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X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
I think the track/bus strip colors in the Track View would look more apparent and appealing if the grey coating over them was removed. [BEFORE] This is, as you know, how they currently look......  [AFTER] But I think they should look like this...  I think the track number section should still be gray-coated or the numbers on bright background colors will be very difficult to read. It's strange that I don't mind the gray coating in the Console View. But I really don't like it on the TV track/bus strips. What do you think? Too bright?
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 09:47:08
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that would make my eyes bleed..lol
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 10:19:36
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Personally, I didn't think the color-coding shouldn't have been a priority at all, but people have been begging for it. I do believe the gray-ish look of the colors is form-fitted to the interface's classic design, hopefully departing from the age-old Electronica look or any cartoony colors. Personally, I still think X1 Light was the best color scheme. Cakewalk was too swift to retire that look, unfortunately. If I had my way, I'd want to swap out the default colors provided here and import the colors used in X1 Light's color scheme. Basic Red, Blue, Yellow, Green, Brown, Purple are so pedestrian. Maybe an option to tailor the brightness or hue of the default palette, or the ability to import a color-scheme, rather than having to customize the color for every color-code selection on each channel.
And although I do like the fact that the color-coding finds its way into the track wavform, I do agree with another user that it would be nice to change that to color-coding the backgrounds of each waveform vs. the waveform itself. I still find the current X2/X3 interface for waveforms harder on my eyes than X1.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 10:20:10
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As you click the header to set the track color, the default color (greyed out ones) choice box appears.
To use other brighter colors you have to dig deeper into 'other colors'.
I would like to be able to make my own, default color choices, in that initial color, choice box 'pallet'.
So if I wanted all bright colors from the secondary panel of 'other colors' instead of default 'greyed out' colors,
I could replace the 'greyed out' ones.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 10:40:38
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I don't care for the 'grayish' effect either. I ended up setting my 'Theme' to dark and then turned the track strip color to off (not at my DAW right now but it is somewhere in Preferences, and not hard to find). For me this gives me all the color I need...or want. I'd like to be able to do the same thing in Console View but unfortunately apparently I am stuck with Battleship Gray...there's always Duckbar.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 10:58:55
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I like it! The inspiration for the Sonar X series color scheme seems to have been a World War II battleship, and I heartily approve of attempts to rectify that..
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:01:11
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As you click the header to set the track color, the default color (greyed out ones) choice box appears.
To use other brighter colors you have to dig deeper into 'other colors'.
I would like to be able to make my own, default color choices, in that initial color, choice box 'pallet'.
So if I wanted all bright colors from the secondary panel of 'other colors' instead of default 'greyed out' colors,
I could replace the 'greyed out' ones.
I know, I've been messing around those 'other colors' to make the strips brighter, but the problem is, if you do that the colors of note events in the Piano Roll View become too bright.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:11:32
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I like it as it is which proves everybody is different and customization of everything is the key. Not a high priority on my list however.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:18:24
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Personally, I didn't think the color-coding shouldn't have been a priority at all, but people have been begging for it.
Actually, same here. I didn't particularly want the color-codable strips. What I was hoping for was the ability to give a desired color to each track name text background color (both in TV and CV). Since this will probably never happen, I've decided to color-code the strips. I first chose the option to color-code the left-most part only, but then I found it somewhat difficult to identify which tracks are what, so I decided to color-code the whole strips, and then....grayish.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:18:59
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I'll add this: I still want to send a note to Steinberg and tell them, in regard to Cubase's current look: "1990 called and wants their teal green meters back."
One of the things that sold me on X1 was the GUI color-scheme.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:24:49
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I like it!
Thanks. We're probably in the minority? But I must say, the rectified colors in the pic are a little bit too bright. 
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:35:46
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I am not privy to the code under the hood, but I suspect that the methodology that color is achieved is why the colors are so subdued. They basically hacked color into the track and bus views instead of doing a time consuming and potentially bug ridden coding of the TV from the ground up. The original grey color scheme was likely created for processing efficiency to use as few images as possible. I'm guessing color was achieved through some form of overlay system that does not involve extra images and thus not affecting performance. A method like this is unlikely to produce heavily saturated colors because only so much opacity can be used. I doubt this changes while the base X series code is the same. It's not that the bakers are not capable. It's just a lot harder to change something and still have kt work the same than to build it that way to being with. It's low priority for me too. I can see a difference between tracks and that is good enough for me.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 11:37:15
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I do notice in the marketing and blog material, the colors are definitely more saturated :)
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 12:26:12
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I am not privy to the code under the hood, but I suspect that the methodology that color is achieved is why the colors are so subdued. They basically hacked color into the track and bus views instead of doing a time consuming and potentially bug ridden coding of the TV from the ground up. The original grey color scheme was likely created for processing efficiency to use as few images as possible. I'm guessing color was achieved through some form of overlay system that does not involve extra images and thus not affecting performance. A method like this is unlikely to produce heavily saturated colors because only so much opacity can be used. I doubt this changes while the base X series code is the same. It's not that the bakers are not capable. It's just a lot harder to change something and still have kt work the same than to build it that way to being with. It's low priority for me too. I can see a difference between tracks and that is good enough for me.
