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X3, boring , bland shades of grey
For all those tons of different colors you can change, how come I can't make the WHOLE program radically different ...like making the entire thing BLACK or BLUE or any combination I want?....That incredibly boring two shades of grey background SUCKS, and there doesn't seem to be a way to change the color of the WHOLE program away from that crappy grey...
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/24 17:32:06
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/24 17:33:27
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/24 18:26:50
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Schafe
Life sure sucks aye.
Life is AWESOME. X3's fundamental colors SUCK. :)
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/24 19:56:32
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I am hoping for a color upgrade on Platinum. I would like to have the choices that I had with 8.5.3.
Life is good though and so is Cakewalk.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/24 20:05:41
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scook
Register and download Duckbar or upgrade to get the new UI themes when they are released.
So there's already a solution now, and another solution is planned for the near future. If you don't like the colors, complaining in here won't download Duckbar for you  . Duckbar does other cool UI tweaks, too.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 07:18:12
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But the new UI themes won't work in X3.
So it's either Duckbar, or upgrade & wait
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 07:36:53
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I personally like it that way. It's a color that wouldn't hurt your eyes even after long time exposure. Also a colour like grey doesn't influence you into liking particular kind of sounds. Colours matters a lot. I don't like working much in studio one 3 coz the color seems to be influencing me in everything from sample selections, patch selections to mixing everything. Eventually everything I try to make in s1 ends up sounding thin, with a lot digital feel. Not a bad option for everyone. Some might like it that way. Someone's I import some of my final mix into studio one and listen to. I get a feeling that I would have never ended up creating the song like that if I was working on it in s1. Its something psychological. You can try if you wish. Any fat kick or a kick with bit boost in 8-10kHz. Will sound ugly while looking at studio one interface. Console emulations sound ugly aswell with higher drive. You will only like thin sounds thin sounds mostly. And you will be more drawn towards synth sounds than, acoustic sounds. Some say it might be the sound engine causing this phenomenon. May be. But I belive it has a lot to do with the the colors and the way the interface makes you feel. One very experienced engineer accepted this while I had a conversation with him. He said he ends up making most of his mixes more bright while working in protools and more dark while in logic. Most people who program orchestral music love working in cubase. This is also a prime reason behind that. Cubase interface has a nice feel for orchestral music. And I love the grey colour of Sonar coz it doesn't seem to influence much at all. It only gives a very balanced feel. Kind of a similar feel you get when you are behind a ssl or neve desk. I can listen to the audio for plainly what they are. Believe me is true. Grey is the colour for audio!!
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 10:59:06
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Register and download Duckbar or upgrade to get the new UI themes when they are released.
So there's already a solution now, and another solution is planned for the near future. If you don't like the colors, complaining in here won't download Duckbar for you . Duckbar does other cool UI tweaks, too.
What Steve Cook and Craig said! 
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 11:06:18
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/04/25 11:30:40
Grey is good for you, like broccoli.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 11:09:24
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I gotta tell you. I have been working with a number of DAWs lately and sometimes I'm tempted to migrate a bit of my work on them (I need a flexible score editor, dammit! ). But I keep coming back to Sonar because I can't stand the colour schemes of any of them. Also, it sounds better. But that's another story. You know a lot of DAWs look like they've been designed by someone with a Star Trek: the next generation fetish. It's also true that maybe I'm old school and you need that visual feedback to create dance music. Example: Cubase, not to name names. Terrific program with a fantastic audio engine and great workflow. I can't look at the damned thing for more than 30 minutes without wanting to switch it off. The colour gradients are an eyesore and give the screen a bit of a Fischer - Price vibe. Again maybe it's me. Probably I need more neutral looking environments to create my stuff; I prefer to use organic sounds augmented by the sporadic textural synth so take that in consideration. I can tell what bothers me about the Sonar GUI as well (it's fair to move critiques to all the players in the game). The menus still have that Win 95 look to them and the same you can say for the quantize window and the such. I find it spoils the awesome high class polished vibe of Skylight. Aside from that the GUI is one of the reasons why I prefer Sonar over other products.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 11:18:39
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I ask for only one thing regarding colors. Please make the contrast between the background color and the writing (text) greater regardless of which color scheme is used! PLEASE How hard can that be?
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:10:34
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I gotta tell you.
I have been working with a number of DAWs lately and sometimes I'm tempted to migrate a bit of my work on them (I need a flexible score editor, dammit! ). But I keep coming back to Sonar because I can't stand the colour schemes of any of them. Also, it sounds better. But that's another story.
