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[Solved] X3 Demo killed my 8.5
I was going to finally cave in - Would be nice to have Pro Channel, Melodyne and the other goodies in X3. Still can-not-stand the look of the interface, but since it sounds like things are finally working well with X3, I was going to buy it today, the last day of the $150 upgrade deal. I've been using 8.5 with zero problems for years now. Was working on a mix last night in fact. Thought it could be good to poke around with the X3 demo first. The program installed, but when I tried to run it -Error message: "Unable to register the DLL/OCX: RegSvr32 failed with exit code." Tried to fix that as per the TONS of results I got on that when I Googled it. FIVE un and reinstalls later--gave up, got rid of the demo installer. Now 8.5 doesn't work. The dreaded Microsoft VIsual C++ Runtime Library Runtime Error. I have spent hours now running Windows 7 updates, trying a restore point - now when I've downloaded 8.5 again from my account page, have tried twice to install it - says the file is corrupt and won't install. I-Am-Pissed-Off. At first I was sitting here holding out my hard-earned $150 - Next, I'm running away from X3 as fast as I can, and in the wake of trying it out, my Sonar is broken, I'm dead in the water. Running the demo updated things in my master Cakewalk file - broke something 8.5 needed - I guess. Great. And that's the short version of the horror story. Anything in this message that gives folks an idea of what I can do? rbowser
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 3:58 PM
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:09 PM
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Thanks for the reply, Alex - I have run all available Windows updates twice today, and the vcredist files you linked to I've now run twice. - No joy. Did I not have a backup of 8.5? Yes - I thought getting a fresh download would be good, so got that. Odd that it gave me a different serial # than the original--? But ran that--No change. Kicking self down the stairs and back - I've avoided all Sonar Xs since the nightmare of the first X1 release - got sucked in again, and now this- A day of doing everything under the sun to just get back what I had last night. The X3 demo somehow messed with the Visual C++ Runtime Library? depressed in Oregon
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:22 PM
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C++ dependencies aren't really Sonar's fault, this is a Windows thing... Once you get this sorted you could probably install the demo again... Maybe this tool will help you work out the library you need:, open up the file that is crashing to find any missing dependencies, full instructions on the website (and maybe youtube) http://www.dependencywalker.com/
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:25 PM
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--I'll follow the link and try it, thanks Alex. Why would installing a Sonar demo screw up my existing Sonar? I just don't get it. Re-installing 8.5 twice now yields no change. I'm pretty much freaking. I'll go look at "Dependency Walker"--I peeked,- hope I can figure it out.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:29 PM
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Edited previous post (sorry)... Software often requires program libraries, Sonar is this case required C++. Multiple applications may be dependant on different versions of these programming libraries. Normally if all software is totally up to date it isn't much of a problem, but with old software on newer operating systems that are receiving updates you could run into issues. It's more of a windows thing anyway, and lots of software shares library component, and often these dependencies get muddled... Take a deep breath I'm sure you'll find the issue. Also please check you windows event viewer log for errors.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:34 PM
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A report from Dependency Walker, analyzing the Sonar .exe file: Warning: At least one delay-load dependency module was not found. Warning: At least one module has an unresolved import due to a missing export function in a delay-load dependent module.
And there's a long list of missing files - "Error opening file. The system cannot find the file specified." Things like "API-MIS-WIN-APPMODEL-RUNTIME-L1-1-0.dll" Would love to just use the restore point from before the demo install. Ran that - Restore point failed. I'm out of my depth trying to unravel this - I just keep trying things like Windows "Fixit" routines - they just say their routines fail when I run them. This machine was running PERFECTLY-- Sonar Demo - BOOM-Fried - I can't get over it.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 4:57 PM
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You definitely ran exactly what I linked to in #2, not later or earlier version of the redistributable?
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 5:02 PM
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 5:30 PM
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CakeAlexS If so and still no joy try this: http://www.microsoft.com/.../details.aspx?id=14632 Are you running 64 bit everywhere?
