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X2-So where does it go from here?
With my current evaluation I can't see anything else that could be offered that I need so I posted the question of what could be offered to keep my business because I can't see my continuing to spend for needless additions. I started this new thread because I have a new outlook. I've been feeling that they would have to come up with something very special for me to keep riding with them, which I'd like to do. Well I have it. Let's assume that X2 is the last version that one would need. I know...but let's just go with that. Now imagine that I run the business and I'm talking with all the bakers.... Well boys...what next? You tell us boss. Ok I will.... I want three teams assembled. One audio. One midi. And one I'll tell you about in a minute. First off- I want the audio, midi and everything in the program to work. If there are bugs of any kind I want them eliminated- period and here's why.... We're going NASA boys.... We are going to make 3D instructional videos and there will be no detail not covered. Now I want you to watch this NASA 3D video of this astronaut installing this piece of hardware in the Space Station. Every single move is written out for him. He follows each detailed step. As a viewer the experience is amazingly real. One feels as if they are right by his side and feels they too could perform the task when completed. Now what we are going to do is this- We're going to make a 3D instructional video of using X2 from the beginning to the end of a tune, radio ready, of a three piece band first. There will be nothing prepared it will be done from scratch to completion. If X2 has notation then at the end of the project I want to see it. I want to see each individual part printed out and I want to see the score complete with all percussion. If there are vocals and X2 will handle lyrics...I want to see it. If it's an audio track I want to see one using whatever they choose, such as Melodyne, to give me the transcription. I want template creations and drum maps procedures included in detail- the same detail that NASA includes down to torque on the little screws. Don't be telling viewers what they can do...you show them in detail. You make them feel like they are turning that knob. Gentlemen...the day has come to show our customers that X2 not only works but to show it in detail. We want our customers to know not only that we provide a product but we provide everything except the talent to create music. Limit this first video to keyboard and mouse use only. Another thing Gentlemen....everything in our program better work and get ready....the 3 piece is just the beginning. Oh yeah....there will be a small fee for viewing the instructional videos in HD and HD 3D. LOL....well what the heck...we can dream can't we?
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 08:57:15
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That sounds like an interesting idea. Are we talking Andy Serkis in one of those suits with the ping pong balls attached for CGI tracking? Very ambitious.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:04:18
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3d video of a 2d computer screen... interesting concept.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:10:26
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Karyn 3d video of a 2d computer screen... interesting concept. Killjoy...
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:12:25
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3D tutorials will help the folks that get confused with all those pesky VST windows floating around. Here's my prediction... Cakewalk will spend the next 8 years promising to make Take Lanes work with the convienience, power, and flexibilty of Layers. Then Cakewalk will roll out a newly invented feature for 2020; "Layers". I'm looking forward to watching the ride. Moooooouh. :-)
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:17:45
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I could have watched NASA without 3D. Why did they film it in 3D? Why would you think of only the screen? I envision a real life experience. I want to be the eyes and follow them in to the room and sit next to them and have them start the PC and watch them use everything from the get go to the end. I walked out of my house last Saturday morning and starting preparing to spend the day on my Harley Softail with my wife on back. I've been thinking about getting a helmet cam so I could share a ride here but anyway... Now our lives depend on that bike doing exactly what it is suppose to do. It is suppose to function and respond to my control. Why should X2 be any different? Do you think those guys would be nervous to record them performing with X2 and all it's functions and posting the UNEDITED video? Could they walk up to their X2 with the same confidence that I do with my Harley and load my wife on back? Well it's easy enough to prove. It's all about ability and performance. You can or you can't. And when you put your life and your wifes life on the line you better have your act together. Well Cake? Do you have your act together? Prove it. Go live and use what's in the package. And take a rider along in 3D. I'm not being unreasonable. They've been getting a lot of money no different than Harley-Davidson got a lot. I like it when people have to put up or shut up.
