X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works

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2014/02/15 01:14:47 (permalink)

X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works

I have been having issues with VSTs producing sound. My setup was working then stopped. I reinstalled Sonar X3 Producer up to X3d. I have a midi track. I insert TTS-1 and assign midi output to it. Works fine. I insert SI-Drumkit, click on the drums and get sound. I assign midi track output to the SI-Drumkit and get no sound. Open the SI-drumkit properties and no longer get sound when I click on the drums. My system was working great until a couple weeks ago. No changes now it doesn't work. (And Lost Session Drummer 3 in the reinstall)
 
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    Anderton
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:01:13 (permalink)
    Not sure what inspired the re-install, but that should be done only as a last resort as some problems are transitory. For example I had a problem once with Sonar where restarting the computer didn't solve it, so I figured there was a problem with the software. As luck would have it, I had to leave and postpone dealing with whatever the problem was, and it turned out that turning off power to the computer completely and turning it back on again later solved the problem. It was some computer issue that was affecting Sonar.
     
    That said, is it ALL VSTs that don't work, or only SI Drums?

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:10:48 (permalink)
    Well it started with losing Session Drummer 3 which is what I usually use. First it was happening with that. Dimension Pro does not work either. Addictive Drums does work. It just seems to be that the MIDI won't output to SI and DP. I have not tried other synths yet. As I don't really use other ones.
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:17:03 (permalink)
    I have no idea how MIDI data can decide to feed one instrument but not another. Is this during playback of MIDI data, when trying to trigger from a MIDI controller, or both? The MIDI track feeding the instrument needs to have the focus. Perhaps you've clicked somewhere else and it has lost focus?

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:22:29 (permalink)
    It works when triggering from controller when I first insert synth. Then when I play MIDI data, no sound and then controller no longer works.
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:24:14 (permalink)
    Sounds like the MIDI track might be sending controller 7 = 0 and turning off the volume. Try this: just before the first MIDI note in the track occurs, enter a controller 7 value of 127 and see what happens.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/15 12:50:05 (permalink)
    How do I enter the controller value?
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 09:16:59 (permalink)
    Ok, so now I'm really frustrated. I created a brand new file based on the normal template. I inserted the DP 1.5 Synth with a MIDI source track and a synth track. When I hit the keys on my controller I see the audio meters for the midi track show activity. But no sound, and nothing on the synth track audio meter. I have tried the SI Bass, SI Drums, DP 1.5, and Addictive Drums, and TTS-1 ... AD and TTS-1 works. Nothing else!!! Please help what is wrong here?
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 09:25:21 (permalink)
    Ok, I just recreated a file from the normal template. I inserted the DP 1.5 instrument with just a Simple Instrument track. Then inserted a MIDI track manually. This all seems to work. So my original problem seems to have something to do with the midi sequences that I'm using. I started with a midi sequence and removed all events except notes. And still get no sound from it. Any ideas?
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 09:49:54 (permalink)
    jdenio
    How do I enter the controller value?




    There are a couple ways to do this. Probably the easiest is to open the strip at the bottom of piano roll view. Select controller 7. Use the pencil tool and click a little past the beginning at the highest possible level in the strip. You can also use the event list and enter a controller 7 value there.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 10:05:49 (permalink)
    jdenio
    I started with a midi sequence and removed all events except notes. And still get no sound from it. Any ideas?



    Wrong Midi Channel ?
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 10:10:25 (permalink)
    Did you inadvertently install the 32 bit version? 

