hgj1357
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X2 with multiple monitors
What are your experiences? I'm thinking of going to X2 (from 8.0!!) and will need a new computer. What's the skylight interface like with multiple monitors?
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 15:24:03
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X1/X2 are great on dual monitors. You have a lot of flexibility with dual monitors. X1/X2 can be used well on a single monitor better than previous versions. But its also better for two monitors.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 15:33:31
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Can you put the channel strips on one monitor and the tracks on the other? Are you using nVidia, firepro or what? I have had mixed results with different video cards. Have to say the performance may not have been stellar but the stability and 'non-glitchyness' of Oxygen and Matrox cards is something I miss.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 15:38:35
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Also, off topic, but, is the ProChannel stuff worth the extra cost to go to Producer? Kinda looks like it is to me, if the SoundonSound reviews are to be believed.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 15:49:25
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...and another thing! I'm looking at getting a high end 2D video card (or two) rather than a low or mid-level 3D card. I am making an assumption here that there is no benefit to 3D capability for Sonar. Is that a reasonable assumption?
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 15:52:06
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hgj1357 Can you put the channel strips on one monitor and the tracks on the other? Are you using nVidia, firepro or what? I have had mixed results with different video cards. Have to say the performance may not have been stellar but the stability and 'non-glitchyness' of Oxygen and Matrox cards is something I miss. When you say "channel strips" do you mean the Console View? If so yes. You can do it in multiple ways. All views are floatable and can be placed on a different monitor. Or you can use the multidock to handle this on the other monitor. Or you can leave the multidock on the first screen and float a view to the other. I have placed the track inspector on the other monitor too. Really you have all sorts of options here plus screensets work with dual monitors. I have two wide screen 22 inch monitors that work fine with X1/X2. I use a Nvida Geforce GTX 550 TI and it works great. I have always used Nvida cards. The X Sonars are better at handling a single screen or a dual screen setup. Either way CW did a great job in making X1/X2 shine on any setup.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 16:01:09
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hgj1357 ...and another thing! I'm looking at getting a high end 2D video card (or two) rather than a low or mid-level 3D card. I am making an assumption here that there is no benefit to 3D capability for Sonar. Is that a reasonable assumption? I wouldn't do that If you run Win 7 you will benefit from a card that is meant for 3D graphics due the its processing power. Vista/Win 7 uses Aero to off load screen updates to the graphics card which leaves more CPU for audio processing. If you turn it off all screen refreshing goes through the CPU. Plus with Nvida cards there is Cuda processing ability. Some programs use that if its available. See this for details.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 16:07:03
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Thanks John. A year or two back (when Sonar 8.0 was new!) I was looking at a 27" or 30" monitor & a 20" for dual. Now, I can get 4x 24" monitors for far less than my original crazy plan. Sonar 8 wasn't great for separating windows and workflow onto different monitors. X2 looks far better.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 16:20:08
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Hi there Howard I switched to two monitors when I got X1 and to me, it's a really intuitive way to work (I'm using 24"HD and 22" monitors) - and I've never used screensets that much so the two monitor approach really works well for me. For example, when I'm tracking guitar and bass, I have X2's Track View open on my main monitor and use the other screen to show my POD Farm UI and a chromatic tuner - this is really useful as the standalone version of POD Farm isn't dockable, nor can it be set to 'always on top'. When I'm mixing, I float the Console View and drag that over to the second monitor.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 16:34:25
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I use a pair of 25" HP monitors, one for X2 and the other to display soft synths. Also display the PRV on the second monitor. I have a NVidia GT520 fanless video card for both monitors. Alex
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 17:39:46
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You'll love it all the way around when working and mixing. Cant beat undocking and having things up on different screens. Makes it soooo easy especially with tabs so you can have all your favorite working screens up. You can just pop back and forth as needed
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 17:47:42
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Probably wont apply to you but most Nvidia cards are limited to 2 monitors whereas higher end ATI cards can do at least three.. I had always had Nvidia cards until i wanted a third monitor for my synth workstation
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 18:36:13
