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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/12 23:54:07
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with regard to reason.. sadly , no vst .. and YEP thats a MASSIVE (pun intended :) ) deal breaker.. I use it , but I'd prefer it to be a rack rather than a DAW tbh. it's something I've used for years, but I'd rather another DAW for mixing. (e.g. fabfilter fx etc :D )
Yeah, I really like Reason, but I think of it more as a plug in with muscles than an actual DAW. A setup with Reason coming into a more generalised DAW via rewire is a fairly mighty setup. On its own, not so much.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 03:27:03
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Exactly, these polls do not determine the "best" daw at all. What ever "best" means... FL has the lead now with 25%...and Logic has 4%. Come on... Jim Roseberry
FWIW, The reader demographic will determines who "wins".
ie: FL Studio scores big on many of these online polls... but (IMO) it's not a traditional DAW application.
I'm not sure it means a whole lot... 
X3 (for the most part) has been a well-received release.
Here's to the bakers on a job well done!
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 09:07:09
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Exactly, these polls do not determine the "best" daw at all. What ever "best" means...
FL has the lead now with 25%...and Logic has 4%. Come on...
Jim Roseberry
FWIW, The reader demographic will determines who "wins".
ie: FL Studio scores big on many of these online polls... but (IMO) it's not a traditional DAW application.
I'm not sure it means a whole lot...
X3 (for the most part) has been a well-received release.
Here's to the bakers on a job well done!
I think the best DAW is a matter of opinion and people select it on what works best for them. Logic is a great DAW. I happen to like Sonar the best, but that is based on my needs and my opinion. These polls for the most part are opinion based and don't really reflect the best DAW, but these polls are a great marketing tool and people do look at those polls when considering their options for their first DAW purchase. I also agree that FL Studio is not a traditional DAW application. but being on a poll like this causes people to consider this application where they otherwise would not. This marketing approach would be the incentive for Sonar to score higher in the poll.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 10:04:19
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 14:53:21
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far from the days of sonar 7 in the bedroom with a broken mic. its out the box power now, much better workflow and, at last more stable
I voted =1
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 15:13:16
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I voted but noticed it really was just being used as a means to increase their subscriber base. Means nothing really but nice to see Cake (always underrated) ahead in something (relevant or not).
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/13 15:21:49
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I voted but always find these kinds of polls somewhat unfair. I know plenty of people who use multiple programs. Plenty of people make "beats" in FL studio and export them to other programs for mixing. In fact, despite the fact that it can function as a full fledged DAW, in my experience, it seems more people use it as a sampling drum machine on steroids than as a DAW.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/14 18:19:18
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Sonar is still in the lead, but by less than 10 votes.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/14 18:38:43
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To those that are pointing out Pro Tools being so far down in the popularity contest, I think you need to understand the demographics. I know a lot of Pro Tools users, and not one of them would take a moment out of their day to respond to a poll like this. Just sayin ...
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/14 19:38:47
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So as I understand it, if Sonar wins we're not cool anymore? Pro Tools users are too cool to vote so they lose the contest but win the coolness award. :$
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 05:43:07
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So as I understand it, if Sonar wins we're not cool anymore? Pro Tools users are too cool to vote so they lose the contest but win the coolness award. :$
no, its just that getting your friends to vote up your girlfriend for prom queen was never cool, and when she won anyone with any real knowledge of the facts knew it was BS, and it actually worked against her behind the scenes Any serious music professional worth their salt wouldn't waste their time by even staying at that site once they hit it, and even if they did stay and look at that poll they might just say... 'figures, bunch of fanboy produca's lovin' SONAR, not much love for PT, i like that, good, stay in the bedroom where ya belong' i'm not looking to insult anyone here, its not about what i think, think about what any knowledgable experienced pros, the people making the decisions in the industry, might think when your DAW (girlfriend) wins, how she won, and where she won, peace 
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 07:30:44
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☄ Helpfulby Grem 2013/11/15 08:11:03
I find it ironic for something as simple as a "popularity contest" that it can incite folks into throwing rocks. I think the comments on that web site are pretty accurate regarding X3. The more unbiased the comment, the more weight it carries. My concern is more simple... which is that music is universal, and should be available to everyone. Getting ideas down and put together is really the purpose of a DAW, not to be a "serious music professional worth their salt." That statement seriously separates the demographics into "music for us" and "music for the masses." To put that in perspective, I classify myself as an "avid hobbyist," but probably more so that the average hobbyist. I have never used PT, so cannot speak to it... and since my "gf" treats me right, why seek another??  An interesting "test" of any software is to let a total novice take a shot at it and play with the GUI. I have a lot of musician friends who have never used any DAW at all, so every once in a while I will let them plop down in front of X3 and let them left click here, right click there, etc. and ask them if it "makes sense," or ask "what are you looking at?" and "what do you want to do with that?" A few of them liked so much that they went on to buy if for themselves; and since I was the one that introduced them to it, I take the time to help them to learn... so helps to build the community that SONAR already is (which is a pretty strong one).
