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X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
Hi all X3 has been an absolute dream to work with and I am getting some fantastic results really quickly I have done a few EXPORTs to MP3 using "Aaron's Sonar Mp3 Patch" (the options automatically appeared in my EXPORT --> AUDIO options so I assume it has picked this up from my X2 settings) but when I export in X3 I have noticed that there is a "click" at the start of the exported file, which is not present in the X3 project - I always have a few measures of silence at the start of my tracks This used to happen on X2 if I had used a delay effect but I discovered that if I closed X2 and reopened it the file would export without the click if I exported before playing the track through Unfortunately this workaround did not work on X3 Has anyone else experienced this? Is there another (free?) MP3 export option/codec I can try, which gives MP3 quality options? Thanks
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Boydie
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 15:39:02
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Quick Update...
I am getting exactly the same issue with a normal export to WAV so I am thinking the issue I with X3 (or the setup) rather than the MP3 encoder
I have tried increasing the buffers and a range of different options in the export dialogue
It does appear that during the END of the export process there is a "pop" - and it sounds like this is the same "pop" that is being "printed" at the START of the exported WAV & MP3 file!?!?!
As I said previously, I experienced this in X2 but could "work around" by closing & re-opening (I read somewhere about clearing buffers?)
However, in X3 this trick is making no difference at all
Any ideas?
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 15:58:51
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...perhaps "fx trails" in preferences should be turned off?
I get those too and this topic reminded me I need to take some action...
it's not a terrible difficulty to edit out ...but...
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 16:04:49
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I suggest you start buy re-importing the file(s) to SONAR, and verifying the pops are actually "printed" to the file by zooming the waveform drawing. My guess is that pops are not in the file, and it's your soundcard and/or whatever media player you're using to play back the files that's generating a pop in real time.
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 16:29:32
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Thanks BRUNDLEFLY
I have looked at the actually waveform and confirm that the "POP" is printed to the file
I actually saw the pop before I heard it after uploading my first exported to track to SOUNDCLOUD
I saw the "pop" on the waveform and then heard it when playing the file back
I have also imported the MP3 and WAV file back in to a fresh SONAR project and can clearly see the "pop" on the waveform
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 16:35:59
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I have that on occasion using X1 Producer. To solve it, I make sure that I have a Volume envelope on the Master Bus that starts out as complete silence at the beginning of the song. Then of course it gets set to wherever I want it just a split second before the music starts. Still, however, every once in a while I have to render the wave a second time.
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 16:54:46
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On re-reading, it does sound like this has to do with part of an FX tail remaining in the audio buffer. It's been a long time since I've had any problems with that, myself. You might try changing the state of "Always stream audio through FX" in preferences since that implementation has changed with X3. You might also want to ensure that you're selecting a long enough period of time at the end of the project for FX tails to play out completely on export. if that doesn't get it, I'd look for a specific FX that might be causing the problem.
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 17:51:06
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Thanks for the suggestions I have tried them all but still the same 
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 17:56:43
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If it's not fx tails then I don't know. Would be interesting to hear what solves it tho
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 19:38:12
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Try reproducing it with the X3 demo project with all the tracks unfrozen. That should rule out anything project-specific as I get a clean export of that, both as wave and using the Cakewalk-licensed MP3 encoder.
I have to wonder if that "Aaron's Sonar Mp3 Patch" is getting its hooks into the process even when exporting to Wave. It's a long shot, but you might try uninstalling it just to be sure.
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/24 22:10:00
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Any chance of a low frequency component somehow being embedded into the file or a DC signal? Those can cause pops. Probably a super-longshot on a mixed-in-the-box track unless some faulty/noisy hardware was recorded as part of the mix.
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/26 13:45:45
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if that doesn't get it, I'd look for a specific FX that might be causing the problem I followed this advice BRUNDLEFLY and it appears to be related to GUITAR RIG 5, specifically the "heavier" patches I have left plenty of space at the end of the track to let tails etc. die off So why would a GUITAR RIG 5 patch put a "pop" at the start of the exported track (a section way before the clip appears in the actual track)? (there are no "pops" in the original track when played in Sonar X3) I think we are getting close and thank you for all of the help so far!
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/26 19:27:26
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I can try to replicate it with GR4, assuming GR5 is not VST3...? If it's reproducible, the Bakers can look into it. Any particular patch I should try that might be found in GR4?
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/27 10:54:28
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Thanks BRUNDLEFLY
The patch I am using that gives this issue is: "Billy Single Grange" (based on the "gratifier")
Further experiments have shown that if I export a single track with GR on it I get the pop
If I disable the FX (including GR) then there is no pop
If I "FREEZE" Guitar Rig and then do the export to WAV I do not get the pop
What does SONAR do differently to export a WAV compared to freezing a synth/plug in?
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Re: X3: "Click" at the start of exported Files (WAVs & MP3s)?
2013/10/27 16:05:20
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**Update**
At the end of the "mixing down audio" during the export of just the "dirty guitar" track, not only do hear a "pop" but the MASTER bus meters jump at the same time
Interestingly, the meters on the guitar track itself, and the guitar bus it goes to, do not jump - it is ONLY the MASTER bus!?!?!
Does this help indicate the issue?
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