Surely it's easier than that. If all you need to do for HTML, for example, to change a color is simply change a 6-digit Hex code, I would imagine this is merely a change in a color code and then subtracting down to allow more gray in.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 12:46:16
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If the built in custom colors don't work for you there's always Duckbar. It still does things that Sonar doesn't do. Panup is the man.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 12:54:41
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brconflictSurely it's easier than that. If all you need to do for HTML, for example, to change a color is simply change a 6-digit Hex code, I would imagine this is merely a change in a color code and then subtracting down to allow more gray in. It would be that easy IF the interface was simply empty boxes or vector images. it is not. It is composed of bitmapped images that would probably look even worse if you tried to simply apply color codes to them. There is no code in HTML or any coding language I can think of that will easily change the color of bitmapped images. Again, coding it from the ground up they could make it so that the areas they wished to color were composed of elements more receptive to color changes, but not as currently configured.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 13:07:09
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Could Cakewalk please, in the next release, provide us with exactly the same colors that were on the console at Abbey Road in 1965? I know I could make music like that if I just had the right colors.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 13:07:48
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I don't know dub. I think this is why the new GUI "Skylight" was designed. So that changes could be made easily.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 13:09:57
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My Sonar utility (Duckbar) can change any Skylight graphics hue, saturation and lightness. I had no prior experience of image processing but I did this feature in a week.
It's definitely possible and talented Cakewalk programmers should be able to implement it much faster than I did it.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 13:28:27
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I concede I was guessing as to why. I just proposed one theory.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 17:08:48
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Personally I'm very satisfied with the colors as they are. I wouldn't mind if a user could have their' own presets in the color (or can they already? I'll have to look into that too)... and I would like the ability to not have the greying if so desired...
For me, this level of color is already enough to help my difficulty reading the screen quickly and I can think of dozens of things more important (for me) than spending programmer hours on...
If they do, I will enjoy the benefit, but it's not at the top of my priority list either... I wouldn't have said that before they gave us the current coloring ability as it was very hard for me to read the screen... Funny how much less trouble I had reading the "cluttered" screen of 8.5.3...... ;-)
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 19:38:37
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Could Cakewalk please, in the next release, provide us with exactly the same colors that were on the console at Abbey Road in 1965? I know I could make music like that if I just had the right colors.
I think the console turned browner over time, and sadly any colour photos will be in Technicolor. A simulation package will therefore have to be developed to get the exact colour as it was then (does anybody know where the console is now so the current colour may be sampled?). Note John and Paul's dope under the faders, and the ash around the EQ will need to be recreated for extra realism. George Martins school tie could be hung around the VU's for the full effect.....
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 19:41:40
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Also can smellovision please be incorporated into Cakewalk please. I might enjoy the Bob Marley "big fat one" pre-set.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 20:14:27
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I'm going to fly the flag for the X3 colour implementation and say this:
Pre X-series, I never bothered with any colour changes. It always seemed like a Madman's Breakfast thing to me; you can make anything any colour, but there's no real point to it (except of course for people with vision issues who need less or more contrast or whatever). It's more personalisation than anything else.
The X series colour stuff is built around functional purpose - what's routed where - and the UI design around that idea makes it really easy to achieve that purpose. I think it's a great bit of UI design. On the other hand, the poster boy for UI customisation, Reaper, I think has an unhinged design that's bizarrely unrelated to Getting Stuff Done. You can reskin everything, which is great fun if you're a graphic designer, but pretty much irrelevant to the business of recording and mixing.
I can sympathise though, with people perhaps wanting more control over luminosity and so on. It's not something I need, but I can see why someone would.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 22:58:21
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I'm going to fly the flag for the X3 colour implementation and say this:
Pre X-series, I never bothered with any colour changes. It always seemed like a Madman's Breakfast thing to me; you can make anything any colour, but there's no real point to it .....
The X series colour stuff is built around functional purpose - what's routed where - and the UI design around that idea makes it really easy to achieve that purpose. I think it's a great bit of UI design.....
I can sympathise though, with people perhaps wanting more control over luminosity and so on. It's not something I need, but I can see why someone would.
Well said! I agree.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
2013/11/08 22:59:48
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Could Cakewalk please, in the next release, provide us with exactly the same colors that were on the console at Abbey Road in 1965? I know I could make music like that if I just had the right colors.
Ha ! Now this made me chuckle out loud, thanks for that.
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Re: X3: Why do the color-coded strips in TV have to look so......gray-ish?
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