I gotta tell you its a pain really arguing with friends in college. I do try to make them understand but they are very intellectual people to only follow the industry standard, blindfolded nonsense. I give up sometimes and try to be like that. Its safer to follow what everyone follows ha ha. I try a lot to work on all those DAW's, I cant stand it, I simply can't. Everything works awesome once I am into Sonar. Infact I was kind of using them before I started using Sonar. But Sonar has this magic abt its interface or sound engine. Yes amazing features and workflow too. But its the sound engine and interface that make its impossible to move away. It feels like back home. Recently tried s1. Was tempted really I gotta say its an awesome program. I was madly in love with it for a week. Although it doesn't do all the stuffs sonar do, it certainly does many things better. Nice interface as well. What ever I couldn't do anything good with it. May be its the audio engine of s1 that doesn't go well with me. imo Sonar and Cubase has the best audio engines. Just moving the final mix into some other daw's ruins it. But that's an entirely vast and different topic let's not move away from OP.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:23:02
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:23:09
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I gotta tell you.
I have been working with a number of DAWs lately and sometimes I'm tempted to migrate a bit of my work on them (I need a flexible score editor, dammit! ). But I keep coming back to Sonar because I can't stand the colour schemes of any of them. Also, it sounds better. But that's another story.
You know a lot of DAWs look like they've been designed by someone with a Star Trek: the next generation fetish.
It's also true that maybe I'm old school and you need that visual feedback to create dance music.
Example: Cubase, not to name names. Terrific program with a fantastic audio engine and great workflow. I can't look at the damned thing for more than 30 minutes without wanting to switch it off. The colour gradients are an eyesore and give the screen a bit of a Fischer - Price vibe. Again maybe it's me. Probably I need more neutral looking environments to create my stuff; I prefer to use organic sounds augmented by the sporadic textural synth so take that in consideration.
I can tell what bothers me about the Sonar GUI as well (it's fair to move critiques to all the players in the game).
The menus still have that Win 95 look to them and the same you can say for the quantize window and the such.
I find it spoils the awesome high class polished vibe of Skylight. Aside from that the GUI is one of the reasons why I prefer Sonar over other products.
Call me a fool, but cakewalk just makes sense to me. The other Daws are too strange to compose on, esp Pro Tools. I've been trying to migrate to Pro Tools, and some of the things are so counterinituitive.Either that or YOU JUST CAN"T GET THERE FROM HERE. (If you know what I mean.).
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:38:12
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As for plainly the interface, its a matter of personal preference, where would you like to sit and mix(do not get into the technical details just think of the place you would like to sit) here  or here  I will go with the second one.. Unless I am remixing a club song.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:43:10
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I can tell what bothers me about the Sonar GUI as well (it's fair to move critiques to all the players in the game).
The menus still have that Win 95 look to them and the same you can say for the quantize window and the such.
I find it spoils the awesome high class polished vibe of Skylight. Aside from that the GUI is one of the reasons why I prefer Sonar over other products.
Yes totally. But I can adjust to that. There are many things abt the interface that might need tweaking. The grid lines in track view really bothers me, but as long as they don't spoil it from this neutral friendly environment I am fine. When every corner of the screen tries to capture your attention with some garbing interface. It's only a distraction to your inspiration and work friendliness. Remember how logic which was much better and friendly in v9 got ruined in X.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 14:53:58
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sonarman1
As for plainly the interface, its a matter of personal preference, where would you like to sit and mix(do not get into the technical details just think of the place you would like to sit)
here
or here
I will go with the second one.. Unless I am remixing a club song.
That's actually an interesting comparison! I would also prefer the second one but that Space Shuttle in the first pic is cooool...
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 15:03:27
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HA HA have both. As for Sonar it is the combination of this audio friendly interface and other complete features and workflow. Makes it the best daw to go for.
post edited by sonarman1 - 2016/04/25 15:25:59
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 15:10:58
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I ask for only one thing regarding colors. Please make the contrast between the background color and the writing (text) greater regardless of which color scheme is used! PLEASE How hard can that be?
Meanwhile, consider bumping up contrast and/or brightness on your monitor.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 15:36:32
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Lynn
I ask for only one thing regarding colors. Please make the contrast between the background color and the writing (text) greater regardless of which color scheme is used! PLEASE How hard can that be?
Meanwhile, consider bumping up contrast and/or brightness on your monitor.
And it's also worth trying to adjust the Gamma Settings of your graphic card driver. With every monitor I used in the past the default setting of 1.0 Gamma was always too bright for my taste. Reducing Gamma on all channels to 0.85 or 0.80 helped a lot.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/25 20:09:42
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2016/04/26 03:20:05
I am a big supporter in a color customizing changing from the battleship grey to something more customizable.
BUT...with that being said, colors are a very small part of what the software is used for, the color customizing in preferences is very in-depth. you can change a lot of things if you take the time to get in to it.
but Sonar is not photoshop, its not a graphics editor, its meant to do a few things and do them well. Record music, Use Synths, Plug ins, Amp sims, exc.
there are options out there like Duck bar but what I found is the more I get in to customizing (changing all my colors),
i get distracted and further away from the thing I sat down to do in the first place.