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 08:21:45
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So as I understand it, if Sonar wins we're not cool anymore? Pro Tools users are too cool to vote so they lose the contest but win the coolness award. :$
I cannot wait for this to happen.. this will directly infer that once upon a time, somewhere, somehow, I actually WAS cool! :D
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 08:55:59
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So as I understand it, if Sonar wins we're not cool anymore? Pro Tools users are too cool to vote so they lose the contest but win the coolness award. :$
If this is in response to my comment, you can twist it any way you want - but that is NOT what I meant! This has nothing to do with coolness... You cannot dispute the fact that most working studio's (ie: studio's that run as a full time business, not a hobby and not enthusiasts) use Pro Tools, LOGIC or Digital Performer. I am NOT SAYING ALL, I'm saying most. These studio's and the people that work them simply do not care about popularity contests with DAW's - that's all I'm saying! Hey - I use Sonar, and I use another "smaller" DAW I will not name. I'm not an advocate for the big three I just mentioned, I'm just trying to put this into perspective... "you need to understand the demographics..." If 2000 hobbyists and enthusiasts say that Reaper or FL is a more popular DAW that Pro Tools, that really needs to be taken with a grain of salt ...
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 12:40:11
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Don't get me wrong...I voted cos I really like Sonar. It's my favourite and it's the main one I use. Also have PT10 and Reaper.
But please, when competing at the top with FL it's not a very good sign. It misleads a lot of people into thinking Sonar is not pro.
Sonar deserves to be compared with the best.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 12:44:11
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I don't think pro tools is the standard anymore.
pro tools filled their daws in class rooms to teach a lot of student thus making it a standard and the most known to new users in the field.
as far as general studios go now, there are so many different daws being used, because pro tools is HD also had a big factor in it as well.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 20:51:31
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To those that are pointing out Pro Tools being so far down in the popularity contest, I think you need to understand the demographics. I know a lot of Pro Tools users, and not one of them would take a moment out of their day to respond to a poll like this - especially when it is just a ploy to add you to their email list.
Just sayin ...
Thats funny, I wonder why I did not need to give my email in order to vote. That may be a feature they added during the course of the poll as it became popular. I did not give them my email and I was still able to vote anyway. hmmm wonder what I am missing here.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 22:14:32
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X3 is leading the pack in many more ways than this poll. Very solid and a pleasure to use.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/15 23:24:12
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Hey groovey etc... So bring it on sonar, when I was in studios this sort of thing cost a million quid... Really it did. And occasionally I relive it... Cause for no complaints...
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 08:12:29
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I did vote, but the results are to be take with a pinch of salt. I mean, had I not read this thread, I would not have known about the survey at all. Hence, there will be thousands of other DAW users who do not know about it.
What we need is sales data from all DAW producers to get a snapshot of user figures. Even then, there could be more sales of a not so good product compared to sales of the best. Maybe I can get a Mintel Report.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 08:36:43
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To those that are pointing out Pro Tools being so far down in the popularity contest, I think you need to understand the demographics. I know a lot of Pro Tools users, and not one of them would take a moment out of their day to respond to a poll like this - especially when it is just a ploy to add you to their email list.
Just sayin ...
Thats funny, I wonder why I did not need to give my email in order to vote. That may be a feature they added during the course of the poll as it became popular. I did not give them my email and I was still able to vote anyway. hmmm wonder what I am missing here.
