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X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ? Resolved in X3E but...
After update from X3C to X3D I was very suprised that when I copy a vocal clip with Melodyne as RegionFX all my edits don't copy with it. Is it a bug of X3D and what can I do ? Reinstall to X3C and reinstall Melodyne ?
post edited by Grivanov - March 27, 14 9:50 PM
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
December 30, 13 7:45 AM
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bump!
I have not used Melodyne much as a region FX, but wanted to bump this up to see if others are seeing this. Melodyne released an update a while ago, I am not sure if you have installed that update as well.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
December 30, 13 7:59 AM
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Hmmm, I bumped this and it went no where. Trying again.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
December 30, 13 8:13 AM
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Melodyne as a RFX is the VERY VERY useful thing. Especially when you do Stars of the bad singers :-) This is much faster and more efficiently than the old way. About my Melodyne... it's up to date. I have Melodyne Editor 2.1.2 (b2) 64bit. Maybe I made a mistake when installing update I install Melodyne which was contained in the update ?
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
December 30, 13 8:20 AM
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I seem to recall seeing topics of this nature but not used Melodyne enough recently to see myself. A recent thread had another solution and it seems that one general option for a track with Melodyne is by bouncing rather than copy/paste. Have you tried that?
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
December 30, 13 8:40 AM
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Of course I did so before, but this is less a fast and efficient way. In X3C I edited vocal clips with Melodyne RFX of first Chorus and then copyed them to next choruses...in the following chorus I could do with slight variations already edit notes.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 02, 14 9:05 PM
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03.01.2014 2:38, Celemony support / Tom Bratka пишет: Dear Eugene,
to find out if you installed another version of Melodyne than the one you already used before the update you can simply go to the "Help" menu in Melodyne's main menu and check the serial number which is shown here. It should be:
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Yes. Serial number is the same like here.
If that is the case, the error with the copy of the vocal track is most likely a new issue, that was caused by the update of Sonar.
Yes. As I expected - it's a new issue of X3D update :-(((((
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 02, 14 9:31 PM
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 03, 14 9:31 AM
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 03, 14 9:46 AM
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 03, 14 11:12 AM
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If I may be so bold, I think I can contribute a couple of useful things to this discussion: 1) Celemony only makes one Melodyne installer and, in theory, it's the same one that's included in the Sonar X3d update. It's the specific authorization process (and serial number, I suspect) that decides which version is activated (Essential, Editor, whatever). I read this recently in some Melodyne documentation. 2) Anytime you make changes to a track/clip with Melodyne, V-Vocal, or AudioSnap, bounce the track before doing any other timing/pitch corrections/modifications. For some reason, doing any other adjustments with another one of these three tools just isn't working well right now. Bouncing in between, although it's time-consuming, does work. I hope that helps keep you from getting bogged down while the programmers are working their magic. [EDITED for clarity]
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 03, 14 11:55 PM
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Dear, rontarrant I have only one thing to discuss: I had a very very good and important thing for me in X3C, which I do not have in X3D. I know all about your paragraph 1 and 2. :-(
Alex, this message I received 26.12.2013
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 07, 14 11:50 PM
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So just finished the Groove3 tutorial for Melodyne so I figured I'd get around to this... STEPS1) Create audio track. 2) Add audio, grab a vocal track from somewhere (say). 3) Create RegionFX -> Melodyne 4) Treat all the clips in Melodyne (use the macro). 5) Create new audio track 6) CTRL + SHIFT + Drag clips to a new audio track. EXPECTEDTwo identical Region FX Cloned Tracks, if you play back SOLO'd there will be no phasing. ACTUALTwo Region FX Tracks without the Melodyne Edits you made in (4), phasing like the moon. WORKAROUNDClone track. So I can reproduce this ( CWBRN-23145) Cheers...
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 1:40 AM
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Alex, you are the Best !!!
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 1:44 AM
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I'll let you know if Cake confirms this. Cheers Eugene... :)
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 2:11 AM
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This sounds like an problem with the ARA integration rather than Melodyne itself. I've experienced some serious ARA related problems which I've bugged up, mainly related to moving Melodyne clips around. In one case I completely lost the audio in a clip when I moved it.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 2:23 AM
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Yes exactly. Bet its the same with vvocal but haven't tested...
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 10:27 AM
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus January 08, 14 1:29 PM
The manual lists these:
Region FX clip restrictions
The following editing functions are disabled for Region FX clips:
• Clip automation.
• Copy/paste for a time selection that contains a Region FX.
• Split clip.
• Slip-stretch clip when the Follow Host Tempo option is enabled.
• Groove Clip looping.
• AudioSnap.
I wonder if the 2nd item prohibits copying exactly a region.
For the similar clone issue, Melodyne misbehaves, but not V-Vocal.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 11:10 AM
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bvideo
The manual lists these:
Region FX clip restrictions
The following editing functions are disabled for Region FX clips:
• Clip automation.
• Copy/paste for a time selection that contains a Region FX.
• Split clip.
• Slip-stretch clip when the Follow Host Tempo option is enabled.
• Groove Clip looping.
• AudioSnap.
I wonder if the 2nd item prohibits copying exactly a region.
I guess so. It does say "disabled for Region FX Clips", and copying a Region FX Clip is "a time selection that includes a Region FX".
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 12:04 AM
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CWBRN-23145 now confirmed by Cakewalk.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 08, 14 8:23 PM
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We won! Thank you, Alex !!!
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 09, 14 4:27 AM
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Pretty sure I have also copied Melodyned clips, like backing vocals for a chorus. It worked fine but I don't think I've tried in X3d yet. That's super annoying if that broke. And I don't get why they list copy/paste of a clip with region fx on it as unsupported when it was working before.
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 09, 14 11:45 PM
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Do not rush to install X3D, it's not the only surprise... I'm very waiting for X3E as soon as possible or I will uninstall X3D and install X3C. :-(((
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
January 10, 14 6:38 PM
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I had a very very good and important thing for me in X3C, which I do not have in X3D. That's the story of my life with X3duh
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
March 19, 14 4:39 AM
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Seems like CWBRN-23145 is fixed (I got notified) in X3E although I haven't tested it myself.
Eugene is #13 now working for you in X3E?
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
March 27, 14 9:48 PM
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Yes, but only under certain conditions... :-) You Must use Copy !!! Yes... NOT Copy Special !!! Only COPY
And it will be O'k now. :-) Maybe - it's ridiculous, but I first had not had very funny. :-(
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
March 27, 14 9:55 PM
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What options under copy special were not working? Thanks...
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Re: X3D and Melodyne as a RegionFX ... don,t copy edited notes... bug ?
March 28, 14 1:19 AM
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Alex, it's seems to me that it's a little bug, but, as I said earler, only command COPY works fine. If you use Copy Special command it's nothing matter what you check in dialog box... when you past copied clip (Past or Past Special) you have no your Melodine edits in it. But when you use COPY command and then Past or Paste Special it's O'k. That all :-)
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