Make Music.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 06:44:23
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sonarman1
As for plainly the interface, its a matter of personal preference, where would you like to sit and mix(do not get into the technical details just think of the place you would like to sit)
here
or here
I will go with the second one.. Unless I am remixing a club song.
I wonder if the day will come when the interface/graphics look just like those pics..like a photo, that would be pretty cool I think...The ability to customize the look to where it actually looks like a real photo..I've noticed plugpins have gotten real snazzy almost to the point of photo realism for some...that is cool!
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 06:57:46
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As cool as that is, I kind of hope it goes the other way and moves away from old school realism (by which I refer more to the second photo than the first!) As digital computer based audio continues to develop capabilities that analogue equipment didn't have, we could move away from emulating old technology and think only of functionality, developing entirely new interfaces.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 07:24:03
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I actually like both consoles too, but agree that things should progress beyond the console. Is home studio work, like old rock n rollers, predominately made up of the older generations who like things the good 'ol way ?? Just asking.
I actually really like the layout, and colour, of Tracktion. It's come a long way in recent years and certainly taken off in it's own direction. Sonar is unique too, but Skylight is getting along in age.
But honestly, when I'm working, couldn't really care what it looks like as long as I can find my way around easily and it does what I need it to do. That matters most. And Sonar, for me, wins on that score.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 07:49:15
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ye MacFurse
I actually like both consoles too, but agree that things should progress beyond the console. Is home studio work, like old rock n rollers, predominately made up of the older generations who like things the good 'ol way ?? Just asking.
I actually really like the layout, and colour, of Tracktion. It's come a long way in recent years and certainly taken off in it's own direction. Sonar is unique too, but Skylight is getting along in age.
But honestly, when I'm working, couldn't really care what it looks like as long as I can find my way around easily and it does what I need it to do. That matters most. And Sonar, for me, wins on that score.
yea, ultimately it IS about the sound/useability.....,but, after staring at it for hours daily writing/recording/learining...the look matters to me....maybe some new paradigm would be in order too....it doesn't necessarily have to mimic real hardware....if it was simplified but with a high res, 3d look..yea, that might be cool...what that paradigm is though, I don't know
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 08:12:21
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I personally like it that way. It's a color that wouldn't hurt your eyes even after long time exposure. Also a colour like grey doesn't influence you into liking particular kind of sounds. Colours matters a lot.
I agree, but I think there are people who want a color that is more suitable for a particular kind of sounds/music they make. For example, heavy metal composers probably desperately need black. trtzbass
Example: Cubase, not to name names. Terrific program with a fantastic audio engine and great workflow. I can't look at the damned thing for more than 30 minutes without wanting to switch it off. The colour gradients are an eyesore and give the screen a bit of a Fischer - Price vibe.
In my case, it's the look of their mixer view rather than the color gradients that discourages me from trying the software. It just looks so childish and unprofessional... trtzbass
I can tell what bothers me about the Sonar GUI as well (it's fair to move critiques to all the players in the game).
The menus still have that Win 95 look to them and the same you can say for the quantize window and the such.
I find it spoils the awesome high class polished vibe of Skylight.
Yes, it's terrible especially when you use the Windows Classic theme (I'm on Win7, and use a custom theme created from the Classic theme just because I HATE the fat title bars in the new themes).
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 08:13:02
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The recent versions of Cubase are really designed for star trek  . I had demo'd them out of curiosity, everything's clean, too clean yet for some reason i couldn't bear working in that interface. Must have inspired Hanz Zimmer in creating interstellar though.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 08:32:52
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I agree, but I think there are people who want a color that is more suitable for a particular kind of sounds/music they make. For example, heavy metal composers probably desperately need black.
Yes agreed. Take the first picture I posted Wouldn't it be bang on to sit there and do a remix or dub-step or what ever something that evokes a night life experience. Its something indeed! On the other hand, I think sonar's interface gives a neutral balanced feel. Plus the Dark, Bright, mono colour templates in colour tab in preferences window really helps. Also I believe while looking at the colour like grey we perceive the sounds for what they are, while the influence of some fancy colours does change the way our brain perceives the audio. Yes! precisely they colour our perception. It seems.. A grey or some something like that is like having a colour that helps our brain for flat perception.
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Re: X3, boring , bland shades of grey
2016/04/29 08:52:56
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On the other hand, I think sonar's interface gives a neutral balanced feel. Plus the Dark, Bright, mono colour templates in colour tab in preferences window really helps. Also I believe while looking at the colour like grey we perceive the sounds for what they are, while the influence of some fancy colours does change the way our brain perceives the audio. Yes! precisely they colour our perception. It seems.. A grey or some something like that is like having a colour that helps our brain for flat perception.
Yes, I totally agree. I hope the current GUI will be either the default or one of available themes in the upcoming UI update. A small minority of Studio One users really liked the look of S1 version 2 (although I always found it dull, boring and depressing), but they lost it in version 3.
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