I corrected my initial post. When I first visited the poll I kept getting a pop up that was begging for my email address. I never filled it in, and "assumed" (always a bad mistake) that was the unlock for voting. Later when I went to their home page I saw that you could vote without providing an email. My mistake...
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 08:49:03
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Let's face it, all of the major DAWs are utterly fantastic tools that are far more capable than what was available in 'the old days". I'd bet that in most cases 'best' is merely a matter of familiarity. Meanwhile back at the studio...
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 09:11:43
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These polls are nothing more than an indication of which product's supporters get the word out best to their fellow users and which boards are best at stuffing the ballot box. Also the target audience for the publication doing the poll has an influence on the outcome as well.
Run this same poll in Tape Op or Sound on Sound vs say Future Music and you will probably get wildly different results.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 10:03:08
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Beginners or returners looking for their first/new daw might check these "best daw" polls to save time and decide which product to try first. I don't think many people will try as many as 10-15 daws. So the results of these polls are actually important, I think.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
2013/11/16 21:51:49
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Beginners or returners looking for their first/new daw might check these "best daw" polls to save time and decide which product to try first. I don't think many people will try as many as 10-15 daws. So the results of these polls are actually important, I think.
exactly right. What these polls are more then anything else is marketing. When musicians search for their first DAW things like this come up in the search engine. When I do research for products I look at reviews, forums, and polls. This translates into more sales for DAWS at the top for first time users. Actually there really is no best DAW. There is what you like and what you don't like. I used and owned Pro Tools, and Cubase, I have been in situations where Logic was used too. All these tools are good. Sonar seems to fit my needs and I like the work flow better. But that is just my opinion. That does not mean that Sonar is better than anything else. It just means that it is the tool set I personally prefer to use. Other people prefer different DAWS for different reasons. I voted to give Sonar an edge because I hope that this poll will influence someone that is searching for their first DAW. This will translate into more revenue for cakewalk and serve to further Sonars development.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
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To those that are pointing out Pro Tools being so far down in the popularity contest, I think you need to understand the demographics. I know a lot of Pro Tools users, and not one of them would take a moment out of their day to respond to a poll like this - especially when it is just a ploy to add you to their email list.
Just sayin ...
Thats funny, I wonder why I did not need to give my email in order to vote. That may be a feature they added during the course of the poll as it became popular. I did not give them my email and I was still able to vote anyway. hmmm wonder what I am missing here.
I corrected my initial post. When I first visited the poll I kept getting a pop up that was begging for my email address. I never filled it in, and "assumed" (always a bad mistake) that was the unlock for voting. Later when I went to their home page I saw that you could vote without providing an email.
My mistake...
No worries. I thought the website might have changed something during the course of the poll. They added DAWS during the course of the poll. Those applications did not get as much exposure as the original DAWS in the poll. For a second I thought they changed something.
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Re: X3 is leading the PACK!!!
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DAWs have become religions. Interesting that the top two are not cross platform. The ones on the bottom are proprietary. Also FL and X3 are authorization friendly.
After working with other DAWs, some cater more to certain genres. Comparing some of them is like apples and oranges. Usually FL Studio wins because the demo is easily accessible. It has lifetime updates and their top package is the most affordable. That product is downloaded about 20,000 times a day.
In the 90's Logic was popular and the made the big mistake of going Mac only.
Reason took a dive when they added the proprietary dongle. They've changed their authorization.
No matter how good Cubase is, I don't want another dongle.
As for the bigger DAWs, X3 PE is a better value. For me to upgrade Live 8 to Live 9 Suite is $400. Every thing in that is proprietary. Live IMO is the most over priced DAW out there. Cakewalk goes far to keep it's users. X1 was going to be my last version since I don't use it a lot. But no....they had to have an upgrade sale and a $20 off code to where I can't refuse. $79 for X2PE upgrade. Only Image Line can beat that with their free upgrades. I also prefer to give my money to developers who have the "I trust you" attitude to end users.
Popular DAW doesn't really mean anything. To a developer the most important thing is sales. Yet we get this religious attitude towards DAWs.
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