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I have an Nvidia GTX550 TI and running two 28" Hanns G monitors. I do both audio and video editing and LOVE the visual real estate. No way I could go back to one monitor now. And to think I used to edit video on ONE 19" widescreen.....LOL.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 18:55:36
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I use dual monitors with X2 on Windows 7 - 64 bit, GeForce GTX-580, M-Audio Delta 1010LT, with 16 GB of ram. Never had a problem (even when I had 8 GB), and could NEVER imagine going back to using just one monitor.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 19:03:13
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X1 and X2 are great on two monitors. I have two 23 inch (or is it 23.5? - who cares) and it's great. Recently having to do a bit on one monitor, and wondered how I used to cope. M favorite setup is to spread X2 over both screens (they're side by side and touching), so you have one really wide monitor. Can display whole track view at once, or have really wide console view with loads of ProChannel open. On your ProChannel enquiry - Yes, I think ProChannel and it's extra modules are fantastic - Great workflow and great sound. Now we have Pro Channel FX Chains in X2, I don't trouble the FX bin. IMHO, ProChannel is worth the price of Producer alone.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/20 19:18:41
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hgj1357 Sonar 8 wasn't great for separating windows and workflow onto different monitors. Not sure why you think that. I use Sonar 7 and there is plenty of scope for separating different windows. I have 4 screens and I tend to keep Track View and Piano Roll View permanently open on two of them while the other two get used for different things at different times, e.g. Plugin GUIs, Synth Rack, Console View, Staff View, Tempo View, Help File, Sonar Manual (definitely a good use of screen area). If I had 6 screens I could easily fill them.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 02:08:51
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I use triple monitors. Two 22" side by side for the main view and another one above my keyboards as I can't be bothered to turn my head anymore. I think multiple monitors are great and very useful but on on the X series they are a nice addition to have as opposed to earlier versions where they were IMHO an absolute necessity. The layout and workflow methods available in the X series, think Screensets, (<---Take note Steve  ) have removed that necessity element. Just to add my tuppence worth.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 08:37:12
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FastBikerBoy I use triple monitors. Two 22" side by side for the main view and another one above my keyboards as I can't be bothered to turn my head anymore. I really want to do that as well. currently my video card only supports 2 monitors, but I would love to add another so I can put a screen in front of my keyboards.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 09:41:05
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Beagle FastBikerBoy I use triple monitors. Two 22" side by side for the main view and another one above my keyboards as I can't be bothered to turn my head anymore. I really want to do that as well. currently my video card only supports 2 monitors, but I would love to add another so I can put a screen in front of my keyboards. If you already have the monitor the expense isn't that great. I have two ATI 5450 cards. One is in the PCIe x16 slot, the other in one of the x8 slots (IIRC). You will need two cards that can use the same driver though. I tried it with two different cards and it was a nightmare although there are some on the web claim it can be done I never got it working, not under windows 7. It seems to me that XP actually had better support for two graphics cards as I ran two different ones under that OS. My MB supports crossfire natively but I believe the cards can be linked with a cable if your MB doesn't. Crossfire is the ATi term I have no idea what NVidea call theirs. It's a nice luxury but I still haven't found any way of extending a desktop across two and cloning the desktop onto the other one. There are workarounds and I'm using DisplayFusionPro which can mirror a monitor or window to the third one but to be honest it's a bit kludgey. I trialled one of the other alternatives and it wasn't much better. Now I just have a keyboard shortcut set up to switch windows between monitors so just do that as required. It is a handy extravagance though.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 09:53:09
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Kev999 hgj1357 Sonar 8 wasn't great for separating windows and workflow onto different monitors. Not sure why you think that. I use Sonar 7 and there is plenty of scope for separating different windows. I have 4 screens and I tend to keep Track View and Piano Roll View permanently open on two of them while the other two get used for different things at different times, e.g. Plugin GUIs, Synth Rack, Console View, Staff View, Tempo View, Help File, Sonar Manual (definitely a good use of screen area). If I had 6 screens I could easily fill them. In 8 the console window and track window both have to remain inside the main sonar window. THe only way to get them in separate monitors is to stretch the main sonar window accross two monitors which I didn't want to do. I agree that VST GUIs can be all over and that is really nice.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 10:02:51