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2012/09/25 09:35:54
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☄ Helpful
spacey Every single move is written out for him. He follows each detailed step. As a viewer the experience is amazingly real. One feels as if they are right by his side and feels they too could perform the task when completed. Hey Mike, just out of interest, have you checked out the excellent VIDEO produced by our very own Karl (aka FastBikerBoy)? He goes into a lot of detail on virtually every aspect of X2. I consider myself quite a quick learner, but my taking the information on board depends a lot how it is portrayed. Page after page of technical manuals don't really do it for me; I find them great for using as a 'reference' tool, but not as a 'learning' tool. I appreciate the difference is subtle, but I think it's valid. From what I've watched so far of Karl's video, it's clear that it's been really well thought out, and the information is presented logically and clearly. And because it's in video format, it's easy to run the content on one monitor (and being able to pause/rewind etc at will) while having X2 open on my other monitor so I can actually work through the ideas presented. I find that, for me anyway, this 'hands on' approach to learning works really well. spacey Now what we are going to do is this- We're going to make a 3D instructional video of using X2 from the beginning to the end of a tune, radio ready, of a three piece band first. There will be nothing prepared it will be done from scratch to completion. Cool idea. Again, I'd certainly pick up a lot from something like this. Haven't they done something like this for previous version/s of SONAR?
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:43:38
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All I want for X3, (it could even be an X2 expanded patch), is the console view rendered in 3D. It would be a kewl gimick if it supported 3D displays, but just having the console displayed on screen as if a real console were sat on the desk infront of me would be great.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 09:54:19
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SteveStrummerUK spacey Every single move is written out for him. He follows each detailed step. As a viewer the experience is amazingly real. One feels as if they are right by his side and feels they too could perform the task when completed. Hey Mike, just out of interest, have you checked out the excellent VIDEO produced by our very own Karl (aka FastBikerBoy)? He goes into a lot of detail on virtually every aspect of X2. I consider myself quite a quick learner, but my taking the information on board depends a lot how it is portrayed. Page after page of technical manuals don't really do it for me; I find them great for using as a 'reference' tool, but not as a 'learning' tool. I appreciate the difference is subtle, but I think it's valid. From what I've watched so far of Karl's video, it's clear that it's been really well thought out, and the information is presented logically and clearly. And because it's in video format, it's easy to run the content on one monitor (and being able to pause/rewind etc at will) while having X2 open on my other monitor so I can actually work through the ideas presented. I find that, for me anyway, this 'hands on' approach to learning works really well. spacey Now what we are going to do is this- We're going to make a 3D instructional video of using X2 from the beginning to the end of a tune, radio ready, of a three piece band first. There will be nothing prepared it will be done from scratch to completion. Cool idea. Again, I'd certainly pick up a lot from something like this. Haven't they done something like this for previous version/s of SONAR? +1 Steve. I too like to learn from the tutorials running on one screen and Sonar on the other as I did this with a lot of the Groove3 video's. I'm glad to see the endorsement on Karl's video (thanks) and will be getting that along with X2.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 10:12:46
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No I haven't Steve but I will this evening after work. Security has me blocked.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 10:23:39
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I appreciate the videos and the time put into making them. I haven't downloaded X2 yet but I should have the links in my mailbox. I'm excited to try it out tonight. The nice thing about X2 seems to be that we are building on prior knowledge for the most part instead of learning a whole new GUI like the last time.Some things are different but not everything.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 10:29:49
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How about one of those video camera interfaces? You could start/stop recording or playback with a wave of your hand and have a virtual theremin. It's probably not very practical for mixing. Any other ideas for using something like that? The specs and interfaces already exist. I bet the toughest part would be licensing.
