vintagevibe

Funkybot

4. Real VST support: Sonar is still using a wrapper at it's core. VST support is not baked in. This is probably part of what makes Sonar so unstable, and why developers often dislike it as a DAW (as they have to work around Sonar specific "features")

What makes you think that?

Jlien X

Edit: BTW, what is real instrument tracks?

stevee9c6


I just wish it was more stable. I now auto save every three minutes.  X2 crashes almost every session at one point or another. It usually is due to a VST on one or another tracks. I even bought PT10 and Cubase to see if they were better. PT10 is steady but is the most counterintuitive software I have ever used.  I have not really gotten into Cubase enough to know.  I own a V-Studio 700 system that I really like, but as many others have found.... it is essentially a doorstop with other DAWS.  I don't want or need esoteric software functions. I want a Cakewalk solution that is rock solid and works with the hardware that was supposed to be the "cats meow" for Sonar. I would point out one thing however. Just be glad you are not locked into ProTools.  There new upgrade policy and pricing to PT11 making owners cough up an extra $1000 for the complete tookit they've already paid for is draconian to say the least. Pro Tools forums are literally seething over this.

I just want a solid, stable Sonar! 

Jlien X

Paul P


Everything else aside, I find X2 to be simply beautiful visually.

The sharpness, the cleanliness, the 3D reality of it.

Strongly agree. Everything's a bit too large for me, though.

Paul P


Funkybot : "take the number of tracks visible at a time in the console view..."

I wouldn't want the strips to be any narrower than they are when in 'narrow' mode.

To really appreciate X2 you need at least one large screen, the higher the resolution the better.

I'd like PC effects to pop out into larger windows, but apart from that I find everything is sized nicely.

But then I don't run X2 on a tablet.

anniedog


Just switch to Cubase 7 64 like I did.  I drop back here once in a while to see if by slim chance the bakers have baked a cake that won't fall in the middle . I see they still want more and more money to make a functional stable DAW. They have long since got my last penny. Well I better get back to recording . I  feel sorry for you blind believers.  I actually have money now to buy more toys as I am not burning it up in the bakers ovens anymore. Cheers  I hope you guys stop feeding this DAW slot machine too so it goes away and stops sucking peoples money for nothing but  the same old problems  with a few added features. Check all the other forums , none of them are filled wiith as many issues and unhappy people as this one. As for the cakewalk lemmings, seek professional help.

rop back here once in a while to see if by slim chance the bakers have baked a cake that won't fall in the middle . I see they still want more and more money to make a functional stable DAW. They have long since got my last penny. Well I better get back to recording . I  feel sorry for you blind believers.  I actually have money now to buy more toys as I am not burning it up in the bakers ovens anymore. Cheers  I hope you guys stop feeding this DAW slot machine too so it goes away and stops sucking peoples money for nothing but  the same old problems  with a few added features. Check all the other forums , none of them are filled wiith as many issues and unhappy people as this one. As for the cakewalk lemmings, seek professional help.

dimelives1

Funkybot

You can bounce to audio, but you can't record.


Let's say you're playing a synth part, and in realtime, you want to use the output of the VSTi as the input of your audio track and record it like you would a physical instrument. You cannot do that in Sonar. Instead you have to record the MIDI performance, then you can bounce it, or freeze it after the fact.

(Not being facetious at all here) Please explain to me what the difference is, aside from the annoyance of having to bounce or freeze to audio after recording. What is the difference in the end result between recording in MIDI and bouncing/freezing to audio vs. recording the performance instantly as if it were a physical instrument?

dimelives1


Would be nice to get an X2b update to address at least the further bugs and other issues that folks have brought up here, before rushing out the next X.

Paul P


Funkybot : ". If I could record the outputs realtime, like in Studio One, I could record all 12 outputs in a single pass. "

I'm not sure how valid this idea is since I've just started playing with it,
but there are VST plugin recorders that'll save whatever's happening to a wav file
which then just has to be dragged in.

chuckebaby

Funkybot


I was convinced there'd be an X2B released by now, but I'm now going the other way. I think they're skipping X2B all together at this point, which would be a shame.

I suspect with the recent re-assignments and firing(s) at Cakewalk, there's some kind of shift happening. Whether it will benefit end-users in the long run remains to be seen, but it doesn't look good so far.

Frankly, I wish I had stayed at Sonar 8.5, as the only good thing to come out of my upgrading to X2 is that it lead me purchasing a Studio One Pro license. While Studio One lacks some major features, and has some quirks with keyboard shortcuts and mouse modifiers, it's otherwise been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me. I'm actually making more music with it than I had been in Sonar. If Cakewalk can get back on what I perceive to be the right track, I'll be right there with them, rooting them on, but as it stands, I'm not optimistic.

about a month ago I told you nothing was a guarantee but you said you were absolutely positive we would most definitely see the x2B patch.
we went back and forth on it for like 3 or 4 posts till I realized you were being stubborn.
hate to say I told you so but once again, nothing is a guarantee.
 
I had as good a guess as you did weather there would be a x2a or an x3.
who knows maybe we will see an x2 b
 
but to be honest, you've been around a long time if you've been here since the pro audio days like myself(not on the form, just an owner)
id hate to see cakewalk lose a good customer like yourself, my opinion about your ignorance doesn't  prove mean you have a lot to offer to users here on this forum.
because you do. your a pretty smart guy.
 
anyway, I hope you chose to stay and I wish you best on any issues you might have.
even though ive had good luck doesn't mean I don't feel for people who have problems.
 
good luck, I mean that.