joey90405
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X-3 best interface
hi everyone, i'm about to order X-3, the download and the disks. I need to know if the interface I have that works fine with X-2 will work with the upgrade. what I have is...M-AUDIO MOBLE PRE can anyone get back to me. also, what would be some suggestions for a interface. all I ever need is 2 ins and 2 outs
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/06 11:45:15
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It should work. Most people on here really dig the Focusrite Scarlett series of interfaces. They come in lots of different sizes, eg the 2i2, 2i4 and 2i6 to name a few of the smaller ones.
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Re: X-3 best interface
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/06 16:29:07
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I have a Mobile Pre which worked mostly OK with X2. Occasional audio dropouts was something I never seemed to iron out. So I bought a Mackie Onyx, which was great, until I switched to X3/WIN8 (I was on WIN7), and I had major problems. It just refused to work sometimes and X3 wouldn't even see it. So I followed suit, mostly based upon info from this forum, and got a Scarlet 2i2, which has been almost faultless. I have just purchased a Scarlet 8i6 for some extra inputs. Couldn't be happier. Try your Mobile Pre first if you don't plan on changing from win7. If not, I too highly recommend the Scarlett range. regards Dave.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/06 22:32:12
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Ditto on the Focusrite stuff...they have had their s**t together for awhile. I'm still using a Firewire Saffire Pro 40 that I have had since Windows 2001; before that I had an M-Audio Audiophile USB box that was always flaky. Always been flawless. It's worth moving to an interface that uses ASIO...latency and reliability are much better.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/06 22:43:06
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Quick question for you Scarlett users: is the only significant difference between the 2i4 and the 6i6 the number of inputs, or are the preamps of better quality?
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/06 23:33:37
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sharke Quick question for you Scarlett users: is the only significant difference between the 2i4 and the 6i6 the number of inputs, or are the preamps of better quality?
I think the preamps are the same… and very good. This seems like a commercial for Focusrite, but I also LOVE my Scarlett 2i2.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/07 00:20:20
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rcrees
sharke Quick question for you Scarlett users: is the only significant difference between the 2i4 and the 6i6 the number of inputs, or are the preamps of better quality?
I think the preamps are the same… and very good. This seems like a commercial for Focusrite, but I also LOVE my Scarlett 2i2.
Hmm if they're the same then I might just go for the 2i2. I never record more than 2 things at once....
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/07 08:44:33
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I would think if you are having dropouts and/or crackles and such, that these would be usually due to parameter values for things like ASIO Buffer Size, Driver Mode, Sample Rate, and Record Bit-Depth. So after you get everything up and running, please post your values for all of the above, for Sonar, and for the audio interface, along with the Sonar-reported Latency values. I usually recommend settings of: Audio interface - ASIO Buffer Size of 128, Sample Rate of 48 k, for Sonar: Sample Rate of 48 k, Driver Mode of ASIO, Record Bit-Depth of 24 bits. The above settings are what I recommend as a starting point for recording. For Mixing, I suggest jacking the ASIO Buffer Size up to as high as 1024, which will allow more robust effects like Perfect Space or Boost 11 to have enough room to do what they do. Then, for the rest of time, you will switch ASIO Buffer Size back and forth - low for recording, and high for mixing/mastering. It's just the way it is. Bob Bone
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/07 09:04:42
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If you can go the long dollar, get the Focusrite Forte.... It has the RedNet preamps in it...which are a big step up from the Scarlett Series...
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/07 10:59:33
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+1 for the Focusrite interfaces.......excellent driver/customer service support (a Major factor for me).
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/07 12:57:03
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Uh - your Mobile Pre interface may continue to work just fine. Just make sure your drivers are up to date for it, AND make sure your settings for the interface and for Sonar are appropriate. Here is the link to the drivers currently available for the Mobile Pre: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/MobilePre-Drivers?popup=true&NewLang=en&DocType=1450&q=MOBILE+PRE&spell=1&site=avid_en-us_default%7Cavid_en-us_pressreleases%7Cavid_en-us_default%7Cavid_en-us_pressreleases%7Cmaudio_en-us_default%7Cpinnacle_us_default%7Csibelius_us_default%7Ckbase_en-us_default If you scroll down a bit, you will see the current Windows release, which includes up to Windows 8.1, so that should be just fine. As far as settings, I would suggest as a starting point, for recording in Sonar: Audio interface: Sample Rate of 48 k, ASIO Buffer Size of 128 Sonar: Driver Mode of ASIO, Sample Rate of 48 k, Record Bit-Depth of 24 bits. Please give those a try and note that I suggest those for recording in Sonar. Once you move on to mixing, you will likely need to bump your ASIO Buffer Size up to as high as 1024, to give your mixing plugins enough room to do what they do, for effects such as: Perfect Space and Boost 11 (and others). Tracking/Recording: use low latency, small ASIO Buffer Size Mixing/MasteringL use high latency, large ASIO Buffer Size Good luck, Bob Bone
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 11:12:49
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Hey Bob I just posted those drivers LOL :)
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 11:32:05
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Well, Alex, at least we are on the same page today (don't know if that's good or bad yet, but it's a start) :) Did you see my PM from the other day? Bob Bone
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 18:15:48
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Thanks for reminding me, I had three PM's I forgotten about! Ta...