I always have both 32 bit and 64 bit versions on 'puter - I've done complete uninstall of 8.5, reinstall, same results. Your new link is to Visual C++ 2010, and I've run that twice today. When reinstalling Sonar I see it runs C++ 2005. EDIT: More accurately - when I run that C++2010 package, it refuses to install because I have newer versions on the machine. Here's a bite - I tried my X1 which I've kept though I loathe it. It works, opens and plays fine! But I can't stand it. It will be VERY last plan to just use it instead of 8.5 beauty I had until last night. Obviously not springing for X3 update after this nightmare. I think it's hopeless. I've tried running from restore points three times today-they all fail. Haven't been so disgusted with software since I don't know when - Oh I DO know when - when I first installed X1 soon after its release. lol.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 5:57 PM
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Well, 8 1/12 hours trying to fix this today is enough. Interesting followup: Not only does the detested X1 work, but so do Home Studio 7, 6, 4 and Sonar LE, and Sonar 8! (pre 8.5 update)--ALL still on my machine, and ALL still working. It's "only" 8.5 that's broken now - the only program I've used for years. Somewhere there's a logical explanation, somewhere there's a fix - But this is really one of the worst experiences I've ever had on a computer. Working away happily - try an upgrade demo-- DESTRUCTION in its path. And in a particularly wicked way, whatever the frick happened didn't phase ANY other Sonars I have on the computer - just the one I love and use. It doesn't matter to me that we can slough the problem off on Windows -this is totally unacceptable sh!t. SOMEthing is going on with that Sonar X3 demo that played havoc with my home studio, and if I could sue someone- I'd be on the phone to a lawyer NOW. I'm devastated. I'll open my curtain project in one of the Home Studios to limp along finishing it. Talk about a BIG step backwards--good god- haven't seen those programs in many years. At least they open and the current project plays. Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 6:05 PM
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Sorry this looks like a Windows issue which was trigged by Sonar. Your lawyer would have told you to back up your system first, please get yourself a 4tb external USB hard drive and a copy of Acronis True Image before you install any software next time (sorry not what you want to hear now but in future this may be good advice). Anyways have you tried the 32 bit versions of the C++ libraries? You say 8.5 is broken, 32 bit, 64 bit or both? What is the error in the Windows event viewer? Please can you explain what is happening in full detail. (Oh and another thing, you could try a Windows recovery point).
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 8:31 PM
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CakeAlexS...Your lawyer would have told you to back up your system first, please get yourself a 4tb external USB hard drive and a copy of Acronis True Image before you install any software next time (sorry not what you want to hear now but in future this may be good advice). Anyways have you tried the 32 bit versions of the C++ libraries? You say 8.5 is broken, 32 bit, 64 bit or both? What is the error in the Windows event viewer? Please can you explain what is happening in full detail. (Oh and another thing, you could try a Windows recovery point) After 8 hours of trying to fix this earlier, I took a chill pill to at least escape with sleep. Back at machine - AND I need to give you a bunch of Gold Stars, Alex, for trying to help out. - Taking your items in order: --I didn't save a system image. I do have quite a few, but frankly they go back way too far. Didn't occur to me to worry about doing one with such a mundane everyday thing as trying another Sonar demo. Yep, should have, but I wouldn't have anticipated a problem in a million years. Yes, I've tried both 32 and 64 bit C++ files - have them all, have run them all. Both 32 and 64 bit versions of Sonar 8.5 no longer work. NOTE: Every danged single other version I have of Sonar on this machine works. It looks like I'm going to try to finish my current project in Sonar LE, of all things. In Windows Event Viewer clicking the big red Error exclamation point under applications: Faulting application name: SONARSTD.EXE, version: 17.5.0.141, time stamp: 0x4a9774b3Faulting module name: MSVCR90.dll, version: 9.0.30729.6161, time stamp: 0x4dace4e7Exception code: 0x40000015Tried Recuva since info on line says that .dll must have been deleted BY A RECENT INSTALLATION. Recuva seemed squirrely, kept locking up, using its search didn't find MSVCR90.dll. What is happening is I try to open either 32 or 64 bit Sonar 8.5, and there's the error message: Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library Runtime ErrorProgram: C: etcThis application has requested the Runtime to termininate in an unusual way.Please contact the application's support team for more information.I have tried Windows Restore twice today, after waiting a long time, both failed. First time that's happened. Confirming again that ALL versions of Sonar on this machine work, except the only one I want to use - 8.5. That's all 8 of the other Cakewalk/Sonars, the Home Studios, X1 both 32 and 64 bit. I'll try to refrain from hyperbole--BUT - this, for me, is nothing short of devastating. My program's dead. Thank you so much, Sonar fricking X3 demo which never worked. And natch, goodbye to the things I was hoping to get today in Sonar X3 Producer that I was robbing the piggy bank to buy! Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 8:42 PM