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2012/09/25 10:32:13
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Mesh SteveStrummerUK spacey Every single move is written out for him. He follows each detailed step. As a viewer the experience is amazingly real. One feels as if they are right by his side and feels they too could perform the task when completed. Hey Mike, just out of interest, have you checked out the excellent VIDEO produced by our very own Karl (aka FastBikerBoy)? He goes into a lot of detail on virtually every aspect of X2. I consider myself quite a quick learner, but my taking the information on board depends a lot how it is portrayed. Page after page of technical manuals don't really do it for me; I find them great for using as a 'reference' tool, but not as a 'learning' tool. I appreciate the difference is subtle, but I think it's valid. From what I've watched so far of Karl's video, it's clear that it's been really well thought out, and the information is presented logically and clearly. And because it's in video format, it's easy to run the content on one monitor (and being able to pause/rewind etc at will) while having X2 open on my other monitor so I can actually work through the ideas presented. I find that, for me anyway, this 'hands on' approach to learning works really well. spacey Now what we are going to do is this- We're going to make a 3D instructional video of using X2 from the beginning to the end of a tune, radio ready, of a three piece band first. There will be nothing prepared it will be done from scratch to completion. Cool idea. Again, I'd certainly pick up a lot from something like this. Haven't they done something like this for previous version/s of SONAR? +1 Steve. I too like to learn from the tutorials running on one screen and Sonar on the other as I did this with a lot of the Groove3 video's. I'm glad to see the endorsement on Karl's video (thanks) and will be getting that along with X2. And because Karl is a SONAR user anyway, he knows exactly what it's like to learn the program. This puts him in the perfect position to present the information in a way the rest of us can also really relate to. I hope this is just the beginning for him - I'd happily support him in future videos regarding anything to do with X2, and think it's a no-brainer that he gets the gig for X3. This reminds me of a time many moons ago when I was considering a move into freelance photography. I'd been a pretty keen amateur for a while and was absorbing information from books and magazines like a sponge. But I was fortunate enough to be good pals with an old guy who really knew his stuff and who'd worked with large/medium format gear in the studio and in the field, as well as SLRs. We used to go on photography trips and he passed on his knowledge of the theory of the subject 'hands on'. I think I was using a Canon A1 as my main camera body at the time but he got me using it in full manual mode with handheld meters (both ambient and reading off a gray card); and he also introduced me to the benefits of such things as underexposing slide film by half a stop coupled with using a circular polarising filter. On those occasional days out, I learnt more from dear old Albert about the relationship between film speed, focal length, shutter speed and aperture than any amount of just reading I'd done about it.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 10:37:21
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If some can project a holographic keyboard, why not a holographic console projected onto the desk (the real wooden desktop)?
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2012/09/25 10:44:35
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Gentlemen...the day has come to show our customers that X2 not only works but to show it in detail. We want our customers to know not only that we provide a product but we provide everything except the talent to create music. Limit this first video to keyboard and mouse use only. Great idea Spacey. My X3 (tongue in cheek) feature request was for Brandon and Seth to personally visit each of us for a personal full day seminar. Of course I know that wont happen but I think you captured what I really wanted to say. @ Steve: The dual monitors is a great idea, I had not thought of that and I think it will really help me and i totally agree my uptake completely depends on the presentation. Most teachers assume that I know more than I do and I have high expectations for Karl's video. This has me a bit excited and that is not and easy thing to do these days. This is a helpful thread... I woulld add a helpful banner to the OP and to Steve's post if I knew how Julien
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 11:18:15
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Thank you Julien for the wakeup call. In my little head I just mark everyone as helpful. I can follow by reading and listening but we know it's not the same. A live video (or no edits) has the potiential to help that is offered no other way. Naturally it should be fun and real...like being there with them. If I were to make one ( which I simply don't have the talent to do) I would want the viewer (camara man) to be connected to at least a few people that could relay questions and or suggestions....a recording of a live project. Keep the equipment simple and something for everyone and hit as many X2 functions as possible. Drums, bass, guitar, keyboard/synth. The only preperation would be the tune - only in the head of the host. No big production or lengthy tune. Focus on- Starting the project- template, stored folders, etc... What instrument first and why.. Ya'll get it....and probably better than I do. And don't stop for problems....show how it is....how to handle...if it can be handled. Make it as a one person experience. Direct in for the bass/guitar....amps - mic'ing all that could be a different project. I think after the first one a second one just like the first one -to cover any and everything that was missed or that could be done in a completely different way would be good. It just may be what Cake needs to see. How a dummy like me has to struggle. They just may realize how many things aren't so simple or work the same for someone else.....just a thought...I could be wrong.
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 11:25:23
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So I'm still trying to figure out who those "Gentlemen" are to which you referred in the OP #1..... or does it even matter? Nice ideas... of course we all know that it's wishful thinking...and cake will claim they already do all of that anyway......
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Re:X2-So where does it go from here?
2012/09/25 11:46:05
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Guitarhacker So I'm still trying to figure out who those "Gentlemen" are to which you referred in the OP #1..... or does it even matter? Nice ideas... of course we all know that it's wishful thinking...and cake will claim they already do all of that anyway...... Now imagine that I run the business and I'm talking with all the bakers.... Well boys...what next? You tell us boss. Ok I will....
No....my wishful thinking is in another thread I just posted. This one is much more. It is about them showing how to use EVERYTHING that they've put in X2. Show that it works. And don't use edited video....sit down and do it. More of a challenge wouldn't you say? And if they can?....what a great instructional video it would be. No losers, we all win.
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