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 19:45:41
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I have the scarlett 6i6 and I wrote a review explaining why I chose it over the 2i2 or the 2i4. There is some important differences in features for, in my case only $40 more in price than the 2i4. Inputs- front panel 2 are combi for Mike/Line or instrument. ( 2i2,2i4 yes) Inputs -rear panel 2 line bal line ( 2i2 no,2i4 yes) 4 analog balanced outputs ( 2i2 no, 2i4 yes ) SPDIF in/out = your 5/ 6 ( 2i2 ,2i4 no) Real MIDI in/out (2i2 no, 2i4 yes ) 2 Headphone channels ( 2i2 ,2i4 no) Mix control software, ( 2i2 , 2i4 no ) Mix control shines for cue mixes. The 6i6 can have 4 separate headphone mixes, 2 stereo, 2 mono. You can send any track from Sonar to these cue mixes without disrupting your Sonar mix as they will be there own buss you can add to any track. The power of the Mix Control software alone is worth $40 if you need cue mixes. I believe the pre amps will be the same on all models. They are OK for the price. Read my review for comments. I will say most important of all is there was a big performance jump with using the Focusrite drivers over the Tascam's ( ya, no surprise eh! ) I never get the drop outs I would get with the tascam when using certain heavy CPU plug ins now. It was the reason I got fed up one day with the tascam and got in my car and bought the 6i6 , it was pre meditated not impulse but I'm pretty stoked. And talk about solid and portable. It's made out of metal, not plastic. http://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/906141-focusrite-scarlett-6i6.html
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 22:45:21
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Roland quad capture is another one that would meet your needs nicely.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/08 22:54:28
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Did somebody say Roland....? I'm trying to remember .....Roland? Something surpressed is going on... :)
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/09 11:03:39
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The best interface for X3. I'd say Burl, but they are about the best "interface" for any system (if you like transformers). On a more realistic note, the focusrite stuff makes many people happy. The new Tascam USB unit (UH-7000) simply works and sounds superb, but is one of those new "premium" units w/ less channel count. Quality over quanity, like the Focusrite Forté.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 08:12:15
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@cactus John, which Tascam I/O did you have? I was thinking of upgrading my Tascam us1641 to the Scarlett 18i20, but have been trying to "think through" going with the SPL Crimson. I already have a ISA One and modded Presonus MP20, plus the Radial Gold Digger/Cherry Picker, and can't see how I could use those with the SPL, whereas I could with the Scarlett. Michael
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 08:42:36
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It's in my signature ( small print ) and was the same as yours, I still use it on my office/movie/entertainment desktop and if I take my laptop to record a whole band. I think for the money they were a good unit for channel count. It's just the driver performance when mixing and using soft synths and effect is half of what I'm getting now with the same computer,,,, there is a big difference in drivers. It's something people need to be aware of as you won't know until you try something with good drivers what was wrong in the first place. I see Roland mentioned above, That's like the Tascam as far as drivers go,, a low performer. Focusrite seems to put a good effort into customer support and working on improving the drivers so therefore the popularity is growing. They will soon be on par with Lynx and RME.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 08:47:55
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I totally disagree that the new Rolands have poor drivers. The Quad, Octa and Studio are all superb, and even had Win8 drivers out very quickly. Much quicker than foucsrite even.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 08:51:34
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Thanks John. Not enough coffee yet, or I would have seen that! LOL It's funny that you have both, as I started thinking I could upgrade the 1641 to a Scarlett and get the SPL for it's benefits, and swap them around depending what I am doing at the moment. Buying both though, does get a lot closer to an RME I/O......$ wise. Michael
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 08:55:42
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I recall Craig Anderton did a review of the Roland Studio Capture (? or Octa?) where he gave it very high marks for latency, etc. I will try to find that link, as I think I still have it.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/10 11:42:21
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TC Electronic (firewire) and Steinberg (USB) are a couple of interfaces companies that get lost in the Focusrite recommendations around here sometimes. Both are really quite good as well in terms of dollars spent vs value (better than average sound/low latency). Worth a look IMHO. With that said, I wouldn't have any problem buying/using a focusrite if that was best deal at the time.
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/12 14:01:47
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Wouldn't it be nice if Tascam, now that it is connected to Cakewalk...(HINT HINT) updated their drivers for their interfaces, like the us1641 and later models. Seems like a waste, and it also seems like their habit. Michael
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/12 19:53:57
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pentimentosound Wouldn't it be nice if Tascam, now that it is connected to Cakewalk...(HINT HINT) updated their drivers for their interfaces, like the us1641 and later models. Seems like a waste, and it also seems like their habit. Michael
They are probably thinking wouldn't it be nice if you bought a new interface off them :)
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Re: X-3 best interface
2014/07/13 07:10:32
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@ CakeAlexS Exactly, but since they "move on", I am more likely to consider another brand that updates their drivers while I am using it. I've had lots of Tascam (Teac, too) gear over the past 38 years, that I have really appreciated. I would like to continue to use it, too, though that would updating drivers. For me this "disappointment" started with when I had my DA38s(4) and pci822 card. It didn't stop me from buying the us1641, but now I am going to avoid more of it. Michael
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