. This means that it would be possible to have a driver that worked on Windows 7 that DOES NOT WORK on Windows 8. I would expect most driver manufacturers to have been aiming their development for the most long lasting version of WDF, and consequently could have begun development on drivers that will work on Windows 8 since before Nov 8, 2006 when Vista was released. For this reason, it is likely that your drivers for Windows 7 or even Vista WILL WORK on Windows 8.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 07:45:53
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There always going to keep us upgrading....I am running it on XP with no problems, once I got everything tuned in just right. X2 is stable, it is in my opinion, one thing leads to another that causes problems, this isn't written for that etc....I can not compare win 7 to 8? But I am sure 9 isn't far from being released either. I believe the graphics card, and multiple sound cards, as time goes on, starts causing most of the problems, then you go an update a drive thatdoesn't relate to this or that. It is all designed, so that we constantly have to spend money. And guess what? The general public is their salesman, go figure, right?
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 11:48:59
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I'm sure I'll be great on Windows 8, but I'm holding out for 8.1. I'm ok with Windows 7, and although I personally saw a performance decrease from X2 to X2a, it wasn't enough to hunt for improvements. 8.1 is going to be full of refinements based on user feedback from Windows8, such as bringing back the Start button.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 12:03:35
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awesomely fast/robust on Win8 x64 with RME here.
that said, still have daily crashes with Maschine, but...
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 12:30:11
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Did anybody do an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to 8? Is this crazy to even consider?
A clean install would be quite a chore: full day or more to get EVERYTHING re-installed and re-configured after Windows.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 12:36:42
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Good question. That's my biggest reservation. Now that my SOnar is running without crashes, I'm a bit scared to simply throw something like this at it.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 12:39:20
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I have read about prior upgrades in place from Windows 7 to Windows 8.
I chose to deliberately do a brand new clean install, considering it well worth the investment of time needed to get things installed all over again, rather than opting for the update in place approach.
I have no knowledge of issues with doing an update in place - having a background in technical support, I just normally opt for the safest and surest way of doing things, whenever possible.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 18:58:25
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ZeroContrast
So I'll need to upgrade my OS (or computer) at some point soon (still on XP), and since Sonar is the main reason for the change and perhaps the most important thing I'll be doing on the computer, I have to consider compatibility.
In short, is Sonar X2 (and the X2a update) stable enough on Windows 8, or should I try to get Windows 7 to maximize compatibility and minimize bugs?
Windows 7. 8 would be nice if you are using a touchscreen. If you have any hardware that may not work in Windows 7, Vista drivers will work.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/03 19:13:04
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Studious
Did anybody do an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to 8? Is this crazy to even consider?
A clean install would be quite a chore: full day or more to get EVERYTHING re-installed and re-configured after Windows.
I did. However before doing the update I was careful to run the Microsoft upgrade advisor and resolved all reported compatiblity issues prior to that. I also cleaned up the system, removing apps I don't use and all browser cache's temp files and did a registry cleanup as well before running the upgrade. It went very smoothly and all my audio and MIDI drivers survived the upgrade. X2 worked fine as well post upgrade. If you are using copy protected plugins like PACE'd products you may want to check with the manufacturer if they will still be authorized..
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/04 01:36:16
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Studious
Did anybody do an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 to 8? Is this crazy to even consider?
A clean install would be quite a chore: full day or more to get EVERYTHING re-installed and re-configured after Windows.
I did. However before doing the update I was careful to run the Microsoft upgrade advisor and resolved all reported compatiblity issues prior to that. I also cleaned up the system, removing apps I don't use and all browser cache's temp files and did a registry cleanup as well before running the upgrade.
It went very smoothly and all my audio and MIDI drivers survived the upgrade. X2 worked fine as well post upgrade. If you are using copy protected plugins like PACE'd products you may want to check with the manufacturer if they will still be authorized..
That is very encouraging. Thanks Noel! Interested in the "registry cleanup" you mentioned. Was this a manual process? Did you touch any Cakewalk registry entries?
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/04 14:20:52
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I used CCleaner for the cleanup to remove all the dead stuff from old programs etc. Nothing manual.
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Re: X2 better on Windows 8 or 7?
2013/07/04 19:02:49
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So Noel, again no issues with the upgrade at all in comparison to a clean install?
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