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Randy your scaring the hell out of me as I just paid for the upgrade to X3 Studio! But a few things that I'm thinking. First, this sounds to me like your downloads are not complete, Like there is missing data. And your saying both X3 and you re downloaded 8.5. Do you not have a copy of 8.5 stored to a disk or Hard drive? I myself am always reluctant to buy software via a download for this very reason. For my purchase I am going to go to a location where I know the internet is stable and will not cut out. At my house this is not the case. I also have been at a few other locations where the internet cuts out for a few seconds. Another small possibility is something did go haywire with your computer and it is just a coincidence it happened at this time. I don't know if you have this option, but I would try to install on a second computer just to test this theory. What I might do is install my X3 on a fresh C drive. This way I'll still have my original set up easily restored. Hard drives are cheap and a C drive doesn't need to be very big. All my data is on other drives so it's only the OS and software involved. Sure it's a PITA but I'm into 3 years with this drive so it is on my list of housekeeping duties any how. I hate this kind of stuff.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 9:41 PM
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Cactus Music...First, this sounds to me like your downloads are not complete, Like there is missing data. And your saying both X3 and you re downloaded 8.5. Do you not have a copy of 8.5 stored to a disk... ...Another small possibility is something did go haywire with your computer and it is just a coincidence it happened at this time... ...I don't know if you have this option, but I would try to install on a second computer just to test this theory... Thanks for the reply Cactus. Yes, I also made a hard copy of 8.5 along with the update patches. After reading your post, I reinstalled once again, this time from the disc. Same result. The possibility of something happening on the computer simultaneously at exactly the same time as installing the X3 demo is so astronomical - All I did was download the demo, run it - it never worked. I uninstalled it. In the wake of it, 8.5 was broken. It's virtually impossible for the two events not to be related. When I ran the Event Viewer and saw that the "faulting module" was MSVCR90.dll, I looked for that on the computer and found it's only in one program - the Calibre ebook program. So, I uninstalled that, downloaded it again, installed that. No change. Guess I've already used the word "devastated" - but that's still the best word. 8.5 has been my program for years. I love it. I DETEST X1 - who doesn't? But I guess I'm stuck with that now. Sonar LE works, but is of course a toy program. Home Studio 6 is more equipped, everyone also knows that HS 7 was a joke - I have that but wouldn't consider using it. Have no idea what's going to happen with old projects and unfinished projects. After spending 10 1/2 hours now trying to fix this, it will really seem like a miracle if some solution arises. The worst, most traumatic experience I've ever had with software. It's like waking up to find your car inexplicably not working and you don't have insurance to fix it. Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 10:12 PM
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Seeing that the installation is accessing C++ 2005, I went to Microsoft and installed that again. Yet again uninstalled 8.5, ran from old disc installers, ran the updates - same result. Ever want to just turn the clock back and want to take something back? Natch I wish I would never have installed that X3 demo - and on a computer, we're supposed to have a way to dial the clock back, with System Restore. But that's mysteriously broken too - After running it - the report is the system restore fails. It would be extremely hard to convince me that there was something squirrely in my download of the X3 demo. It never worked, had its own error messages, was uninstalled. I repeat myself - I'm just sitting here in a daze, finding it really impossible to accept that suddenly my Go To Program is gone.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
January 31, 14 11:46 PM
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I see from a search that there were posts about this exact same C++ error after people installed X1. Curious- Same thing with 8.5 no longer working. When I installed X1 back when it was released, I didn't have that problem. Now, here in 2014 I have the same problem they were describing with X3 - the demo at least. AND this is curious-- I've noticed the last few hours, that the MIDI Activity icon, you know in the "Show Hidden Icons" notifications at the lower right? It's constantly on - I have no MIDI device turned on, but it's constantly on. Before this, it only showed up when I turned my keyboard on or opened Sonar. Task Manager reveals nothing MIDI related still running --- Have to wonder if it's related. Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 1:19 AM
