sethmopod
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X3 Starts Very Slowly
When I start Sonar X3 Producer, it takes an age for it to get going (50 seconds on a stopwatch). I just upgraded to an SSD for my OS and hoped that would make a difference. Computer boot time is down to almost instant, but X3 still takes forever. VST scan options are set to manual, and I've noticed that since putting in the SSD, there is almost no hard drive noise at all during Sonar startup. That indicates to me that the program is barely - if at all - accessing my data hard drive. Any suggestions on how to get a faster program start time? A couple of minutes of wait time every time there's a crash or issue is a real drag.
Thanks, Seth
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 18:41:50
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Starting with or without a project? If with a project simply make it empty  . If you are running any antivirus exclude some Sonar directories and Sonar process from realtime scan. Install X3E patch. Check this: https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013315/SONAR-X3-Full-VST-Rescan-Recommended-for-Upgraders Update your audio interface and drivers, same for your display. Consider chipset and BIOS updates. And you haven't given us your full PC specs. If your machine is crashing we need far more detail about steps to repro, and the error message (check windows event viewer).
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Keni
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 19:20:06
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I don't know if this is related, but since installing Ipswich, seeing something unusual...
I have the start screen disabled as well as check for updates...
When I first open Sonar, it takes quite a while (a minute or two) before I can select anything to open. I continually get the not responding message.
It does finally load, but it's taking a lot longer than previously...
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 19:23:09
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 21:07:21
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Keni (not OP) try disabling arm record during playback in preferences... There an issue right now... Otherwise another thread.. Cheers..
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sethmopod
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 21:09:13
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I'm using RME Fireface 800, and it is up to date as of the last driver version before the Windows 10 drivers (I'm on Windows 7 64 bit still). BIOS and chipset are all up to date. When I first open Sonar, there is no project loaded. I'm on X3e. I am not running real-time virus scan. Other specs: AMD A-8 GPU - 2.9 GHz 8 GB RAM Sonar doesn't crash all that often, but it definitely does sometimes. It's been that way as long as I can remember. I looked around for options to disable the start screen, but couldn't find it. Any help on that?
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 21:13:01
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If you are on in X3E your issue is not the start screen (this is a new Platinum issue). So forget that. Again check your event viewer for the error message. We need more info about your crash. What exactly happens, what the error message is etc. Report back when it next happens.. Screenshots would be good as well... Ta.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/08 21:23:21
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/08 21:19:57
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sethmopod I'm using RME Fireface 800, and it is up to date as of the last driver version before the Windows 10 drivers (I'm on Windows 7 64 bit still). BI
Confused by this, the latest for win7 is 3.115, you also need the latest firmware for it : http://www.rme-audio.de/e...ds/driver/fireface.phpMake sure you are running the ASIO driver, if you have ASIO4ALL installed remove it.. Ta.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/08 21:30:37
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Keni
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/09 00:54:48
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John He's on X3, Keni.
Thanks John... Leave it to me to miss the obvious! ;-) Sorry...
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Keni
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/09 00:56:13
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Doktor Avalanche Keni (not OP) try disabling arm record during playback in preferences... There an issue right now... Otherwise another thread.. Cheers..
Thanks Dok... I'll give it a try... ...now back to the thread already in progress!
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sethmopod
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/09 23:21:29
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I now have the latest RME drivers. Hasn't affected Sonar, but they made some real improvements since the last time I had checked. It has not affected Sonar start-up time. Using ASIO drivers. No ASIO4ALL. Looked at the event viewer and found nothing about Sonar. It hasn't crashed on me in a while. It's that as long as I've ever used it - over a decade - every so often something about it fouls up and you have to restart it. I've timed the startup - consistently 51 seconds. It seems as if it's waiting for something. Is anyone having this with X3?
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/09 23:24:12
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You upgraded your firmware as well I hope? This is required...
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/10/09 23:33:57
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sethmopod
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/09 23:51:42
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Firmware is the latest version.
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/10 00:33:13
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Do you have many plug-ins installed? Do you have other Sonar versions installed? Is your CPU (1 core of it) constantly working while Sonar is loading?
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sethmopod
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/10 10:31:55
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I do have a lot of plugins installed - a lot more than I use, especially since many of them have "stereo" and "mono" implementations and I only use the "stereo" versions I still have X2 & X1 installed. I haven't used either of them in a pretty long time. There is one core that spikes and works the whole time during loading. Thank you for these suggestions. I'll work on those and report back.
Seth
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/10 12:37:34
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Yeah, but it is just my thoughts, don't know if it will really help.
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Re: X3 Starts Very Slowly
2015/10/11 01:37:29
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If you happen to have your Windows Default Audio Device set to also access your ASIO drivers of your audio interface, I wonder if that could slow Sonar down while it waits for access to the drivers. I never have anything but my music applications like Sonar pointing to the ASIO drivers of my audio interface. My Windows default audio device is currently set to the HDMI output going to one of my 2 HDMI TV's, so there is never any conflict. Bob Bone
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