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 10:14:16 (permalink)
    Nope to the midi channel, and Nope to the 32bit version
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 10:29:21 (permalink)
    If the synths work with MIDI files supplied by Cakewalk (or when played interactively) and not from third party MIDI files, the problem is the third party MIDI files. A typical symptom of a file with non-note instructions is all the sfz engine synths (DimPro, Rapture, SI series) fail but the other synths work fine. Once the file is played and the sfz engine synth encounters the offending instructions, the sfz engine shuts down. Even after the instructions are removed, the only way to get the synth to play is restart the project. Editing the data from the files in the Event view before playing should resolve the problem. Another way to filter the files, without editing them, is the MIDI Event Filter MFX on each MIDI track. This solution would not work with instrument tracks.
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 10:51:12 (permalink)
    One more thing about controller 7 - a common scenario is a MIDI file that uses controller 7 to fade the level down to 0 at the end of a song. The synth is left in that state until a new controller 7 value comes along to change it. That's why you want to have an initialization at the start of the file. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happening in your case, but it's easy enough to check out and find out if that's the issue.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 13:11:33 (permalink)
    I just had another quirky relative situation happen. I opened an old project that has 4 instances of the DP 1.5 Synth inserted. Some of the instruments, i.e. Bass and Piano are working but not my string and horn sections. This did work when I created the project... now 2 softsynths work and 2 do not... all of them are DP 1.5 synths. BAZAAR!!!
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 18:58:29 (permalink)
    It's not a matter of midi files supplied by cakewalk and third party files. It's files that I created, that worked, now do not.
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 21:43:08 (permalink)
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    It's not a matter of midi files supplied by cakewalk and third party files. It's files that I created, that worked, now do not.



    Was record EVER turned on between the time you created the sequences and you started having these problems? If so, and you turned down the volume while it was recording, you can be missing that controller 7 maximum level initialization.
     
    Do you know how the event list works? That could give some very valuable clues.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 21:57:50 (permalink)
    "Was record EVER turned on between the time you created the sequences and you started having these problems? If so, and you turned down the volume while it was recording, you can be missing that controller 7 maximum level initialization."
     
    No, these are files that were complete, that I had mixed down and created finish product. They worked... now they don't. 
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/18 23:08:48 (permalink)
    Then you have to figure out what changed between when they worked and when they didn't work. We really don't have much info to go on, except that you re-installed Sonar for some reason thinking that would solve the problem. But the problem may not have been Sonar. You may think you haven't made any changes to your system, but there could have been a Windows update, a piece of spyware, an automatic graphics card update...who knows.
     
    I don't think anyone else has experienced this issue, so it's extremely likely it's something a) involving your system, and b) not involving Sonar, because re-installing it didn't help and at one point it worked as expected. We didn't know anything about your system.
     
    Just to humor me, could you try inserting a controller 7 value close to the beginning of the sequence on any channels that have instruments? At this point I doubt it will make a difference, but a couple minutes could at least eliminate that option.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/19 00:47:52 (permalink)
    I've had it happen,  The controllers, yes, problem  that I have found is that Sonars Event list does not always show everything. I'm not sure why, one thing I was going to check was if this is MID type 0 or type 1 issue. 
    So what I do is open the midi file in another midi editing program, There are lots of free ware basic midi sequencers or even Reaper. I now use CubaseLE. 
    I will always then see the event that did not show in Sonar and so I delete it. 
     
    Other things I'll do. 
     
    Split the midi track to the place just before the first note in the track and delete the empty part ahead of this. This works a lot of times for hidden PG info.
    Sometimes you can open the GUI for the offending synth, start the transport, and observe the volume control or what ever, and you'll see that there truly is something hiding on you. . I've had efx sends in TTS-1 coming back on after I shut them down. Once again, nothing shows in the event list. 
    This is also working with my own older MIDI files from my Atari days. 
    I always inserted my PG and CC7 etc within the first count in measure. They just plain don't show in Sonar. But they are there because I know my GR50 patches, 92 was my bass and guess what the TTS-1 plays. 

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/20 07:52:08 (permalink)
    Another classic problem is with the pitch bend sensitivity.... I had this problem with 3rd party midi files using DP and S1 bass.... I deleted all the pitch bend sensitivity events, saved the project, re-opened X2 and the problem went away. I do this automatically with new 3rd party midi files now
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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/20 08:26:28 (permalink)
    MarkieMark
    Another classic problem is with the pitch bend sensitivity.... I had this problem with 3rd party midi files using DP and S1 bass.... I deleted all the pitch bend sensitivity events, saved the project, re-opened X2 and the problem went away. I do this automatically with new 3rd party midi files now




    Pitch bend sensivity is set at the instrument itself. In my esperience most MIDI file assume this will be set at + and - two semitones, but that's not always the case.

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    Re: X3 Producer - No sound from VST but TTS-1 DXi Synth Works 2014/02/20 08:29:08 (permalink)
    Agreed Anderton, but I have seen pitch sensitivity values of something like 5000 set in some midi files, and it totally screws some soft synths up.....
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