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Isn't the X3 Demo brand new? In the past we have always said that yes you can SAFELY install a new version of Sonar alongside of other versions. They apparently don't acknowledge each others existence but for the Plug in sharing. Didn't you say you had Sonar 7, Wouldn't that be the closest version? Wouldn't it use all your newer plug ins? Another course of action would be to start fresh and re install your OS. I would almost guarantee that all would work again. After all, it's not like your install disk has changed. It is obviously a virus like symptom caused by the X3 demo. I re do my OS as a matter of course to keep my hard dives new every 3 or 4 years. Sure it takes a few hours but works wonders for housekeeping. Certainly quicker than what's happening to you right now. Anyhow, good luck I sure hope this resolves itself as I agree that 8.5 was the best so far. I'm only grabbing the X3 studio version because for $99 it's got to be worth my time to learn the new system before 8.5 no longer runs at all. And like you, Melodyne intrigues me.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 1:36 AM
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Cactus Music...Didn't you say you had Sonar 7... ...Another course of action would be to start fresh and re install your OS... I've tried yet more since I wrote - all to no avail. Even had a BSOD after the last time I tried to run restore point again. No, I don't have Sonar 7, I have Home Studio 7 which is an acknowledged Piece O ****e - I'll either try to using Sonar 8 - omg--before all the 8.5 improvements, or HS 6, or Sonar LE-- I don't know. None of it is appealing - not after 14 hours now of trying to undo the damage. Fresh install of the OS?!?! Are you kidding - Last time I did that it took me a full two weeks, 8 hours a day reinstalling everything, setting things up and yadda-- Right now I REFUSE to do that just because of a fricked up demo installer. So disgusted. Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 1:57 AM
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Hmm, takes me about 3 hours, OS, Sonar, drivers, Win amp, Wave lab, done. Oh, copy plugs to vst folder.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 9:17 AM
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OK MSVCR90.dll. So we have something specific. Bingo (maybe) So this is C++ 2008 This: http://www.microsoft.com/...d/details.aspx?id=2092Or this (x86): http://www.microsoft.com/...d/details.aspx?id=5582 Anyway Sonar 8.5 is not seeing the right version of this file is your issue (or this file may even be missing as far as it is concerned), please remember this is a shared library so not a Sonar specific issue, unless your old version of Sonar has decided to point to the wrong file path for this library (i.e. hard coded against MS recommendations), looks likely as you say other versions of Sonar work (so if anything blame 8.5). There's another thing to try after this...
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 9:19 AM
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Which is 1) Backup 2) Go to administrative command prompt 3) Run: sfc /scannow
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 11:24 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear of all the problems you're having. Things are not working as they should. By any chance, was an anti-virus or anti-spyware program running in the background during installation? That is often the cause of mysterious "Windows is doing weird things when I did my installation" problems. I think at this point you need to contact Cakewalk support. Something has happened deep within the system and if it's unique to your system then it's likely they can fix it; if it's something that could happen to others, Cakewalk needs to know about it.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 11:46 AM
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Yup that was the final thing to try.... The issue is definitely that the C++ libraries are screwed, or Sonar 8.5 is pointing to the wrong C++ 2008 libraries (or Sonar 8.5 is pointing to a missing or wrong C++ DLL) looking at what the OP has in the event viewer (see thread #13). If reinstalling the 2008 libraries does not work (Microsoft install may be stubborn saying it is already updated as has been the case so far), SFC /scannow may repair any inconsistencies in windows that could also be the root cause of this issue. https://support.microsoft.com/kb/929833 Cheers..
post edited by CakeAlexS - February 01, 14 11:59 AM
Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 2:12 PM
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"Cactus," Alex, and Craig - You need to know how much I appreciate your assistance. I'll file an update report in case there's anything telling in it - but, jumping to the bottom line - there's still no change. 8.5 won't run.