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hgj1357 Kev999 hgj1357 Sonar 8 wasn't great for separating windows and workflow onto different monitors. Not sure why you think that. I use Sonar 7 and there is plenty of scope for separating different windows. I have 4 screens and I tend to keep Track View and Piano Roll View permanently open on two of them while the other two get used for different things at different times, e.g. Plugin GUIs, Synth Rack, Console View, Staff View, Tempo View, Help File, Sonar Manual (definitely a good use of screen area). If I had 6 screens I could easily fill them. In 8 the console window and track window both have to remain inside the main sonar window. THe only way to get them in separate monitors is to stretch the main sonar window accross two monitors which I didn't want to do. I agree that VST GUIs can be all over and that is really nice. I haven't used 8 since the X series started but IIRC you just need to "enable floating" from the Windows Window menu (top left corner). You should then be able to move any window out of the main Sonar view. IMHO V8.5 and earlier needed dual monitors whereas the X series doesn't simply because of the multidock and........(drum roll)..... screensets.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 10:04:23
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I use 3 monitors and and really like it. One monitor is an old TV that only gets Picture played back on it. I think i'm going to need to replace it in the near future because it is not hi def and I can't take total advantage or a 3 monitor system, but for now the system works. My main monitor is track view and the 2nd bounces back and forth between Staff View and Console View....which brings to mind Screensets. The OP should know Screensets make X1/X2 really a lot of fun and navigating monitors very efficient. BUT BE forewarned...jumping from Sonar 8 to Sonar X is not too easy. There will be growing pains and a somewhat steep re-learning curve. But Prochannel and Screensets should make it worth it for you in the long run. I really have benefited from both. ....now if only Staff view could step up a notch I would be in heaven.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 10:46:06
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I'm running 2 different cards, with no issue, not by plan, rather to reuse what I already have rather than buying another card, after I added the 3rd monitor. Check my system spec below.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 10:58:31
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Just a thought. I found that I could buy 32" HDTV's for around $199 each. I picked up a couple of them,and they work GREAT - I then returned a bad 512 GB solid-state drive and took the refund store card and bout a 46" HDTV, which is now my main monitor. Check out the prices of HDTV displays,and you will find great prices on really big displays. Bob Bone
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 11:00:53
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wkith skylight you need as much screen real estate as possible - the more monitors the merrier! :)
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 11:11:05
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tomixornot I'm running 2 different cards, with no issue, not by plan, rather to reuse what I already have rather than buying another card, after I added the 3rd monitor. Check my system spec below. That's interesting. I tried with two different ATi cards under Win 7 and it just wouldn't play. If I installed one the other just refused to install. Uninstall it and the other would install okay, they just wouldn't install together. I read a whole bunch of posts while I was trying - some from people such as yourself saying yeah it's easy put them in and they just work and others like myself who couldn't get it to work for love nor money. I guess like many things PC related hardware combinations have much to do with it. I gave up in the end and bought two cards that could run the same driver which seemed to be the common 'fix' I wonder whether the two different card manufacturers are something to so with it? I was running two different manufacturers cards on XP and that just worked. Anyway - have you found any way of extending the desktop across two of them and having a cloned desktop on the other except for the mirroring technique used by most of the graphic manager utilities? That works but it displays the stretched monitors at their combined resolution which obviously doesn't work very well on a single monitor.
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 11:17:55
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hi karl - are they the same model video cards? is there a limitation on the mobo maybe?
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 11:23:49
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They are now and they work, but previously they were same manufacturer different cards. A 5450 and another ATi card the type of which escapes me now. IIRC I couldn't get it working on my previous ASUS MB or my current Gigabyte P67A. By the looks of it tomixornot has two different manufacturer's cards running together including one that I was trying with (the 5450). I now have two of those and they work fine together. Computers eh?
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Re:X2 with multiple monitors
2012/10/21 11:28:48
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i suspect that maybe for 2 modern cards they both need, if not to be the same model, at least to both support the crossfire/sli dual-card gamer thingy?
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