Cactus - This computer isn't really a DAW station. It's my Everything computer. I have hundreds of programs. I have a document reminding me of all their locations and routines, but when I first set this machine up about 3 years ago now, it was a gigantic project. Unfortunately, the last system image I did is far too out of date for me to rely on. So - just don't want to face an entire re-do.
Alex - I downloaded and reinstalled C++ 2008, using your links. Yesterday I thought I'd updated all of them, but to be sure, ran these again. They don't really completely reinstall, they repair. So I can see when looking at the list, that the install dates are still from 2011 and 2012.
I Did discover that I didn't have C++ 2012 on the machine at all - Installed those today. No change - 8.5 still not working.
After doing more of these updates and installs of C++, I uninstalled 8.5 yet again to do a fresh install - No change. AND - something odd, the 64 bit version CAN'T BE UNINSTALLED now - it's missing the uninstall file "unins000.dat."
Maybe I should uninstall and reinstall each CC++? Scared I could screw things up more.
I ran sfc /scannow and it completed successfully with the message "Windows Resource Protection did not find any integrity violations." So, that confirms that the system files being used are OK.
NOTE: The MIDI activity icon, as I reported yesterday, stays on after attempting to run Sonar - That's new behavior. I can't see anything in Task Manager with anything that's using MIDI.
When I try running Sonar again after these various fix attempts, I usually need to use the Task Manager to close the Process.
Cactus, I saw that thread yeseterday about the X3 Demo installation updating various Cakewalk plugins. Scared me - but - there ya go.
Craig - When I've done anything, uninstalling, reinstalling etc - I've always turned Avast off, and run things as Admin. I guess I do need to get on the phone and see if a Support person can talk me through a fix. I don't have much faith now of anything helping, but - guess I should give that a try.
Meanwhile, looks like I'll be working in X1. Oh joy. If I can't stand it, then I'll try Sonar 8. There's no change with any of the old versions, they're all still working fine.
Enough of trying to fix this for now - Have projects to finish!
THANK YOU ALL - If there's anything in this update post that gives any of you an idea, natch I'd like to hear it.
Randy
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Michael_uk
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 2:30 PM
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rbowser ..... Would love to just use the restore point from before the demo install. Ran that - Restore point failed. Hello Randy my friend, I'm sorry to read of the problems there. For my computer and many other people I know, 'System Restore' often needs to be run in SAFE MODE. Have you tried this.? I think you will find this will work. Like you, unless I run it in 'Safe Mode', my 'System Restore' nearly always reports a fail but it never fails in 'Safe Mode'. If you do have a good system restore point for before the demo install then this might do the job. I'm a bit cautious on this though because you have tried a few things that might possibly have put a spanner in the works for your restore point .. I don't know .. it's just a cautionary. I have also sent you a PM in our other forums. I really do hope this helps Randy. Good luck my friend. Michael
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 3:10 PM
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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rbowser
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 8:07 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Kylotan February 08, 14 6:39 PM
THANK YOU everyone for your concern, advice, and links - ALL IS WELL! - Michael_uk's advice did the trick - I did System Restore in Safe Mode, and when the smoke cleared, my computer was back to before the Sonar X3 demo was installed. Sonar 8.5 opens and works perfectly, I'm working away on my current project - and I am SOOoooOOOoooo relieved. The only odd thing - After doing the restore in Safe Mode, I still had the same message that system recovery wasn't successful and no files had been changed. But that's totally wrong - the error message is in error! Not only does 8.5 work, but the 64 bit installation is complete again - and the C++ 2012 files I installed this morning are gone - as are the updates I did to the others yesterday. That all proves the restore was successful. AND, the huge list of 70+ Windows update files which I installed yesterday are no longer installed - I had let them pile up, being advised by a techie type to not trust all those automatic updates. I wonder what the advice of you computer savvy people is--should I go ahead and install all those again? All's well that ends well -I haven't been through trauma like that in a long time! - So, I did miss out on the good X3 sale - but at this point, I don't care in the least. I got back me Sonar and I'm happy.
Randy
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Re: X3 Demo killed my 8.5
February 01, 14 8:25 PM
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Amen!!! I have been watching this unfold and now I am so happy for you! Thanks to Michael_uk :)
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